When Do Lines Become Your Own

[BIG TOM 835]

 

 

 

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

. You yanks are the worst in the world for it Some one gets a terrier sent over next thing you know there breeding them and it SHANNON DOOR DOOMSDAY OUT of. ROOTINTOOTIN BARNDOORGIRL lines lol. FOOKING american patterdale my arse

stop beating about the bush

I just think he doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings and is being polite haha

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Hunt foooooooooookning terriers was good enough for them back in the day! What with all the tags. Some one had a good terrier hes bred, the word got round. Its a terrier end of, i like B'nT leggy ones and Black leggy ones. Box head and thats it.

The vicar asked me are they Patterdales? "No such thing Vicar". Now would i lie to a holy man? "Fell types Vicar". Or was he a priest? Same thing eh...!!! lol

Edited October 20, 2013 by Bosun11

[paulus 26]

Hunt foooooooooookning. Terriers. Was good. Enough for them. Back in the day. What with alll the taggs. Some one had a good terrier hes bred the word got round. Its a terrier end of i like bnt leggy ones. And black leggy ones. Box head and thats it. The vicar asked me are they patterdales no such thing vicar now would i lie to a holy man. Felly types vicar. Or was he a priest. Same thng eh lol

maybe he had a habit

[jawn 449]

 

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

. You yanks are the worst in the world for it Some one gets a terrier sent over next thing you know there breeding them and it SHANNON DOOR DOOMSDAY OUT of. ROOTINTOOTIN BARNDOORGIRL lines lol. FOOKING american patterdale my arse

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only answer for one Yank Chief....and I couldn't care less who breeds what, or why. Seems to me there's PLENTY of junk being bred, and peddled everywhere... your side of the pond included.

 

I'll say this.... I know of a few guys who have been breeding "patterdale" types for the type of earthwork they do in the areas where they do it for multiple generations and decades for that matter. I haven't heard a single one of them trying to take all the credit for the dogs they work.... I haven't seen or heard of them peddling pups off of anyone's name, their own included to make a few bucks or a name for themselves.

 

They do what they do for the love of it not the recognition. I'm not sure what made you feel the need to hop up on that soap box and start flapping your gums about "you yanks"..... when you don't need to look near that far to see untested sht dogs being bred. Now run along and practice making sense..... and work on your manners while your at it. Thanks.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

. You yanks are the worst in the world for it Some one gets a terrier sent over next thing you know there breeding them and it SHANNON DOOR DOOMSDAY OUT of. ROOTINTOOTIN BARNDOORGIRL lines lol. FOOKING american patterdale my arse

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only answer for one Yank Chief....and I couldn't care less who breeds what, or why. Seems to me there's PLENTY of junk being bred, and peddled everywhere... your side of the pond included.

 

I'll say this.... I know of a few guys who have been breeding "patterdale" types for the type of earthwork they do in the areas where they do it for multiple generations and decades for that matter. I haven't heard a single one of them trying to take all the credit for the dogs they work.... I haven't seen or heard of them peddling pups off of anyone's name, their own included to make a few bucks or a name for themselves.

 

They do what they do for the love of it not the recognition. I'm not sure what made you feel the need to hop up on that soap box and start flapping your gums about "you yanks"..... when you don't need to look near that far to see untested sht dogs being bred. Now run along and practice making sense..... and work on your manners while your at it. Thanks.

 

we have a saying over here sunshine IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT , YA ALL

Edited October 20, 2013 by gonetoearth

[jawn 449]

 

 

 

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

. You yanks are the worst in the world for it Some one gets a terrier sent over next thing you know there breeding them and it SHANNON DOOR DOOMSDAY OUT of. ROOTINTOOTIN BARNDOORGIRL lines lol. FOOKING american patterdale my arse

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only answer for one Yank Chief....and I couldn't care less who breeds what, or why. Seems to me there's PLENTY of junk being bred, and peddled everywhere... your side of the pond included.

 

I'll say this.... I know of a few guys who have been breeding "patterdale" types for the type of earthwork they do in the areas where they do it for multiple generations and decades for that matter. I haven't heard a single one of them trying to take all the credit for the dogs they work.... I haven't seen or heard of them peddling pups off of anyone's name, their own included to make a few bucks or a name for themselves.

