Wheaton Terriers

[chrisbullx 2,541]

Fine wheatens them atb cbx

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

Not mine , I was not into Wheatens... the lines would be names of the owners.... I don't know if they'd like them up here...

carlovian, was there any lines of wheatens that repeatedly out performed others at the trials or was there consistency with most lines?

[hard core hunting 171]

Not mine , I was not into Wheatens... the lines would be names of the owners.... I don't know if they'd like them up here...

I now the owners of the dogs would not be too happy about that Edited November 3, 2013 by hard core hunting

[Carlovian 593]

I don't understand your post ?,,,, I meant I don't think the owners of the dogs would like their names being put up here...

[fat man 4,741]

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

 

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

 

I have to disagree with you there Niel as a lurcher is a very handy tool around a dig,even more so than the gun.Both you and i have seen foxs slip out unnoticed and be out of gun shot range in no time where as a good lurcher will watch each and every bolt hole possible and will hear the slightest movement if foxy decides to make a break for freedom,many the day the lurchers saved the day for both of us,also if a farmer is present while diging to a problem fox and it escapes even if a gun is present well he aint goin to be too happy is he.I remember many years ago beating out a hill of cover and you were holding my old dog spud.When i had finished goin through the cover with terriers i asked did anything leave and you replied yes but it was a long way gone before you actually seen it but you sliped spud anyway.We then walked across 2 fields to see a herd of cattle gathered around something in the middle of the 3rd field,it was spud with the fox,what use would a gun have been in that situation,nothing wrong with lurchers around a dig as long as they are used in a proper manner.There was often days we blanked with the terriers but the lurchers provided sport,i say every man to his own.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

 

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

 

I have to disagree with you there Niel as a lurcher is a very handy tool around a dig,even more so than the gun.Both you and i have seen foxs slip out unnoticed and be out of gun shot range in no time where as a good lurcher will watch each and every bolt hole possible and will hear the slightest movement if foxy decides to make a break for freedom,many the day the lurchers saved the day for both of us,also if a farmer is present while diging to a problem fox and it escapes even if a gun is present well he aint goin to be too happy is he.I remember many years ago beating out a hill of cover and you were holding my old dog spud.When i had finished goin through the cover with terriers i asked did anything leave and you replied yes but it was a long way gone before you actually seen it but you sliped spud anyway.We then walked across 2 fields to see a herd of cattle gathered around something in the middle of the 3rd field,it was spud with the fox,what use would a gun have been in that situation,nothing wrong with lurchers around a dig as long as they are used in a proper manner.There was often days we blanked with the terriers but the lurchers provided sport,i say every man to his own.

 

good each to their own is right I prefare lurchers at a dig for that reason alone. everybody has their own ways which makes for good reading on here sometimes lol

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

 

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

 

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

I have to disagree with you there Niel as a lurcher is a very handy tool around a dig,even more so than the gun.Both you and i have seen foxs slip out unnoticed and be out of gun shot range in no time where as a good lurcher will watch each and every bolt hole possible and will hear the slightest movement if foxy decides to make a break for freedom,many the day the lurchers saved the day for both of us,also if a farmer is present while diging to a problem fox and it escapes even if a gun is present well he aint goin to be too happy is he.I remember many years ago beating out a hill of cover and you were holding my old dog spud.When i had finished goin through the cover with terriers i asked did anything leave and you replied yes but it was a long way gone before you actually seen it but you sliped spud anyway.We then walked across 2 fields to see a herd of cattle gathered around something in the middle of the 3rd field,it was spud with the fox,what use would a gun have been in that situation,nothing wrong with lurchers around a dig as long as they are used in a proper manner.There was often days we blanked with the terriers but the lurchers provided sport,i say every man to his own.

good each to their own is right I prefare lurchers at a dig for that reason alone. everybody has their own ways which makes for good reading on here sometimes lol

I don't think anyone can the dispute the fact, that a lurcher isn't handy when hunting foxes with terriers, but I think the point was about the 'trend' of using lurchers to finish a dig.....we just didn't have lurchers on digs, & foxes did slip away sometimes, but so be it, you can't get them all....

