Wheaton Terriers

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

 

I rest my case.

Great post, absolutely no need for a strong dog or a lurcher at a dig.....I've never had either when digging......never felt I was lacking.....

 

yes that's good points again but the reason we have a lurcher or 2 at a dig is incase the fox bolts, im not afraid of handling my quarry, but the quarry has to be there to be handled, a bolting fox is not going to wait on anybody and that's where a good lurcher comes into his own. and as we all know theres ways of testing the gameness in the lurchers aswell. my post above was ment in the past growing up as teenagers when we didn't know any better.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

 

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

Great post, absolutely no need for a strong dog or a lurcher at a dig.....I've never had either when digging......never felt I was lacking.....

yes that's good points again but the reason we have a lurcher or 2 at a dig is incase the fox bolts, im not afraid of handling my quarry, but the quarry has to be there to be handled, a bolting fox is not going to wait on anybody and that's where a good lurcher comes into his own. and as we all know theres ways of testing the gameness in the lurchers aswell. my post above was ment in the past growing up as teenagers when we didn't know any better.

Yes of course, I was only referring to lurchers being used as drawing dogs, if they are there for bolting foxes that's a different matter.......just in my experience lurchers weren't part of a days digging....ATB

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

 

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

Great post, absolutely no need for a strong dog or a lurcher at a dig.....I've never had either when digging......never felt I was lacking.....

yes that's good points again but the reason we have a lurcher or 2 at a dig is incase the fox bolts, im not afraid of handling my quarry, but the quarry has to be there to be handled, a bolting fox is not going to wait on anybody and that's where a good lurcher comes into his own. and as we all know theres ways of testing the gameness in the lurchers aswell. my post above was ment in the past growing up as teenagers when we didn't know any better.

Yes of course, I was only referring to lurchers being used as drawing dogs, if they are there for bolting foxes that's a different matter.......just in my experience lurchers weren't part of a days digging....ATB

 

we had them as a precaution because we never knew what was at home til it was opened up and missed many a fox because it bolted and we never had a catch dog with us

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

I rest my case.

 

neil did you like strong dogs doing a bit in the field or prefare the trials? or are you not a big fan of them after experiencing them for yourself? I know for a fact myself if I had the opertunity to go myself I would have been a regular. its not a trick question or starting rows, id respect the thought of a man whos experienced and made decisions before any that don't. if you get what I mean?

[neil cooney 10,416]

Big G , when I started in terriers having a strondog was as important as having a shovel. Let alone a terrier to dig too.

I grew up with it.

You put your terrier in and hopefully dug to it and hopefully the quarry was there, just in front of your terrier.

Then you let a strongdog in to work.

In those days you tended to have two types of terriermen (here in Ireland).

You had the lads who were big into their shooting and spent their Summers digging vixens and cubs and then you had the lads who took their terrier work seriously and had a standard and aimed for good dogs in the field.

Also in those days a lot of lads had a shore ready to try their strongdogs under the stopwatch to ensure that their dogs knew what to do and how to do it.

I personally was more into hunting my terriers but for many years still felt it was essential to have a strongdog to hand.

From experience I know that a strongdog in the field is a pain in the arse.

Have to admit though, there's a lot of good sport to be had by bolting foxes to lurchers.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

Big G , when I started in terriers having a strondog was as important as having a shovel. Let alone a terrier to dig too.

I grew up with it.

You put your terrier in and hopefully dug to it and hopefully the quarry was there, just in front of your terrier.

Then you let a strongdog in to work.

In those days you tended to have two types of terriermen (here in Ireland).

You had the lads who were big into their shooting and spent their Summers digging vixens and cubs and then you had the lads who took their terrier work seriously and had a standard and aimed for good dogs in the field.

Also in those days a lot of lads had a shore ready to try their strongdogs under the stopwatch to ensure that their dogs knew what to do and how to do it.

I personally was more into hunting my terriers but for many years still felt it was essential to have a strongdog to hand.

From experience I know that a strongdog in the field is a pain in the arse.

