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[jacknife 2,005]

Its nice to see you can still talk about this matter on this forum unlike PW.................Where a certain couple of Teals arse licking lackeys delete posts

[Brewman 1,192]

Its nice to see you can still talk about this matter on this forum unlike PW.................Where a certain couple of Teals arse licking lackeys delete posts

 

I think I know which way this is going to go.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

 

 

Apologies for the delay in the reply. Duty calls, unfortunately!

 

As I said in the post, not being c**ts to each other is just for starters. It's the alpha, not the omega but if we truly didn't covet our neighbours wife, car, telly, etc, to the point where we're seeing how much of his shit we could take we would truly be on the road to a community once more.

 

My strategy was checking up on the older folks that lived near me. Checking to make sure they had heat, power, and that someone hadn't stolen their gear. Doing a few odd jobs around the house, and making sure that they didn't live like we're in the third world. My wife would cook so that the war veterans had a decent meal once a day because Brown and co think it's a great idea to take whatever money we had saved for a rainy day, and drop it into some other bullshit social program. You know. The usual taken for granted stuff that people in communities do. I'm not perfect, but if we all checked in our neighbours a couple of times a week would that help us address the balance? Love thy neighbour? At least be corteous and don't piss him off? I found that if I couldn't help my neighbour, I could at least do things that wouldn't get on his tits. Is that community?

 

I moved away through choice. Salford can burn for all I care. I got out of there, lived around Manchester for a few years and now I work abroad coming home whenever I have the time. My neighbours either died or moved on to other places. To be replaced by people in the system who have no time for neighbours, and community. They stole my gear. Vandalised the rest. It was time to move on. I don't reminisce about the good old days. I miss some of my friends but the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Basically living in the same environment, going to the same job, and expecting improvement. It wasn't working.

 

Likewise with me. I'm in no position to tell youngsters how to do things. Not that they'd take a blind bit of notice anyway. My duty was/is to my kids. I could not, with my hand on my heart, tell them to do things that I ignored as a kid. I can only lead by example. So I work hard and I moved away. I agree with what you're saying about values but how do you show kids the value of working a 50+ hour week, with hard graft, when they can see a local drug dealer making 3 times what I'm doing by never leaving his house and having a kip in the afternoon? No amount of Jonesy family values can stop kids coveting thy neighbours 60" LED flat screen, XBox, and shoe boxes full of cash. Especially when I'm trying to figure out whether we have gas or electricity this month.

 

Politics. All lying cheating b*****ds. All of them. I have no faith in a party. An individual, or their cause. Their crimes, over the last few decades, have worn a callus of cynicism so thick that I would have a hard time seeing how the status quo could be changed to benefit you and I. I just don't believe it. I do, however, believe that a democracy is the best form of government we can hope to have. I feel only that it could be changed if enough disgruntled voters could be bothered to engage in the process. The last 20 years of statistics says that isn't happening any time soon. Can it be fixed? I sure as hell don't know but what is the alternative?

 

I don't sincerely believe that UKIP can change the direction of the machine, but I do believe that a vote for them is a little better than the spoiled ballot that I would normally cast. I'm not voting in desperation, I'm voting in the hope that it could change a few attitudes, in Westminster, when it threatens their jobs and their livelihood. I see it as a protest vote, and nothing more. They could perceivably change things but we know nothing of them other than the rhetoric? They could crusade to change Britain, or they could simply slot straight in and do absolutely f**k all. Like the current offerings.

 

I agree that a miraculous saviour isn't coming. The fix we need may not even come in our grandkids lifetime.Your earthquake analogy is spot on but in this context maybe the flooding argument is closer to home. Why save the people that pay your wages when you can fund India's space program?

 

Like you I still have a little faith in my fellow man. Probably less than you, if I'm honest. Again I try to lead by example but that doesn't work in council estate setting. Maybe too many burglaries, thefts, muggings, and vandalism has ruined it for me completely. I can't change the world but if I can influence my boys, into taking the right path, then it's my lifetime achievement.

