nuttall terriers

[RatSnatcher 0]

Edited September 13, 2007 by RatSnatcher

[RatSnatcher 0]

 

 

I keep old Nuttal dogs bred down from Miner I have a dog here that I have dug a few 100 rabbits with and only one hole dug each time, hard dog.

 

 

 

 

Have you made a litterary mistake there?, Am I in the ferreting section

[m.r1 7]

well keep it between the two of you and don't bring it on here where you know he cant answer you back

 

 

Mush - As I have already stated in past comments, me and Frank are here to expose liars, breeders and bull shitters, whether nice in personality or hospitable, in life I have learned not to trust people who are like this, trust has to be earned over a period of time and by gestures that do not include money, think of my reply what you will, may be my devious thoughts, I put it down to experience!

 

p***y - my contribution to the terrier world is I expose the above, I do not breed shit to shit and sell, in fact I cannot remember the last pup I sold. A couple of Failures that have been suitable for Hunt service have been given away, most are culled, they are given with reluctance to Huntsmen/terrier men that I have known for years with the understanding they are never bred from. 1 person who had several teriers, mostly pups let me down, he has never been phoned since and he is off my list as a genuine terrier man. Further contributions have been made via terrier clubs that I cannot name or it will identify me, organising rallies, petitions and lobbying of MPs, taking youngsters out in the field to see working terriers and lurchers, When asked for advice from the young terrier lads that know me I have given truthful advice and attempted to give guidance, if they want a yapper I will direct them to a yapper breeder or vice versa, I do not give them pups as they have not earned the right. And last but not least and I class as the most important, I HAVE PRESERVED WORKING QUALITIES TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND INTEND TO CARRY ON DOING SO, I hope this answers your quaestion

 

I do not profess to have the best terriers, at present far from it, in the future, hopefully (plenty young dogs) What I do do is test my terriers 100%, they are never showed, work single handed and given 100% in care and attention, they are my life and have been for a very long time, I am not a 5 minute Hollywood terrier man, I am here to stay, just like my terriers. Ive seen them all, the so called big names, standing in a certain corner, molesins on, talking big time digs and the rest of the bull.

 

I have no problems with people selling pups so long as the charge is not excessive and it is to a working home, we all have to make a living and rearing pups can be expensive with vet fees etc, its the moral/principle side of the argument for me.

 

Because of Antis it is unfortunate our ID cannot be given, I have had my fair share of shit from theses people and I intend to remain annonymous, however, please send me a PM with your details, I will check you out and if you are genuine will communicate with you properly, sorry to sound a paranoid f**ker, thats life

 

Good digging to all this year, Test them, care for them, DONT OVER WORK THEM and engoy them, they dont last long!

[m.r1 7]

so it is ok for one breader of these old lines to sell dogs to the europeans/yanks but not another?

 

Are you not paying attention Masada.....the breeder did not sell em..........its old hat anyway.

 

Hello Wilf, just read Messer hounds web, nice 1, and very true

[Guest NANDO]

Edited September 14, 2007 by NANDO

[Guest pikey]

MR.1, IF MOST OF WHAT YOU WROTE ABOUT YOUR SELF IS TRUE, THEN LETS BE HONEST MOST TERRIER MEN WHO HAVE BEING DIGGING A GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS COULD WRITE THE SAME ABOUT THEM SELFS.

 

I THINK WHAT REALLY COUNTS IS WHAT PEOPLE WRITE AND SAY ABOUT A PERSON. GIVING THERE GOOD HONEST OPINION. AND SIGN IT WITH THERE NAME.

 

I WONDER HOW YOU WOULD FEEL IF SOMEONE YOU HAD KNOWN HAD WROTE THINGS IN THE SAME MANNER AS YOU WROTE ABOUT THEM. AND WHEN YOU HIDE UNDER THE "MR. 1" IT DOES REALLY SHOW THAT YOU ARE HIDING FROM A REPLY FROM SOME ONE.

 

LADS THAT SELL PUPS FROM £1 TO £1000 SHOULD NOT BE ANY ONE ELSES BUSINESS,BUT THE GUY THAT BUYS IT.

 

I HAVE KEPT TERRIERS FOR OVER 40 YEARS...... I HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS OF EUROS OVER THE YEARS ON MY DOGS AND HUNTING.....AND I HAVE IN MY DAY SEEN TERRIERS I LIKE AND BOUGHT THEM FOR BIG MONEY ( THESE WERE NUTTALL BRED DOGS) THAT ARE NOW REFERRED TO AS "OLD NUTTALL STUFF". IF I HAD A SPARE PUP OR TWO FROM A LITTER I WOULD SELL THEM, I HAVE ALSO GIVEN TERRIERS TO LADS FOR FREE. SOME HAVE TURNED OUT TOP CLASS DOGS, OTHERS WERE RUBBISH....THE POINT I AM MAKING IS BRIAN BREEDS TEN TIMES MORE LITTERS THAT ME , ( JUST A GUESS) AND ITS QUITE POSSIBLE HE HAS TEN TIMES MORE RUBBISH ( AS IN PUPS THAT DONT MAKE THE GRADE).

