Boilies

[albert64 1,882]

wilf never been one for tipping it in, a single 15mm bait fished butterfly cast into 44acres holding at the most 100 carp

caught me plenty of big fish, the same as a single tiger nut can be devastating at certain times

[northern lad 2,292]

wilf never been one for tipping it in, a single 15mm bait fished butterfly cast into 44acres holding at the most 100 carp

caught me plenty of big fish, the same as a single tiger nut can be devastating at certain times

Horses for courses Albert....not a fan of tipping it in myself ,but on some waters it was a necessary evil .Saw a programme the other day,some guy mixing up his spod mix in a bucket,must have put 20 ingredients in it,amongst others was a couple of spoons of sea salt....all the time he was adding it I couldn't help but laugh....2 spoons of salt (don't forget a few chilli flakes) in a bucketful of mix,fired out 80yds into a 100+acre lake in 20 ft of water....it would be so diluted it wasn't worth putting in....apparently its a "key" ingredient each to their own...

[albert64 1,882]

exactly mate, I was fishing tabley years ago and a lad up the bank was pilling it in, boilies,hemp,corn,wheat and an assortment of pellets

I sprayed about 20 boilies over abot a 15yd square and cast out a 5 bait stringer, took a nice common at 23lb then nothing through the night

he'd had a blank and packs up, during the morning another bloke turns up straight in the same swim and starts pilling the bait in,

I've always trickled the bait in until you get them going on it

the added salt I've heard of lads using it, we used to add marmite to our mix years ago and that's quite salty

and it worked

[northern lad 2,292]

exactly mate, I was fishing tabley years ago and a lad up the bank was pilling it in, boilies,hemp,corn,wheat and an assortment of pellets

I sprayed about 20 boilies over abot a 15yd square and cast out a 5 bait stringer, took a nice common at 23lb then nothing through the night

he'd had a blank and packs up, during the morning another bloke turns up straight in the same swim and starts pilling the bait in,

I've always trickled the bait in until you get them going on it

the added salt I've heard of lads using it, we used to add marmite to our mix years ago and that's quite salty

and it worked

Is that Tabley Moat Albert If so can you remember when Lymm Anglers stocked it with pike to the extent that they literally starved to death this was prob early nineties,I know a 36lber out of a "different" water ended up in there and was found dead a few months later weighing not much over 20...they call it Fishery Management apparently

[GIBB0 50]

I have fished a lot of waters were topping your bait with a small bright pop up would out catch a standard bottom bait rig. and I always have 1 rod with this on. I have fished waters were a bright pop up was avoided like the plague. but I would still top the bait with a darker pop up to make the rig semi buoyant. I have had sucsess using a handful of bait here and there and at times I couldn't put enough in!. in this game if you don't adapt your setup to suit the lake and conditions your fishing your be going home with a dry net more often than not. there is a reason rigs and baits are getting more complicated and its because carp are getting harder and harder to catch. I often find going against the norm on a water can produce a massive hit. if everybodys spodding in a tight area and using bits of corn as a hookbait why not use 20mm bolies and scatter them about to create a different feeding situation. being different has caught me ALOT of bounus fish and no doubt lost me a few aswell. if your doing the same as everybody else your only going to get the same results as them...

[northern lad 2,292]

Carp may get harder to catch due to angling pressure ,but Einstein they aint....some baits eventually spook the shit out of fish,watched it with my own eyes,one in particular I fished many years ago ,sweetcorn would clear a swim like a grenade.I just dont think fish ,carp particularly,have the brains they are credited with....they have there instincts to survive and little more in my opinion....if for example they were so clever ,why did the self hooking/bolt rig work,the fishes instinct to flee from danger is stronger than its supposed thought process and to concentrate on ejecting the bait....just my take on it cracking pic you put up ATB Dave

[threelander 81]

hi i must agree about the fish getting too much respect.i think it,s the fisherman them selves thats makeing fish harder to catch.there obsessed with bait and what can be the next bait to get the edge over others.why don,t we go back to basics.it,s the same with time fish feed anglers have brainwashed them.i try and fish the rivers for barbel and years ago all i had was maggots and i would catch anytime of day now if i go you only catch through the night because thats the only time people are fishing it so the fish turn on to it.you only have to look at why carp come into the margins when they think all have gone home.thats only my opinon

[Flipper_Al 1,012]

I have fished waters where sweetcorn dyed red caught loads

Fished waters where only washed out baits worked

Fished waters with bright orange hooklinks and still caught

Now 90% of the time i fish pva bags in the silt....

[WILF 46,681]

I don't really know what constitutes "tipping it in"..... To me it all depends what head of different fish there are. What size the carp run to etc etc .........if there is a lot of nice carp in the upper double to mid twenty bracket and some large shoals of bream would you consider 10 kg of bait for 36 hours "tipping it in"?

 

I wouldn't , they would scoff through that in a matter of hours no problem at all.

 

It depends what other anglers are doing to but if someone has deposited a lot of bait in an area then you can cheat up the back of them using just a small amount of what you brought with you.

