Any Cross ?

[Hot Meat 3,109]

I'd have what I got in me kennel...

[lapin2008 1,587]

 

 

 

 

 

we're breeding from dogs that win a few races or rosettes at shows, or from dogs that preban took a few foxes, munties or roe a few times during the season, or a bag of rabbits on the lamp, this lot seem to be taking truck loads of coyotes on numerous consecutive days and with a nights kip and some good feed they'll be ready to go again.........we wait for weeks on rain so our precious charges don't hurt themselves, these guys run on whatever ground they come across because thats where the quarry are only the very best make it to breeding age how many times on here are folks slagged for breeding unproven pups ? and a genuine question for the real guys who hunt, work and maybe breed their own........the litter on the ground over there just now with the big dollop of collie blood.......would breeding with one of them not add something to the allrounder type here that perhaps we couldn't find here ?

 

Agree with what you've put there but I do think that we have the right ingredients over here as well its just that the approach to breeding that is different. Trying to import one is something I might look into in the next few years providing I thought that the person sending one over was of the right mindset

 

why import? would straws not be simpler ?

 

 

Whichever way would be easier tbh, either a retired bitch imported, a pup or straws. Be an interesting experiment either way!

 

theoretically........what would you breed it with ?

 

 

Something like a coursing bred dog that has been tested in as many different ways as possible, or the best 'all round' dog you can get hold of preferably from a lurcher X lurcher type breeding going back as long as possible

 

on 2nd thoughts what you bred it with would probably have to take into consideration where you intend to run it as what works on the big open plains in the US wouldn't necessarily work over here either. And a big 80lb 29" dog in the dales or on really bumpy uneven ground may also be a disaster waiting to happen

[nothernlite 18,135]

i would have what ive got just now why would you have what you dont want

[sikastag_1 689]

I'm sure if someone wanted to introduce staghound mix blood into your line it could be sorted if someone really tried the bitch here could be A.I'd. Iv got myself a 11 week old 1/2 grey 1/4 whippet 1/4 wheaten pup I think it will be a good ruff and tumble dog for catching rabbits on any ground time will tell

[Dan McDonough 560]

I think you guys have it figured out. The dogs aren't all that different, at least where it concerns their makeup. It simply comes down to the way they are used. The fact that they are not a part of any of the KC's has helped them stay as good old hard working dogs.

 

There are a few people that would like to get some of that over there but the cost is prohibitive for one man to do it. The thing is, if one guy does it, he'll have to take that dog out and prove that dog to everyone before he'll be able to recoup his costs in stid fees. Now, if a group of men got together and pooled their resources together and got a really good male the group could spread it around easy and it wouldn't cost nearly as much. Obviously, you can spread a male around breeding multiple females a lot easier and a lot quicker than if the group bought a female.

 

Take say 10 men and spend 220 pound each and pull in a really good breeding male. All who contributed would get to breed to that male for free. Vote on one person to take care of the dog and (as a group) pay that man for it's feed and medical needs. Pretty simple. You can get a lot done if you don't care who gets the credit.

 

The only thing you can't replicate over there is the environment we have over here, and it's the environment that we have here in the US that makes the difference. We're not better dog men nor do we have some magic dog DNA but what we do have (for a little while longer anyhow) is more land and more freedom.

 

If it were me, I would just move! But, if you've got your roots buried deep in the UK than you might as well make the best of it.

 

Now all you need is a middle-man (not me, not enough experience), a really good staghound and about 9 other men to get the ball rolling. Do any of you think you can get that many dog men to agree on one thing?

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Imagine 10 litters of pups and all out the same sire, what it if none a them produced anything better than we had to start?? Rescue centres and pre loved would be swamped lol you'll be lucky to find 10 men interested that would cull.... I'll keep what I got, if it ain't broke....

[Dan McDonough 560]

Or...you could get one of the good stag-men to send a bunch of straws of semen off of a good stud. That would take some organizing but may be cheaper. You just need a good middleman.

[Dan McDonough 560]

Hot-Meat- What about 10 straws off of a proven reproducer? A little less risky, don't you think?

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Even if he was to be a producer, what would he produce? Way I see it is them dogs are bred are for over there, ours are bred for over here, I could be wrong but I'm happy with mine

[carlton chase 37]

I like the sound of the saluki deer grey anyone run one on here's with a proper opinion on em not guna lie lads the sound of a staghound x saluki grey does sound appetising

[neems 2,406]

Hot-Meat- What about 10 straws off of a proven reproducer? A little less risky, don't you think?

That's an interesting idea,not something I think I could ever commit to because i couldnt do it justice work wise,but if just a straw was sent it would need to be an out cross.

 

 

What would the X be?

[DeerhoundLurcherMan 997]

Why spend a fortune on getting staghound blood over here? staghounds are used to catch and kill coyotes, which obviously we don't have.......

 

I understand the idea of "if they can handle a coyote then surely they would take a fox no prob". But what's to say that good fox dogs wouldn't take a coyote no prob?

 

It seems the thinking is that because staghounds take a bigger predator they are better at the job?.......But there is no way of testing our good fox dogs over here on any bigger predator than a fox....

 

If foxes are your thing then surely you would rather a pup out of dogs doing there job well, rather than spend a fortune getting staghound blood over here and hoping?..

 

Just my thoughts.....

[TonyOrmy 128]

i have always liked the look of them gallgoes that they course with in spain,i think a good 1 x with a good honest lurcher would make a decent dog

[lapin2008 1,587]

Why spend a fortune on getting staghound blood over here? staghounds are used to catch and kill coyotes, which obviously we don't have.......

 

I understand the idea of "if they can handle a coyote then surely they would take a fox no prob". But what's to say that good fox dogs wouldn't take a coyote no prob?

 

It seems the thinking is that because staghounds take a bigger predator they are better at the job?.......But there is no way of testing our good fox dogs over here on any bigger predator than a fox....

 

If foxes are your thing then surely you would rather a pup out of dogs doing there job well, rather than spend a fortune getting staghound blood over here and hoping?..

 

Just my thoughts.....

 

Nothing to do with foxes for me, any adult running dog should really be able to handle a fox and certainly be able to do the job with 1 or 2 other dogs like they run them in the states. Its the durability aspect for me of what these dogs have had to endure for many many generations.

 

Am not sure it would cost that much either when you think about what you might pay for a pup of the right breeding and also the distance/cost in diesel I would have picking it up

 

I'm not saying they are the be all and end all or saying they would be capable of more than the dogs over here I just think that it may be an experiment worth doing,

[DeerhoundLurcherMan 997]

The only bit I really get, is the idea of any dog not up to the job is culled, which IF working ability (as a whole) is passed down through generations then technically by now there should be less "wastage" in each litter.....

 

Where as over here pups seem to be bred from anything. Like has been said the yanks seem more honest about their dogs ability.

 

Saying that, I bet there are loads of dogs which were not bred from working dam and sire which make the grade with flying colours..........................

So whether it matters a f**k I don't know LOL