Have to admit though, there's a lot of good sport to be had by bolting foxes to lurchers.

that's true neil I think its the anticipation when a terrier goes in and everybody is just listening quietly for any sound and old fox flies out as if he has a rocket up his ass then the chase is on. but I am a firm believer of 1 terrier or dog at a time on fox and hunting in general . im not a fan of bull lurchers although I know a few excellent dog and bitches that work outstandingly on all quarry but I think its the stigma that goes with them that makes me prefare the wheaten crosses as I prefare dogs with long coats for the obvious reasons. I guess the reason I like the strong dogs is the fairytale days we hear about of yesteryear and It would have been right up my street.

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Love these threads about strong dogs and the trials would've loved to have been at a trial unfortunately im just a bit too young keep the posts coming very interesting stuff

[chrisbullx 2,541]

Cracking thread lads atb cbx

[Carlovian 593]

I think the last year federation trials ware held was back in 1984 ... here are some photos of Wheaten Terriers from before then....

 

 

 

 

[Rebel 837]

Great pictures Carlovian, fine looking animals.

 

Were they your own, what way were they bred, were they from any particular line?

 

Thanks

[bullx100% 681]

The dog in the second to last pic (gaurding the esscort lol)is an absolute beaut.the best looking wheaton I seen on here... Were they full bred wheatons as the 3rd from last pic looks like abit of bully in there.....

[Carlovian 593]

Not mine , I was not into Wheatens... the lines would be names of the owners.... I don't know if they'd like them up here...

[Ring Pull 7]

 

 

when we were growing up and hunting we took th local russells up doubled up and got quite good results. we always took lurchers as we never knew what was at home and no matter what people admit too, when your terrier goes to ground and a fox pops out another hole and you have no dog its a b*****d. that's why I prefare lurchers to strong dogs although I love the wheatens. the lurchers we used growing up was all collie x grey and they worked and drew at the digs no probs, ive only seen 1 strong dog work and he was pit x staff and he was totally mute, great with stock and other dogs and brill with kids and people in general. but he was pure white and looked like he had a fight with a strimmer lol but really never suffered to badly lol hes long dead now

 

Big G, I disagree with the bit where you said "and no matter what people admit too,".

There are men who go through the whole of their lives having never had a strongdog or a lurcher present on a dig. They are usual men who are brilliant with their hands and able to use a shovel.

If the quarry is to be killed a firearms is used and if the quarry is to be relocated or freed they use their hands or step out of the way to let it by.

If the quarry is further up the tube they trench or tunnel on, torch in mouth and slide in on their belly to get the job done.

Using a dog to draw is often an excuse for a man who's afraid of the quarry. They've no problem with the dog getting unnecessarily bitten but shit themselves at the thought of been bitten themselves.

The days of the strongdog IMO should be confined to the history books. There's still a band of lads who know how to keep them right and the old types will be safe in their hands but nowadays the popularity of the wheaten and staff is down to a few lads churning them out for money.

There's lads breeding strongdogs nowadays who had dogs when the trials were big but they didn't participate.

Why ?

Because they weren't good enough.

But now, when most people wouldn't know a wheaten from a glen they can tell their lies, boost their egos and swell their bank accounts.

 

The strong dog is not good for terrier work.

Look at the European countries that have a tradition of terrierwork where a sounder and a weapon for dispatching is used. France, Belgium and Scandinavia to name a few. They're still digging badger legally.

Now look at the European countries that have strong traditions of using strongdogs at the end of a dig.

Ireland, Britain and Holland to name a few.

 

I rest my case.

Great post, absolutely no need for a strong dog or a lurcher at a dig.....I've never had either when digging......never felt I was lacking.....

must be one of the very very few

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

The dog in the second to last pic (gaurding the esscort lol)is an absolute beaut.the best looking wheaton I seen on here... Were they full bred wheatons as the 3rd from last pic looks like abit of bully in there.....

anno, the dog must have knew in many yrs them mk2s would be worth a fortune lololol

[Pedwar 320]

Third pic down looks like 1 of mine, I like the lighter more athletic type rather than the hairy bulls