 

There's no set rule, you have to access all the different factors on the day.

 

That said, I want to control my angling and you can only do this with location and by using your bait.

 

I personally don't consider chucking a single out into acres of water ( even a medium size 40 or 50 acre place) as controlling your angling, it always seemed more in hope than expectation to me.

Most of the time you would score more with a lobworm fished in the edge or a bag of chum in the summer.

 

People don't use bait properly because they can't afford to.

 

They loose sight of the fact that you don't really need this or that brand, something they will eat plenty of that you can afford to feed them is all you need

 

Same as rigs, it's all bollocks......just designed to sell people shit they don't need

[Ossie n Arch 1,682]

I don't really know what constitutes "tipping it in"..... To me it all depends what head of different fish there are. What size the carp run to etc etc .........if there is a lot of nice carp in the upper double to mid twenty bracket and some large shoals of bream would you consider 10 kg of bait for 36 hours "tipping it in"?

 

I wouldn't , they would scoff through that in a matter of hours no problem at all.

 

It depends what other anglers are doing to but if someone has deposited a lot of bait in an area then you can cheat up the back of them using just a small amount of what you brought with you.

 

There's no set rule, you have to access all the different factors on the day.

 

That said, I want to control my angling and you can only do this with location and by using your bait.

 

I personally don't consider chucking a single out into acres of water ( even a medium size 40 or 50 acre place) as controlling your angling, it always seemed more in hope than expectation to me.

Most of the time you would score more with a lobworm fished in the edge or a bag of chum in the summer.

 

People don't use bait properly because they can't afford to.

 

They loose sight of the fact that you don't really need this or that brand, something they will eat plenty of that you can afford to feed them is all you need

 

Same as rigs, it's all bollocks......just designed to sell people shit they don't need

 

I was going to wright something similar to this. WTF is all this different rig colour about ?? Korda doing 4 or 5 differing colours in all the same rig making material.

 

The Carp angler matches the colour of the rig to the lake bed, then sticks a huge lead 6" from the hook. Never understood that, surely the fish is going to see the lead before the rig tube ??

[Flipper_Al 1,012]

We used orange hooklinks to disprove all the bowlocks

 

If you ever get the chance to get out on a lake in a boat with an Aquescope..... you will understand.... its all bowlocks

Edited December 8, 2013 by Flipper_Al

[WILF 46,681]

Everyone fishes different, some like to sit it out and fish for a bite......others like to be more pro active.

 

Personally I find it hard to sit still if the messages are saying it should be happening ( which on any lake April to October it should be somewhere)

 

When you fish this way IMHO you can't be worrying about bait and rigs because it soon follows that you blame these things for lack of action when in fact there will almost always be some other factor........my hook link is very basic indeed and all I will do is adjust the length.

Bait or brand of bait I never worry about at all.

 

99% of anglers are fishing for a bite, half a KG of scattered baits around a baggy.......fish can take their pick, not much to rattle the old senses.

But IMHO fish are no different from say, pigeons or any other wild creature that moves about in groups.

 

You ring the dinner bell loud enough and they can't help themselves, hence when they plant a pea field you will see pigeons on there filling themselves to bursting even though all the acorns, elder and all the other stuff they normally eat is still there.

 

In nature, wild animals can't resist a feast.

 

Why we credit them with more intelligence than any other "flock" animal I don't know.......yes they may flare off your decoys or baits now and again but they just can't help themselves.......they want to be amongst the smorgasbord of food.

Edited December 8, 2013 by WILF

[billybaltic 308]

I hate to just cast out and then wait for a bite, i like to keep active, like you said everyone has there own way, i've seen my mate set his traps and then just sit there till the alarm goes off, not my way, i like to keep topping the swim up, always looking for sign's of fish, try a few floater's, have a walk around with a stalking rod to a few baited up swims, i don't worry about rig's or bait's as i'm happy with them, as for having a walk around there's not many that can refuse a big fat lobworm on a size 4, oh i can't wait for spring i put my carp gear away on wednesday after having a blank the day before, so strictly pike fishing from now on, i'm looking to get out thursday or friday, it does'nt feel cold enough yet but the day's are short.

[northern lad 2,292]

You hit the nail on the head Wilf I think a lot, all be it subconsciously,award high levels of intelligence to fish,to justify blanking....no shame in it..we all have em....but blanking after sitting static behind 3 rods is not the same as working your arse off,throwing everything at em ,and still not getting a result...location and watercraft over top gear/bait every time sometimes they just wont have it,super duper rigs/tackle/bait wont alter this,but cant think of anything worse than sat doing absolutely nothing if not catching...one of my pet hates is people sitting in dead swims,fish clearly showing elsewhere,but they cant be arsed humping all their gear to the far bank were fish are on the cards,one of my best mates a very well known carp fisherman was like this ,used to drive me f***ing mad campers with fishing rods

[WILF 46,681]

You have to blank sometimes lads......other wise it would be called "Catching" and not "Angling"