 

That's the only way I can see us changing things from within. We start at home. We lay the foundations, and build the structure. If we're right it will weather the storm.

 

 

Cracking post chief.....cant say much more really....only thing that caught my eye was what you say about not being able to influence kids off the estate,i disagree............not all of them of course no.....im of the opinion that natures throws up imperfections and as romantic as the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " theory comes into play in humans personally i think its a load of ol bollocks !!.....anything born of nature has the capability to be bad,we can supress it all we like but its still there and will come out at some stage......so people of that category are a right off i dont have an answer for them....but most people are just not like that.....90% of kids on the estates are open to whats right and wrong.....what decision/direction they take well thats not easy,but they are not beyond help like the 10% who are just born bad.

Ive had young men walk through the door of my gym that didnt know their arse from their elbow,had plenty of attitude about them,didnt want to be told anything etc etc.....who while they were in the gym worked hard and applied themself in the correct way....if they can do that in pursuit of sport/fitness they can do that in other areas of life.....again im no Mother Theresa i dont know how to make a scrappy young kid into a good and respectful adult......but i do know we can all help the generation behind us just as you have described helping the generation in front us.......when kids have good authentic role models who stand before them they cant fail to have something good rub off on them.....over time good attracts good which attracts good and so on.............i think sometimes its easy to forget where you came from i was that scrappy little kid with an attitude myself once i wouldnt be being true to myself if i pretended i couldnt see it just because i moved off the manor......anyway appreciate your thoughts very interesting

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I moved away through choice. Salford can burn for all I care. I got out of there, lived around Manchester for a few years and now I work abroad coming home whenever I have the time. My neighbours either died or moved on to other places. To be replaced by people in the system who have no time for neighbours, and community. They stole my gear. Vandalised the rest. It was time to move on. I don't reminisce about the good old days. I miss some of my friends but the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Basically living in the same environment, going to the same job, and expecting improvement. It wasn't working.

 

Likewise with me. I'm in no position to tell youngsters how to do things. Not that they'd take a blind bit of notice anyway. My duty was/is to my kids. I could not, with my hand on my heart, tell them to do things that I ignored as a kid. I can only lead by example. So I work hard and I moved away. I agree with what you're saying about values but how do you show kids the value of working a 50+ hour week, with hard graft, when they can see a local drug dealer making 3 times what I'm doing by never leaving his house and having a kip in the afternoon? No amount of Jonesy family values can stop kids coveting thy neighbours 60" LED flat screen, XBox, and shoe boxes full of cash. Especially when I'm trying to figure out whether we have gas or electricity this month.

 

Salford is certainly an odd place Chris, the fighting gypsy of the tele wouldn't leave his plot without an entourage. Speaking to a head=shrink lass recently she told me Salford was the national epicentre for sociopaths in the country, I didn't doubt her...and I've tramped every borough of Gm since I was ten, sometimes on me jacks, rather live in the Moss than Salford.

 

I don't think it's terribly difficult to swerve children covetting 60ft TV's, when I was young with too many tadpoles floating round me bollox I asked me paper reading pa could I have some weights (after just reading a Charles atlas style ad in a rag), without looking up from the paper he replied 'no problem son', i'd rang the bell, so to speak. I let a few minutes go by...eventually asking when could we go for them 'Satdhey' came the reply. It was Thursday t, what a result, I felt pissed, never again was I having sand kicked in my kite....I asked me pa what time Saturday 'give you a shout at at 10 to 6 in the morning' came the reply. Me stomach flipped over, I had a sneaky feeling this was going wrong, still...I kept me face straight and informed me pa that the shop didn't open while 9, i'd got his attention, he looked up from the paper 'shop, what shop, you can come in work with me, there's dead cows all over the gaff, throw them around for a month your be built like bastherd hercules'. I was defo'd, it must have shown on me boat cause he put the paper down and sat fwd to offer me an out (teach me a lifelong lesson regarding me wants and me needs) 'should i not give ya a shout then son, have a bit of lye in eh?'....I was nodding in agreement before he'd finished and before i'd finished nodding he hit with the punchline 'you take your time lad, compose yourself and in your own time explain to your father why you want him to go into his pocket for his money to buy you some weights you don't want'...his mincers were on me, now wa'nts the time to play the 'no understandee' card..i was in a bit of a predicament, every avenue of selfishness(on the globe) was spinning thru me mind, I was cured of a lot of lifes ills that afternoon without receiving a winger.