 

They do what they do for the love of it not the recognition. I'm not sure what made you feel the need to hop up on that soap box and start flapping your gums about "you yanks"..... when you don't need to look near that far to see untested sht dogs being bred. Now run along and practice making sense..... and work on your manners while your at it. Thanks.

 

we have a saying over here sunshine IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT , YA ALL

 

 

Duly noted.... I'll see if I can remember that cleaver bit of wisdom.lol

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

 

It depends on what kind of recognition you are after....If it is validation from others, then it's like Bosun says. When people point to a dog you produced in the ped before any others you are off to a good, or possibly bad start.

 

If it's a personal standard you've set fourth... Then I suppose it all comes down to your own expectations.

 

I've seen serious dedicated dog men with over thirty years of breeding a particular type of dog, based on a basic formula of a three way cross that successfully and predictably resulted in a unique type of working terrier regarded as not having their own line. The funny thing is....most of them couldn't care less if they EVER sold a dog.

 

When the dogs produced are,(for better or worse) routinely distinguishable from the lines that produced them....you have your own line in my opinion.

. You yanks are the worst in the world for it Some one gets a terrier sent over next thing you know there breeding them and it SHANNON DOOR DOOMSDAY OUT of. ROOTINTOOTIN BARNDOORGIRL lines lol. FOOKING american patterdale my arse

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only answer for one Yank Chief....and I couldn't care less who breeds what, or why. Seems to me there's PLENTY of junk being bred, and peddled everywhere... your side of the pond included.

 

I'll say this.... I know of a few guys who have been breeding "patterdale" types for the type of earthwork they do in the areas where they do it for multiple generations and decades for that matter. I haven't heard a single one of them trying to take all the credit for the dogs they work.... I haven't seen or heard of them peddling pups off of anyone's name, their own included to make a few bucks or a name for themselves.

 

They do what they do for the love of it not the recognition. I'm not sure what made you feel the need to hop up on that soap box and start flapping your gums about "you yanks"..... when you don't need to look near that far to see untested sht dogs being bred. Now run along and practice making sense..... and work on your manners while your at it. Thanks.

 

we have a saying over here sunshine IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT , YA ALL

 

 

Duly noted.... I'll see if I can remember that cleaver bit of wisdom.lol

 

OH and for the record I know several men and a couple of women over the briny who work terriers who I think very highly of

[jawn 449]

That's great news..... We'll all sleep better knowing you approve of "several men and a couple of women over the briny."

 

The topic must have been a struggle for you?

[gonetoearth 5,144]

That's great news..... We'll all sleep better knowing you approve of "several men and a couple of women over the briny."

 

The topic must have been a struggle for you?

struggle lol its the tinter net sunshine bit like Obama full of shite

[jawn 449]

You get no argument from me there brother.

[Corkman 944]

Lines become yours only when, you have bred for the best, either for work or looks (it don't matter) and they are so good that the world wants one. It matters not where your gear came from, or who bred it first.

You then sell 'em for exorbitant sums of money to as many folks as you can, breeding the arse out of your bitches for coin. Those folks who have got one, then tell more and more using your name before any other in the 'pedigree' of these dogs and the newcomers don't know anything else, so they 'only' use your name. They are selling too and some making more off your name than you but a wave of water bearing your name is washing up the country, everyone is getting washed up in it, everyone wants the new name in dogs. Story's of how you created these wonder dogs abound and you turn into some sort of quasi super hero and Internet hunting sites can't get enough of your name..!!

History, in the breeding of dogs, is a fickle thing.

Now good or bad (and by this time its going bad), these dogs that carry your name are being peddled far and wide, even overseas, some of them are breeding far more than you and they still have your name, they look little like your original gear, work less like 'em too, what can you do, because the knockers are here now, driven by jealousy in the first instance, saturation in the second. Your still making money but now finding it difficult to raise your head as the abuse comes fast. Shows are a no-go, hunting media worse! Your circle of friends is not the one you started out with, your dogs are not as they were. Everyone wants a piece of you good or bad.... How thick is your skin...?

 

Putting YOUR name to a dog, line, type, breed..... No fecking thank you..!!!

Well worded and clever insight Bosun11. We are only "polishing" what we inherited from the man before us........ that goes for the "big" names too. If working bred pups were not for sale I wonder would names be so prominent?