If Deerhounds Aren't What They Were

[Hot Meat 3,109]

both if that what you feel is needed, without the working pures there will be no more crosses but by using the working crosses you will improve the pures if that makes sense. iv seen a few threads recently about this type and crossung it with stag blood from usa or adding collie blooded lurchers, i personally think without a heap of guys willing to pull together then in the near future it will become a lot harder to improve or lock in the qualities of the decent ones about today

[birddog 1,354]

i can trace mine back i think on the deerhound / lurcher side 8 generations or so and obviously more on the greyhound side, they've all worked way pre ban but thats not the point of this thread, although i'm more than happy with mine, if i had to pick a fault she's thrown a bit to the greyhound and i'd like more substance, a wee bit more weight might help her shrug off the many bumps and bangs that a working dog gets from time to time, so in the future i'd look for a dog with the same quiet till roused nature, working background good conformation and a wee bit more substance to try and compensate what i percieve as a weakness in my bitch with the hope that the next generation is a wee bit better............but as you're interested heres some of her ancestors (some pics are way pre ban mods, check out the fashion of the day)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B.P.R 2,798]

No matter what your views or opinions are..... its always good looking at old pics ....

[DeerhoundLurcherMan 997]

both if that what you feel is needed, without the working pures there will be no more crosses but by using the working crosses you will improve the pures if that makes sense. iv seen a few threads recently about this type and crossung it with stag blood from usa or adding collie blooded lurchers, i personally think without a heap of guys willing to pull together then in the near future it will become a lot harder to improve or lock in the qualities of the decent ones about today

 

I have no intention of improving any pure breed. Nor am I particularly bothered with first xs. Cant understand why anyone would be interested? Other than money....?

 

There is enough deerhound blooded lurchers and first xs about to start a good working line without looking at introducing them kc registered beasts.

[lapin2008 1,587]

without nit picking or trying to piss anybody off, how many have actually got this type an use it other than to put up pretty pics an parade it about on a lead cos it looks like the romantic lurcher type? anything less than a good few hundred bunnys a season at the very least and you may aswell have lurchers imo as lets face it not many are running the land they was designed for never mind quarry.....

 

To be honest all these threads always draw a similar type of challenge, its also very difficult to counter these in today's climate...

 

I have 2 dhx but I'm not a massive supporter of the dhx over any other lurcher mix in general, the two I have now do well enough for me though in a variety of settings. I do think though that most of the bad press the dhx get on here is probably as a direct result of the vast majority of the owners that have them because they look a certain way etc..

[the big chief 3,099]

i can trace mine back i think on the deerhound / lurcher side 8 generations or so and obviously more on the greyhound side, they've all worked way pre ban but thats not the point of this thread, although i'm more than happy with mine, if i had to pick a fault she's thrown a bit to the greyhound and i'd like more substance, a wee bit more weight might help her shrug off the many bumps and bangs that a working dog gets from time to time, so in the future i'd look for a dog with the same quiet till roused nature, working background good conformation and a wee bit more substance to try and compensate what i percieve as a weakness in my bitch with the hope that the next generation is a wee bit better............but as you're interested heres some of her ancestors (some pics are way pre ban mods, check out the fashion of the day)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

love the 4th pic down fine looking hounds

[birddog 1,354]

i think even with all its faults the internet and forums like this can be used to great effect, many of the guys working these types are private, keep themselves to themselves sorts and the fact that we can share experience and ideas as well as see dogs from the other end of the country (even other countries) should make it easier to find potential mates to improve the type

[Hot Meat 3,109]

wasnt the point of the thread what they are lacking? well its obvious what they are lacking is folk getting organised an breeding togther with acommon goal. the diffrence between grafters an non grafters is gettin more by the day, if you were to put that last post somewhere and others done same, then findin the right dog or bitch wouls be much easier and big heavy clumsy donkey like dogs could be avoided, which surely would only do good for type. looking at them pics of yours and then seeing some of the monstrositys about just shows the gap in types, dont let it get any bigger, id have 1 like your pics but i wouldnt give kennel space to some kicking about

[Hot Meat 3,109]

when i say pures i mean working pures, there aint many left, a friend of mine has 2 that are really old an retired now, but these are more like most of the deernound lurchers than kc bred pures. i think a good line of deerhoundxs would become the new working pure, just like the line bred coursing dogs are doing the job greyhounds were bred for, if that makes sense lol fook papers and the kc, but why not try and get a good working line as close to the old pures as possible, even without papers most with any sense would class them as working deerhounds

[birddog 1,354]

don't entirely agree with a bunch of guys getting organised though, everyone going to have different needs. ideas, quarry, ground etc so their going to want different qualities in a dog.......................the kc are an organised bunch and theyve done a lot of good........maybe its the loners who are honest with themselves that are the way forward

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

tell yas this fellas, the more I read about this cross on here the more I like them and would love to see a gooden work. I only ever saw 1 and it was in the 90s and by fcuk it was like a pure white donkey and hit loads of fences id even say a donkey was faster. not mocking the cross but it was a total wanker. it was called rocky and we nick named it casper, looked like it was haunting rabbits as it never caught anything

[DeerhoundLurcherMan 997]

tell yas this fellas, the more I read about this cross on here the more I like them and would love to see a gooden work. I only ever saw 1 and it was in the 90s and by fcuk it was like a pure white donkey and hit loads of fences id even say a donkey was faster. not mocking the cross but it was a total wanker. it was called rocky and we nick named it casper, looked like it was haunting rabbits as it never caught anything

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[kranky 507]

I think those of you wanting to reduce the size to 26 or 27" max and want to add collie blood are missing the point of these dogs.

 

Formalising a working type is fine but it may end up like the Plummer Terrier with two groups. One promoting the taller dogs and the other with the smaller dogs.

 

I make no apologies for being in the taller dog camp, as that's what I've had and know and I've never found them wanting.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

I think those of you wanting to reduce the size to 26 or 27" max and want to add collie blood are missing the point of these dogs.

 

Formalising a working type is fine but it may end up like the Plummer Terrier with two groups. One promoting the taller dogs and the other with the smaller dogs.

 

I make no apologies for being in the taller dog camp, as that's what I've had and know and I've never found them wanting.

I think a deer/grey x wheaten/grey could make a handy dog and reduce the height down to the 25 to 27 inch heights

[lapin2008 1,587]

I think those of you wanting to reduce the size to 26 or 27" max and want to add collie blood are missing the point of these dogs.

 

Formalising a working type is fine but it may end up like the Plummer Terrier with two groups. One promoting the taller dogs and the other with the smaller dogs.

 

I make no apologies for being in the taller dog camp, as that's what I've had and know and I've never found them wanting.

 

For me, 26" would be a little on the small size for some of the scenarios where a slightly bigger version may do better. Any more than 29" though would be pushing it