paulus 26 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 No matter what has happened they should be done with neglect. I said it the second I heard about the awful case. All this if they don't take the blame of knowing they were wrong they can't get prosecuted is a joke. If they don't know leaving young kids alone is dangerous they should have the others taking off them. Where is the line in this stupid law. Little boy falls on sharp knife the mother gave him to play with, her defense, I didn't think it was dangerous. No worries, you know not to do it again. Laws are set, it's up to us to know them, ignorance is no defense and child neglect is pretty high up on the things not to do list. If we started prosecuting every ignorant parent who neglects their child in some way it would probably reduce the free population of the country by 30 %..........old and young rich and poor theres not that many perfect parents out there just the majority dont come quite as unstuck as the Mcanns did.......right is right and wrong is wrong a tragic outcome dont make it more wrong. years ago one of my lads burnt his hand on a radiator, we had the third degree down the hospital. made to feel very bad about an accident. however the burn was not premeditated it was an accident, knowingly leaving your kids alone for a second night, in an unlocked hotel room in a strange country even after you found one crying their eyes out the night before after waking up and nobody was there can in no way be described as either an accident or a miss judgement, its willful abandonment. Yep i buy all that.......all im saying is just because this situation ended in a tragic outcome dont mean that similar is not happening all over this and every other country as we speak.......if theres not a terrible outcome we dont hear about it though hence right is right and wrong is wrong....... The fact there was other parents sat with them all showing the same neglect in the same hotel in the same country in the same week........suggest this sort of thing probably go,s on a lot more than people like to believe......so does that make the Mcanns unlucky ? Most would say no they should rot in hell etc etc etc....but the reality is there was probably 50,000 people round the world neglecting a child in one form or another that night. responsibility and parenting go together it is that simple, anyone who does not understand this can not possibly call themselves a good parents, if you do something that is not responsible and arguably criminal, whatever the circumstances, wherever in the world that may be then you can not expect to get special treatment because of your mistake as hard as that sounds Yes im not disputing they was wrong we know that................my question is was they unlucky ?............If 50 bad people do wrong but only 1 has a bad outcome are there 49 lucky people or 1 unlucky ?...........and should people be punished for bad luck ? if 49 people had got away with burgling your house and the 50th was caught would you say they was unlucky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 No matter what has happened they should be done with neglect. I said it the second I heard about the awful case. All this if they don't take the blame of knowing they were wrong they can't get prosecuted is a joke. If they don't know leaving young kids alone is dangerous they should have the others taking off them. Where is the line in this stupid law. Little boy falls on sharp knife the mother gave him to play with, her defense, I didn't think it was dangerous. No worries, you know not to do it again. Laws are set, it's up to us to know them, ignorance is no defense and child neglect is pretty high up on the things not to do list. If we started prosecuting every ignorant parent who neglects their child in some way it would probably reduce the free population of the country by 30 %..........old and young rich and poor theres not that many perfect parents out there just the majority dont come quite as unstuck as the Mcanns did.......right is right and wrong is wrong a tragic outcome dont make it more wrong. years ago one of my lads burnt his hand on a radiator, we had the third degree down the hospital. made to feel very bad about an accident. however the burn was not premeditated it was an accident, knowingly leaving your kids alone for a second night, in an unlocked hotel room in a strange country even after you found one crying their eyes out the night before after waking up and nobody was there can in no way be described as either an accident or a miss judgement, its willful abandonment. Yep i buy all that.......all im saying is just because this situation ended in a tragic outcome dont mean that similar is not happening all over this and every other country as we speak.......if theres not a terrible outcome we dont hear about it though hence right is right and wrong is wrong....... The fact there was other parents sat with them all showing the same neglect in the same hotel in the same country in the same week........suggest this sort of thing probably go,s on a lot more than people like to believe......so does that make the Mcanns unlucky ? Most would say no they should rot in hell etc etc etc....but the reality is there was probably 50,000 people round the world neglecting a child in one form or another that night. responsibility and parenting go together it is that simple, anyone who does not understand this can not possibly call themselves a good parents, if you do something that is not responsible and arguably criminal, whatever the circumstances, wherever in the world that may be then you can not expect to get special treatment because of your mistake as hard as that sounds Yes im not disputing they was wrong we know that................my question is was they unlucky ?............If 50 bad people do wrong but only 1 has a bad outcome are there 49 lucky people or 1 unlucky ?...........and should people be punished for bad luck ? if 49 people had got away with burgling your house and the 50th was caught would you say they was unlucky Of course they would be.........what else would you call it ? Thats my whole point people are calling for the Mcanns blood but what about the other 49 who got away with it.........apart from throwing fucks into them i dont know what other words you could use apart from bad luck....do you ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I cant see how you can question whether they were lucky or not......... unlucky that she disappeared or lucky she hasn't been found dead.Is a cancer patient unlucky to only have 3 months to live or lucky that its not 3 weeks? Prevention is better than cure............... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Prevention is better than cure............... Thats always a beauty after something terrible has happened ! I,ll re-phrase it..........if you and 49 others go out coursing hares tomorrow and the other 49 take their dog home before snuggling up with the wife.......while your dog is lifted and your sitting in a plod shop.................would you consider yourself unlucky ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert64 1,882 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Prevention is better than cure............... Thats always a beauty after something terrible has happened ! I,ll re-phrase it..........if you and 49 others go out coursing hares tomorrow and the other 49 take their dog home before snuggling up with the wife.......while your dog is lifted and your sitting in a plod shop.................would you consider yourself unlucky ? at least he'd of stayed with his dog............... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 To answer your question, yes I was unlucky BUT..........If I hadn't participated in an illegal activity, the odds would change and I would be at home snuggled up with the wife. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 No matter what has happened they should be done with neglect. I said it the second I heard about the awful case. All this if they don't take the blame of knowing they were wrong they can't get prosecuted is a joke. If they don't know leaving young kids alone is dangerous they should have the others taking off them. Where is the line in this stupid law. Little boy falls on sharp knife the mother gave him to play with, her defense, I didn't think it was dangerous. No worries, you know not to do it again. Laws are set, it's up to us to know them, ignorance is no defense and child neglect is pretty high up on the things not to do list. If we started prosecuting every ignorant parent who neglects their child in some way it would probably reduce the free population of the country by 30 %..........old and young rich and poor theres not that many perfect parents out there just the majority dont come quite as unstuck as the Mcanns did.......right is right and wrong is wrong a tragic outcome dont make it more wrong. years ago one of my lads burnt his hand on a radiator, we had the third degree down the hospital. made to feel very bad about an accident. however the burn was not premeditated it was an accident, knowingly leaving your kids alone for a second night, in an unlocked hotel room in a strange country even after you found one crying their eyes out the night before after waking up and nobody was there can in no way be described as either an accident or a miss judgement, its willful abandonment. Yep i buy all that.......all im saying is just because this situation ended in a tragic outcome dont mean that similar is not happening all over this and every other country as we speak.......if theres not a terrible outcome we dont hear about it though hence right is right and wrong is wrong....... The fact there was other parents sat with them all showing the same neglect in the same hotel in the same country in the same week........suggest this sort of thing probably go,s on a lot more than people like to believe......so does that make the Mcanns unlucky ? Most would say no they should rot in hell etc etc etc....but the reality is there was probably 50,000 people round the world neglecting a child in one form or another that night. responsibility and parenting go together it is that simple, anyone who does not understand this can not possibly call themselves a good parents, if you do something that is not responsible and arguably criminal, whatever the circumstances, wherever in the world that may be then you can not expect to get special treatment because of your mistake as hard as that sounds Yes im not disputing they was wrong we know that................my question is was they unlucky ?............If 50 bad people do wrong but only 1 has a bad outcome are there 49 lucky people or 1 unlucky ?...........and should people be punished for bad luck ? if 49 people had got away with burgling your house and the 50th was caught would you say they was unlucky Of course they would be.........what else would you call it ? Thats my whole point people are calling for the Mcanns blood but what about the other 49 who got away with it.........apart from throwing fucks into them i dont know what other words you could use apart from bad luck....do you ? i would call it criminal the same as the other 49 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert64 1,882 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 No matter what has happened they should be done with neglect. I said it the second I heard about the awful case. All this if they don't take the blame of knowing they were wrong they can't get prosecuted is a joke. If they don't know leaving young kids alone is dangerous they should have the others taking off them. Where is the line in this stupid law. Little boy falls on sharp knife the mother gave him to play with, her defense, I didn't think it was dangerous. No worries, you know not to do it again. Laws are set, it's up to us to know them, ignorance is no defense and