If the terrier hadn't killed & a keeper wasn't present, then quarry was released or bagged & released elsewhere, using hands.....you don't need a lurcher to finish a dig by drawing.

[neil cooney 10,416]

I can't disagree with anything you say Fatman. The end of your post says it all. "as long as they're used in a proper manner".

But in the last few year lurchers being used in an un sporting manner has done more harm to terrier work than any other aspect of terrier work.

IMO once a fox has bolted and is coursed and caught by a lurcher it is a course that resulted from a bolt, not a lurcher being used to end a dig.

When the lads who liked to work a strongdog (I used to be one) were doing so they rarely used to carry a camera or a camcorder to remember the occasion or IMO to boost their ego whereas in the last few years there's been several occasions in the media where fools have stood around a hole watching a lurcher draw and then work on top while they stood around. This is nothing to do with terrier work.

Now, when I mention using a firearm to end a dig I'm not talking about bolting a fox to guns, which is no problem IMO either, I'm talking about at the end of a dig when the terrier has been lifted and a firearm is used to dispatch the quarry. IMO in this scenario there is no chance of injury and is the proper way for a pest that's been dug to to be killed.

Such a dig , ie. digging, terrier lifted, shot taken, dead fox taken out, does not make for good television viewing because it's boring and the anti's and the ego hunters don't like it but it is without doubt the only way when the quarrys to be killed that it should be done.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

I can't disagree with anything you say Fatman. The end of your post says it all. "as long as they're used in a proper manner".

But in the last few year lurchers being used in an un sporting manner has done more harm to terrier work than any other aspect of terrier work.

IMO once a fox has bolted and is coursed and caught by a lurcher it is a course that resulted from a bolt, not a lurcher being used to end a dig.

When the lads who liked to work a strongdog (I used to be one) were doing so they rarely used to carry a camera or a camcorder to remember the occasion or IMO to boost their ego whereas in the last few years there's been several occasions in the media where fools have stood around a hole watching a lurcher draw and then work on top while they stood around. This is nothing to do with terrier work.

Now, when I mention using a firearm to end a dig I'm not talking about bolting a fox to guns, which is no problem IMO either, I'm talking about at the end of a dig when the terrier has been lifted and a firearm is used to dispatch the quarry. IMO in this scenario there is no chance of injury and is the proper way for a pest that's been dug to to be killed.

Such a dig , ie. digging, terrier lifted, shot taken, dead fox taken out, does not make for good television viewing because it's boring and the anti's and the ego hunters don't like it but it is without doubt the only way when the quarrys to be killed that it should be done.

id prefare a bolt to a dig anyday as I like to see the lurcher used for the run then catch, but theres always no matter how rough the earthwork is the fox wont bolt, and then the obvious dig takes place. evry type of hunting dog comes into its own in these different situations working like a big pack till the job is done

[fat man 4,741]

IMO its the camers's and mobile phones that should not be on a dig,not lurchers or strong dogs.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

IMO its the camers's and mobile phones that should not be on a dig,not lurchers or strong dogs.

100% correct, its the fools with the cameras that's ruining it all, and its only a matter of time before a big score is had by the antis.

[liamdelaney 2,587]

If cameras were produced years ago,you would get a kick in the hole.

[Rat face 1,655]

iv always fancied a wheaton really like the look of them, but I think dogs like them need a serious amount of work to keep them busy

[liamdelaney 2,587]

iv always fancied a wheaton really like the look of them, but I think dogs like them need a serious amount of work to keep them busy

There is no work for strong dogs anymore,its gone.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Terry Duggan was considered by many to be as good a terrierman as any.

He dug fox, otter, badger, coypu and ,I think, scottish wildcat with his terriers and the blood of his white terriers is still in many a mans yard through their fells or jack russells. He dug up to the age of , six weeks before his death.

Here's what he said in "Earth Dog - Running Dog" issue 219.

 

"Incidentally, and this isn't to brag, but if any of you lads fancy you need what the Americans call a draw dog, and you cannot finish off what your dog has done for you by getting your hands on whatever, go home and watch telly, you shouldn't be in terriers."