 

" MR 1", IS THERE ANYONE ON THIS SITE THAT IS A TRUE TERRIER MAN , THAT CAN STAND UP AND SAY " YES I KNOW MR 1.

TO BE HONEST IN ALL MY YEARS DIGGING I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR READ ANOTHER "GOOD TERRIERMAN KNOCK ANOTHER GOOD TERRIER MAN. ( APART FROM R. BOOTHS).

 

YOU WOULD NOT BE ON THIS SITE KNOCKING TERRIER MEN, LIKE YOU DO , ON LESS YOU HAD A DISLIKE OF THEM, OR YOU DISLIKE HUNTING .

 

THERES IS NO NEED FOR ME TO GIVE YOU A PM. SO YOU CAN CHECK ME OUT, THERES A FAIR FEW LADS ON THIS SITE THAT I HAVE DUG WITH OR DEALTH WITH OVER THE YEARS......CAN OTHERS SAY THE SAME ABOUT YOU

[bill88 6]

Good post p***y,but it seems to be the "in thing" on here lately,to be questioning the ethics of other terriermen.I've never owned a terrier from any well known line's.Mine usually come from a friend of a friend,and occasionally i've bought in.I've got two here at the minute,one i bought from an ad,no names no history,no bullshit,and i'm not dissapointed,the other i was given by a mate.It is clear from some of the post's,that there are some knowledgeable folk on here,but in all honesty,i really couldn't give a flying f**k about who sell's this and who breeds from that.If you know what you want you'll know where to get it. You won't be looking in the CW classifieds.

[Guest ROOSTER]

AS one of the younger members on this site i find this educational and hope their are more to come

[Guest NANDO]

[quote name='RatSnatcher'

Have you made a litterary mistake there?,

MASADA..miner(old nuttall lines) A definate litterary mistake there surely..

ROOSTER...i right..

Edited September 13, 2007 by NANDO

[zap 4]

this thread getting a bit boreing ,right from what i have read mr nuttal is selling a few pups here and there so what from what i have read he has given a shit load of service to hunting and has bred as shit load of good dogs as you all class as old stuff ,now this is what i keep thinking [yes i have not and probably will never do very much ] but my thinking is ,You lads keep going on about you only breed to dogs that are what you call 100% digging dogs same no doubt applies to bitches you only line the best so if these nuttal dogs [new stuff] are no good you will never use them anyway so what is the big deal if the lad who worked for the money is willing to part with it as he is happy with what he is getting who are any of you to say he is wrong ,He aint going to get his hands on any of yours as you only give them to friends or else cull them so what are the lads who are after a terrier meant to do ?

[Greengrass 201]

Good points raised there.

[jrt666 1]

looking forward to replys to that post

[zap 4]

i probably have just dug a hole for myself but it was my first dig this year i just want to learn plain and simple i go out check the places on my permission and if we get a fox great if we dont well theres always the feeling that next time there may be something ,i probably am a bit nieve but it does get a bit confusing when some of the lads that i tend to take interest in there posts say the guy is ok then the other says he this and that :icon_redface:lasty i will say i look at this forum to learn and appoligise if anyone takes offence to what i have written but where would i get if i sat back and was just like some of the yes men,i hope someday to be able to say i have earned the right to own and will own good terriers and no i would not want to breed and make money but thats for the induvidule to decide ,but for now i'll just keep going out and me and my pair will give it our best shot

[Guest rio]

i havent been digging long only 3 seasons as im only 18 so i wouldnt know anything about mr nuttals older stuff my old mans mate got a little nuttal dog and we have had a fair amount of digs on him not as much as some lads dogs on these forums as we are only out on the weekend due to work but then again i have seen 2 or 3 other new nuttal dogs fail over the last few years i met mr nuttal for the 1st time this year he was a nice enough man but his terriers aint my cup of tea but if he wants to sell pups that down to him im sure all the genuine lads know what he got at his kennels now and stay away as long as your all happy with your dogs theres no need to keep running nuttals dogs down they may not be everyones cup of tea but thats life

 

season is upon us now stop arguing over the internet and get out and do some digging hope you all have a good season

[m.r1 7]

p***y

 

Not trying to be a smart arse but lets go through your comments: "MOST TERRIER MEN WHO HAVE BEING DIGGING A GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS COULD WRITE THE SAME ABOUT THEM SELFS". Yes you are spot on because they are genuine, however, doubt they would self promote and the usual sel promotion is said by tossers, I have not in any article blown my own trumpet, I have not advertised 1 pup for £300 £400 and do not intend to do so

 