 

Remember Lockton Court Chris, opposite the umist manky way, me gran was in them flats, the herberts were down the landing.. took to nicking the eggs and milk from the little crate outside the door, me sis went went on the knocker to retrieve the goods and they told her if the police get involved them the flat and the occupants in it would burn. Next news some mad fucka arrived and and launched the occupant straight off the 5th floor weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee splat. the 6 six weeks holidays down there were a laff

[XBow 2]

Should be slapped with the a pound of walls pork bangers.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Cracking post chief.....cant say much more really....only thing that caught my eye was what you say about not being able to influence kids off the estate,i disagree............not all of them of course no.....im of the opinion that natures throws up imperfections and as romantic as the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " theory comes into play in humans personally i think its a load of ol bollocks !!.....anything born of nature has the capability to be bad,we can supress it all we like but its still there and will come out at some stage......so people of that category are a right off i dont have an answer for them....but most people are just not like that.....90% of kids on the estates are open to whats right and wrong.....what decision/direction they take well thats not easy,but they are not beyond help like the 10% who are just born bad.

Ive had young men walk through the door of my gym that didnt know their arse from their elbow,had plenty of attitude about them,didnt want to be told anything etc etc.....who while they were in the gym worked hard and applied themself in the correct way....if they can do that in pursuit of sport/fitness they can do that in other areas of life.....again im no Mother Theresa i dont know how to make a scrappy young kid into a good and respectful adult......but i do know we can all help the generation behind us just as you have described helping the generation in front us.......when kids have good authentic role models who stand before them they cant fail to have something good rub off on them.....over time good attracts good which attracts good and so on.............i think sometimes its easy to forget where you came from i was that scrappy little kid with an attitude myself once i wouldnt be being true to myself if i pretended i couldnt see it just because i moved off the manor......anyway appreciate your thoughts very interesting

 

 

I concede the point about influence. Maybe it's possible but it's certainly beyond my remit. I applaud anyone that can but it's honestly beyond me. Maybe too much of the negative exposure. Maybe more to do with playing Papa Bear, for my three, and wanting to deal with my family first and foremost. Maybe a bit of both.

 

I had to do it the harder way. I grafted my way out. Not trying to claim special status, or anything, as I know many do but my fault is that I measure myself by my dad's work ethic and I have a hard time with people who won't do it for themselves. I stress won't as opposed to can't. I'll help where I can but I was honestly done with what kept coming at me!

 

Thanks for reading, anyway!

 

Salford is certainly an odd place Chris, the fighting gypsy of the tele wouldn't leave his plot without an entourage. Speaking to a head=shrink lass recently she told me Salford was the national epicentre for sociopaths in the country, I didn't doubt her...and I've tramped every borough of Gm since I was ten, sometimes on me jacks, rather live in the Moss than Salford.

