Fox Pre Ban

[stewie 3,387]

the best dogs are the ones entered singly on whatever is put in front of them........that way you know the dog is doing it because A it can and B it wants to...........

[kranky 507]

 

 

 

 

 

 

These threads don't half contain some amount of 'how to' bullshit from folk who have obviously 'never done' what they are offering advice on....

the thing what makes me laugh is I know fully well that if a lad had a young dog he needed to start off ...............he/she preban wouldn't be looking if its this years fox...........if they have squeeled a fox right in .......whever or not its this years or not,.........on the lamp/daytime......that young dog will be slipped .....guaranteed,...........with the adrenalin going and one looking right at you 15 ft away,.....they will slip.... :yes:and what I don't get is that this years cubs wont bite.lol...........I can tell you that preban in September a cub bit a hound and it was enough for the hound to let go and the cub made good its escape.......and it would be no use thinking a young lurcher will be different ........all im saying is if you want to start a young dog off ,.....your better waiting with your own experience until its ready...........and if that means waiting until next September for a green fox then so be it................why risk two minutes for a life time of fox killing..........people who ruin young dogs start them off at the wrong time.....the thing is people who haven't had lurchers cant wait too get out and at them pre ban / legal countries............its going to get bitten just make sure its ready.........

I made a brief observation.....you've just given a whole lecture.....there was no need... Honestly, spare me any more....

Christ whippet,more about turns than the fecking tories! You are probably right with your generalization about youngsters slipping on any fox but some did it right and picked the runs. Its the difference between shit or bust in at the deep end and entering a dog right. :thumbs:And Kranky-I wouldnt run baby rabbits,but you would pick early season green rabbits for a young dog Surely?? Same principle as with fox.

How do you pick an early season green rabbit out in the lamp? How do you differentiate between a green rabbit and an experienced one?

You have to ask?................Time of year and behaviour are clues............its about getting the dog on terms with its quarry and putting the odds in its favour as much as possible to build confidence thats the point. Carry on whichever way you choose to enter,each to their own......

I have to ask. Can you explain this to me....

 

So, it's September, I step into a field, I flick my beam around, there are 3 rabbits that could be slipped on, all feeding out in the field, they've all got there heads down and are stepping forward every so often. How do I tell which is the young, inexperienced bunny and which is the seasoned rabbit who's 2 years old?

 

With regards to the time of year, are you suggesting running rabbits in summer?

[stormyboy 1,352]

No not summer-early season-September.The seasoned one is the arse end you see disappearing into the distance.Which one do you slip on? If the rabbits are taking no notice of the lamp,chances are they are young at that time of year is it not? Unless you have access to land that is never lamped-even then they are green rabbits are they not? Thats the point. Simple.I can tell tell green rabbits from well lamped rockets or a sept cub from a wily old fox. Age is immaterial with rabbits really-they dont bite. (not often though I had a finger opened to the bone one night )

No more to say on the subject really-if you disagree with making things as easy as possible to build a youngsters confidence then good luck to you. As I said each to their own and good luck with whatever method you use.

Hope thats clear for you. Good hunting.

Edited September 15, 2013 by stormyboy

[mr scent 665]

Personally I think its either in the dog or it aint .All you can do is make sure its mentally old enough to introduce it to teeth .Enter it too young and you may ruin the dog.One more thing to add is dont give it too many doubled up or it will get used to having back up and before you know it he will start yapping or goin in and out like a yoyo

[greenman 221]

The age of the dog is more important than the age of the quarry regarding foxes in my opinion. A fair few years ago I had a well bred bull bitch, my first bull x actually, via a friend of a friend. This chap is well known for his line and had been working his dogs a lot longer than me and I'd always been after edible quarry before. His parting words to me, don't be in a hurry and don't enter her till she's ready. Being younger and knowing more than everyone else I didn't listen and ran her too soon expecting her to take the first fox like a seasoned pro, she got up on it turned it round the field for a few minutes, when Charlie got fed up he turned on her and chattered as they do she stop looked at him and he ran off. I was mortified, dog was a nail on foxes as far as I was concerned. Well I don't pass dogs on so she was brought on like the others never seeing another fox for that season and the next. She took all species of deer single handed except red ( another topic I think), retrieved rabbits all day and night to hand, is no hare dog but would pick up the odd unlucky one for the pot on the right land , I worked with ferrets to rabbit and rat, she'd do a days beating and retrieve shot feather. Towards the tail end of that second season while lamping I picked up a fox and thought f**k it why not. Straight lined it and dead before I got there. She continued to take good numbers day and night ever since. That was her first fox and an adult vixen not in its first year. Long winded I know but if its in the dog it will take them when it is ready, with rabbits, hare and deer I can accept making the catching as easy as possible for a young to to gain experience, but if they run a fox they need to be mentally ready to get bitten.