child neglect is pretty high up on the things not to do list. If we started prosecuting every ignorant parent who neglects their child in some way it would probably reduce the free population of the country by 30 %..........old and young rich and poor theres not that many perfect parents out there just the majority dont come quite as unstuck as the Mcanns did.......right is right and wrong is wrong a tragic outcome dont make it more wrong. years ago one of my lads burnt his hand on a radiator, we had the third degree down the hospital. made to feel very bad about an accident. however the burn was not premeditated it was an accident, knowingly leaving your kids alone for a second night, in an unlocked hotel room in a strange country even after you found one crying their eyes out the night before after waking up and nobody was there can in no way be described as either an accident or a miss judgement, its willful abandonment. Yep i buy all that.......all im saying is just because this situation ended in a tragic outcome dont mean that similar is not happening all over this and every other country as we speak.......if theres not a terrible outcome we dont hear about it though hence right is right and wrong is wrong....... The fact there was other parents sat with them all showing the same neglect in the same hotel in the same country in the same week........suggest this sort of thing probably go,s on a lot more than people like to believe......so does that make the Mcanns unlucky ? Most would say no they should rot in hell etc etc etc....but the reality is there was probably thousands of people round the world neglecting a child in one form or another that night just most didnt have a bad outcome. and that is why they've brought a new law out that its an offence to know about child abuse and not report it because leaving an infant and two babies to their own devices is abuse and every parents worse nightmare happened, its just unthinkable 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Prevention is better than cure............... Thats always a beauty after something terrible has happened ! I,ll re-phrase it..........if you and 49 others go out coursing hares tomorrow and the other 49 take their dog home before snuggling up with the wife.......while your dog is lifted and your sitting in a plod shop.................would you consider yourself unlucky ? In the descriptive sense, Unlucky is a word people give after the occurrence of events which they find to be fortuitous or usually unfortuitous, and maybe improbable.........More of the same? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Im not saying you boys are wrong of course your not.............its probably just something instinctive in me to stick up for the guilty get the mitigating circumstances in early and all that .......i always did root for the baddies in films ! Obviously the Mccanns made a horrendous f**k up and everything you lads say is right......though i still think they had bad luck. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Im not saying you boys are wrong of course your not.............its probably just something instinctive in me to stick up for the guilty get the mitigating circumstances in early and all that .......i always did root for the baddies in films ! Obviously the Mccanns made a horrendous f**k up and everything you lads say is right................................ ...................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rough dog 333 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Im not saying you boys are wrong of course your not.............its probably just something instinctive in me to stick up for the guilty get the mitigating circumstances in early and all that .......i always did root for the baddies in films ! Obviously the Mccanns made a horrendous f**k up and everything you lads say is right......though i still think they had bad luck. I`m sorry mate I`m not looking for an argument but I just cant see how you can ask if they were lucky or not !! so if someone lets their 3 year old baby run across a busy road and they don't get hit by the traffic are you saying they are lucky ? or if they get hit by a car the parents are unlucky ? sorry I just cant get my head around that !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Im not saying you boys are wrong of course your not.............its probably just something instinctive in me to stick up for the guilty get the mitigating circumstances in early and all that .......i always did root for the baddies in films ! Obviously the Mccanns made a horrendous f**k up and everything you lads say is right......though i still think they had bad luck. I`m sorry mate I`m not looking for an argument but I just cant see how you can ask if they were lucky or not !! so if someone lets their 3 year old baby run across a busy road and they don't get hit by the traffic are you saying they are lucky ? or if they get hit by a car the parents are unlucky ? sorry I just cant get my head around that !! Its very simple mate....................if 50 people do the same thing and 1 of those 50 have a bad outcome but none of the other 49 do.......................that 1 is unlucky....dont matter what it is.........................that doesnt mean all 50 are not wrong in the first place it just means only 1 was unlucky............i dont really see what else you could call it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rough dog 333 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I understand the 50 people and luck thing!.... it might just be my way of thinking but I`m struggling to get my head around working out if they were lucky or unlucky ! it`s just not sinking in with me sorry mate ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Because the kids of the other people sitting round the table are still alive...........Simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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