 

I don't think it's terribly difficult to swerve children covetting 60ft TV's, when I was young with too many tadpoles floating round me bollox I asked me paper reading pa could I have some weights (after just reading a Charles atlas style ad in a rag), without looking up from the paper he replied 'no problem son', i'd rang the bell, so to speak. I let a few minutes go by...eventually asking when could we go for them 'Satdhey' came the reply. It was Thursday t, what a result, I felt pissed, never again was I having sand kicked in my kite....I asked me pa what time Saturday 'give you a shout at at 10 to 6 in the morning' came the reply. Me stomach flipped over, I had a sneaky feeling this was going wrong, still...I kept me face straight and informed me pa that the shop didn't open while 9, i'd got his attention, he looked up from the paper 'shop, what shop, you can come in work with me, there's dead cows all over the gaff, throw them around for a month your be built like bastherd hercules'. I was defo'd, it must have shown on me boat cause he put the paper down and sat fwd to offer me an out (teach me a lifelong lesson regarding me wants and me needs) 'should i not give ya a shout then son, have a bit of lye in eh?'....I was nodding in agreement before he'd finished and before i'd finished nodding he hit with the punchline 'you take your time lad, compose yourself and in your own time explain to your father why you want him to go into his pocket for his money to buy you some weights you don't want'...his mincers were on me, now wa'nts the time to play the 'no understandee' card..i was in a bit of a predicament, every avenue of selfishness(on the globe) was spinning thru me mind, I was cured of a lot of lifes ills that afternoon without receiving a winger.

 

Remember Lockton Court Chris, opposite the umist manky way, me gran was in them flats, the herberts were down the landing.. took to nicking the eggs and milk from the little crate outside the door, me sis went went on the knocker to retrieve the goods and they told her if the police get involved them the flat and the occupants in it would burn. Next news some mad fucka arrived and and launched the occupant straight off the 5th floor weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee splat. the 6 six weeks holidays down there were a laff

 

If I never visit Salford again, in my lifetime, it'll be too soon! I'm not sure about it being the mecca of sociopaths but my personal experiences are enough to not disagree with your headshrinking mate!

 

Gnash must be way more advanced on the path to eternal enlightment, than I! I don't mean that as a piss take either I just can't (maybe won't) see how much good can come from it. I just see the bad, and the ugly. Poverty breeds poverty, and some of our communities are poverty personified, despite what our fearless leaders claim.

 

I have no issue helping those that can't, along with those that work, and those that served, but I'm still struggling to see the benefit in helping those that take...

[WILF 46,848]

My experience is, if anyone is considering getting out in the community and doing something I would say to them "do it"........you will be surprised how many positive people are out there when you actually take a look.

If it means getting involved with your kids school or scouts or anything, there are some truly ordinary people who are in reality legends.

 

Don't be looking to change the world in a month because its not going to happen, realise from the get go that it's baby steps......you will encounter some arseholes along the way ( par for the course of life) but ignore them and push on......you will actually discover that your not "giving" anything away as the personal reward in lifting your spirit is massive.

[mushroom 12,943]

 

 

 

 

Apologies for the delay in the reply. Duty calls, unfortunately!

 

As I said in the post, not being c**ts to each other is just for starters. It's the alpha, not the omega but if we truly didn't covet our neighbours wife, car, telly, etc, to the point where we're seeing how much of his shit we could take we would truly be on the road to a community once more.

 

My strategy was checking up on the older folks that lived near me. Checking to make sure they had heat, power, and that someone hadn't stolen their gear. Doing a few odd jobs around the house, and making sure that they didn't live like we're in the third world. My wife would cook so that the war veterans had a decent meal once a day because Brown and co think it's a great idea to take whatever money we had saved for a rainy day, and drop it into some other bullshit social program. You know. The usual taken for granted stuff that people in communities do. I'm not perfect, but if we all checked in our neighbours a couple of times a week would that help us address the balance? Love thy neighbour? At least be corteous and don't piss him off? I found that if I couldn't help my neighbour, I could at least do things that wouldn't get on his tits. Is that community?

 

I moved away through choice. Salford can burn for all I care. I got out of there, lived around Manchester for a few years and now I work abroad coming home whenever I have the time. My neighbours either died or moved on to other places. To be replaced by people in the system who have no time for neighbours, and community. They stole my gear. Vandalised the rest. It was time to move on. I don't reminisce about the good old days. I miss some of my friends but the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Basically living in the same environment, going to the same job, and expecting improvement. It wasn't working.