2nd comment- "I THINK WHAT REALLY COUNTS IS WHAT PEOPLE WRITE AND SAY ABOUT A PERSON. GIVING THERE GOOD HONEST OPINION. AND SIGN IT WITH THERE NAME". Actions speak louder than words, you can judge your self, if you need to! by the people around you, whether in the dog world or not, so the feeling I have is I am ok! Plus the fact, dont want my name in lime light, not a Hollywood fan! And dont be so nieve to think Antis are not on this site, they are

 

3rd comment - I WONDER HOW YOU WOULD FEEL IF SOMEONE YOU HAD KNOWN HAD WROTE THINGS IN THE SAME MANNER AS YOU WROTE ABOUT THEM. AND WHEN YOU HIDE UNDER THE "MR. 1" IT DOES REALLY SHOW THAT YOU ARE HIDING FROM A REPLY FROM SOME ONE. - I can hide on the site, thats my choice, my comments cannot hide. There is a topic, people pass comment and have their say, people reply, no hiding place, if people put them selves up on a pedestal they are open to comments, criticism and praise, thats life. And I would be surprised if there was bad comments about either me or the lads I dig with, know why? Were genuine, good terriers and terier men are seen in the field not the ring or the ale tent talking shit

 

4th comment - LADS THAT SELL PUPS FROM £1 TO £1000 SHOULD NOT BE ANY ONE ELSES BUSINESS,BUT THE GUY THAT BUYS IT.

 

I HAVE KEPT TERRIERS FOR OVER 40 YEARS...... I HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS OF EUROS OVER THE YEARS ON MY DOGS AND HUNTING.....AND I HAVE IN MY DAY SEEN TERRIERS I LIKE AND BOUGHT THEM FOR BIG MONEY ( THESE WERE NUTTALL BRED DOGS) - Do you really want me to comment? I think I wil ask Frank for his comments on this 1! Hello ALL I AM BACK, kept terriers for 40 years and still buying, you are either a very unlucky person or a clueless terrirman, I shouldnt use the term terrirman for you because this comment sums you up, you mention Euros, obvious you are from Ireland, is it Dezzy Mackin? Sounds like him but Dezzy hasnt been in to it that long. Quality terriers do not get sold, teriermen that have to buy terriers over so many years are not terriermen, you are buying in to the sport, if the terriers are quality and for what ever reason a person is packing in the odds are that terrier would go to his digging companions, your comments lead me to believe you are a dealer. Frank Spencer, back and loving it, when allowed to wriite!

 

Frank is quite right, if you want my advice I would f**k the terriers off you have been messing with for 40 years, try to claim back all the Euros and go to a genuine terrierman and start again, thats if they will entertain you, as the satying goes, never to old to learn

 

5th comment - THE POINT I AM MAKING IS BRIAN BREEDS TEN TIMES MORE LITTERS THAT ME , ( JUST A GUESS) AND ITS QUITE POSSIBLE HE HAS TEN TIMES MORE RUBBISH ( AS IN PUPS THAT DONT MAKE THE GRADE - Exactly what I am saying, your words confirm he is a breeder and a breeder with no morals when it comes to culling, he reproduces out of shite. Why does he breed the arse out of his terriers and risk loseing so called working bitches through whelping? MONEY MONEY MONEY, and thats all

 

6th comment - MR 1", IS THERE ANYONE ON THIS SITE THAT IS A TRUE TERRIER MAN , THAT CAN STAND UP AND SAY " YES I KNOW MR 1.

TO BE HONEST IN ALL MY YEARS DIGGING I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR READ ANOTHER "GOOD TERRIERMAN KNOCK ANOTHER GOOD TERRIER MAN. ( APART FROM R. BOOTHS).

 

First part, if there are genuine terrir lads on here, and I am quite sure there are by some of the comments and sense that I have rerad and also PM I have received, whether they kniow me or not we may never know and is irelevant, because as you say "Iam hiding" Your 2nd part of the comment, you wont hear good terrierman knock a good terrier man, common sense!

 

 

 

ZAP - well said, and good luck

 

Bill 88 - The questioning the ethics of other terriermen is neccesay for people like ZAP, other wise poor Zap and the up and coming terrier lads will be had over for £££ and precious time piss pottong about with shit.

 

Your other comment about you are happy with what you have, good, thats they way it should be, honesty, but if you start saying there off this dog and that bitch, this goes back to Trump, Wilkinsons Rock, Smithy etc etc give me £300 and you can have 1 because I have bred 15 more litters andd theres plenty more where that 1 came from, if your not happy after waisting 18 months OF YOUR TIME, SPENT £150, travelled miles and miles trying to grt it to work, cost a fair bit in fuel and at the end got f**k all to show for it but return back to you to be given another dud, and then you decide to breed from the returned shit, you would be a wrong and have crossed the line. Good luck with what you are happy with and dont cross the line

 

 

ENough said from me on this, going round and round over the same shit, need a new topic, we all ahave our views and we cannot please all