 

Likewise with me. I'm in no position to tell youngsters how to do things. Not that they'd take a blind bit of notice anyway. My duty was/is to my kids. I could not, with my hand on my heart, tell them to do things that I ignored as a kid. I can only lead by example. So I work hard and I moved away. I agree with what you're saying about values but how do you show kids the value of working a 50+ hour week, with hard graft, when they can see a local drug dealer making 3 times what I'm doing by never leaving his house and having a kip in the afternoon? No amount of Jonesy family values can stop kids coveting thy neighbours 60" LED flat screen, XBox, and shoe boxes full of cash. Especially when I'm trying to figure out whether we have gas or electricity this month.

 

Politics. All lying cheating b*****ds. All of them. I have no faith in a party. An individual, or their cause. Their crimes, over the last few decades, have worn a callus of cynicism so thick that I would have a hard time seeing how the status quo could be changed to benefit you and I. I just don't believe it. I do, however, believe that a democracy is the best form of government we can hope to have. I feel only that it could be changed if enough disgruntled voters could be bothered to engage in the process. The last 20 years of statistics says that isn't happening any time soon. Can it be fixed? I sure as hell don't know but what is the alternative?

 

I don't sincerely believe that UKIP can change the direction of the machine, but I do believe that a vote for them is a little better than the spoiled ballot that I would normally cast. I'm not voting in desperation, I'm voting in the hope that it could change a few attitudes, in Westminster, when it threatens their jobs and their livelihood. I see it as a protest vote, and nothing more. They could perceivably change things but we know nothing of them other than the rhetoric? They could crusade to change Britain, or they could simply slot straight in and do absolutely f**k all. Like the current offerings.

 

I agree that a miraculous saviour isn't coming. The fix we need may not even come in our grandkids lifetime.Your earthquake analogy is spot on but in this context maybe the flooding argument is closer to home. Why save the people that pay your wages when you can fund India's space program?

 

Like you I still have a little faith in my fellow man. Probably less than you, if I'm honest. Again I try to lead by example but that doesn't work in council estate setting. Maybe too many burglaries, thefts, muggings, and vandalism has ruined it for me completely. I can't change the world but if I can influence my boys, into taking the right path, then it's my lifetime achievement.

 

That's the only way I can see us changing things from within. We start at home. We lay the foundations, and build the structure. If we're right it will weather the storm.

 

 

Cracking post chief.....cant say much more really....only thing that caught my eye was what you say about not being able to influence kids off the estate,i disagree............not all of them of course no.....im of the opinion that natures throws up imperfections and as romantic as the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " theory comes into play in humans personally i think its a load of ol bollocks !!.....anything born of nature has the capability to be bad,we can supress it all we like but its still there and will come out at some stage......so people of that category are a right off i dont have an answer for them....but most people are just not like that.....90% of kids on the estates are open to whats right and wrong.....what decision/direction they take well thats not easy,but they are not beyond help like the 10% who are just born bad.

Ive had young men walk through the door of my gym that didnt know their arse from their elbow,had plenty of attitude about them,didnt want to be told anything etc etc.....who while they were in the gym worked hard and applied themself in the correct way....if they can do that in pursuit of sport/fitness they can do that in other areas of life.....again im no Mother Theresa i dont know how to make a scrappy young kid into a good and respectful adult......but i do know we can all help the generation behind us just as you have described helping the generation in front us.......when kids have good authentic role models who stand before them they cant fail to have something good rub off on them.....over time good attracts good which attracts good and so on.............i think sometimes its easy to forget where you came from i was that scrappy little kid with an attitude myself once i wouldnt be being true to myself if i pretended i couldnt see it just because i moved off the manor......anyway appreciate your thoughts very interesting

 

Fantastic posts lads