Air Rifle Licensing Debate, Airgun Licensing

[webster 90]

Is their a time scale for the licence implementation yet or is it still pie in the sky for now ?

[barrywhite 282]

I'm proud to call myself scottish but this crap is just their to make the scottish government look powerfull when really they are still puppets to Downing Street .

Its good to see you manage to still blame the English for what a Scott voted in by the Scott s is going to do to the Scott s .If a rabid nationalist is still working for the English I guess there no hope for any one.

[pianoman 3,587]

I've never heard of anyone wiping out a school full of children, holding-up a bank or post office, or a fatal drive-by shooting with an air rifle. Much less an air pistol. Not to say some tit hasn't tried. But I've never heard of such crimes with airguns.

 

I know of one instance where a baby was shot in the head and killed by a cretin shooting one on an estate and a young lad accidentally killed by his pal by a close-range shot from an Air Arms PCP belonging to the dead boy's father. An act of mindless ignorance on one hand and unfortunate and tragic accident caused by blithe ignorance of the rifle's loaded conditon on the other. Licencing would have done what?

 

And in answer to the Scottish MPs smug question, Yes. I DO know exactly what it is like to be shot with an air rifle. That was my cousin and his Relum Tornado .22 underlever when I was about 10 years old. He shot me in the face and I've still got the slug in there!

 

He's not a criminal. He's a pillock and he did what he did regardless of whether his air rifle was licenced or not. He smashed the rifle up with an axe and never touched a gun of any kind ever since.

 

This whole motion is being tabled by the fear of something without solid experience or learning behind it. Only "Consultations" probably gleaned from ignorant and unqualified sources with no real idea themselves. A bit like most of the none-shooting population of the country.

 

Maybe if our politicians had worked harder to ensure everyone had a proper education and a reasonable level of intelligent thinking as a result; and hadn't allowed selfish greed and ignorance of genuine need to flourish in their policy thinking; then, none of the brainless, uneducated masses of the ignored, educationally bereft, pissed up and drug-addicted classes that resulted and replaced decent working class values in people nowadays would be causing concern over air rifle mis-use!

 

Cars are licenced and so are the drivers but that doesn't stop thousands of accidents and fatal collisions being caused by morons, sober or pissed, every day.

[barrywhite 282]

I've never heard of anyone wiping out a school full of children, holding-up a bank or post office, or a fatal drive-by shooting with an air rifle. Much less an air pistol. Not to say some tit hasn't tried. But I've never heard of such crimes with airguns.

 

I know of one instance where a baby was shot in the head and killed by a cretin shooting one on an estate and a young lad accidentally killed by his pal by a close-range shot from an Air Arms PCP belonging to the dead boy's father. An act of mindless ignorance on one hand and unfortunate and tragic accident caused by blithe ignorance of the rifle's loaded conditon on the other. Licencing would have done what?

 

And in answer to the Scottish MPs smug question, Yes. I DO know exactly what it is like to be shot with an air rifle. That was my cousin and his Relum Tornado .22 underlever when I was about 10 years old. He shot me in the face and I've still got the slug in there!

 

He's not a criminal. He's a pillock and he did what he did regardless of whether his air rifle was licenced or not. He smashed the rifle up with an axe and never touched a gun of any kind ever since.

 

This whole motion is being tabled by the fear of something without solid experience or learning behind it. Only "Consultations" probably gleaned from ignorant and unqualified sources with no real idea themselves. A bit like most of the none-shooting population of the country.

 

Maybe if our politicians had worked harder to ensure everyone had a proper education and a reasonable level of intelligent thinking as a result; and hadn't allowed selfish greed and ignorance of genuine need to flourish in their policy thinking; then, none of the brainless, uneducated masses of the ignored, educationally bereft, pissed up and drug-addicted classes that resulted and replaced decent working class values in people nowadays would be causing concern over air rifle mis-use!

 

Cars are licenced and so are the drivers but that doesn't stop thousands of accidents and fatal collisions being caused by morons, sober or pissed, every day.

making the world safe for children is what the politicians chant to get elected .If you suggest that they are talking rubbish , that means you want to kill babies ,as demonstrated by the portly gent shot with an air gun .The argument gets deflected the more you justify air guns the more you condone the killing of children . Politicians use peoples emotions to gain control of there minds and get that x . If the project goes wrong then the people that voted are to blame because thats what they wanted ,if the project is a success then we can thank the wonderful politician .

[pianoman 3,587]

I'm not sure I understand the thrust or emphasis of your reasoning here Barry....Particularly the bit about an apparent want to kill babies ? It isn't a very pleasant thing to say or helpful of a debate here sir.

 

I was shot myself, but, my objection to airgun licencing does not infer a desire to get shot again!

 

The point I was trying to make is, nothing can be done to stop the acts of criminals, idiots and nutcases by legislation alone. Only the law-abiding citizen will obey whatever the law says. If we all did that, there would be no criminal behaviour. Would there? .

Edited September 10, 2013 by pianoman

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Simple fact of the matter is that the UK wants all guns banned, or restricted.

 

Good people don't need laws, to tell them how to behave. Bad people won't follow them, anyway.

[MickC 1,825]

There has been some tragic deeds done with air guns but Its not about incidents with air guns its about the money,simple as that. There is probably millions of air guns out there in circulation in Britain. By bringing in a compulsory licence for air gun owners the Government will generate millions of pounds in revenue as theses licences will not be free of charge. For the amount of air guns out there the amount of incidents is very small.

[slave 33]

There has been some tragic deeds done with air guns but Its not about incidents with air guns its about the money,simple as that. There is probably millions of air guns out there in circulation in Britain. By bringing in a compulsory licence for air gun owners the Government will generate millions of pounds in revenue as theses licences will not be free of charge. For the amount of air guns out there the amount of incidents is very small.

The Basc speaker at the debate estimated the cost of a licence to the applicant of £50 but it will cost the police £200 to issue each license so it will not generate any revenue.

[barrywhite 282]

I'm not sure I understand the thrust or emphasis of your reasoning here Barry....Particularly the bit about an apparent want to kill babies ? It isn't a very pleasant thing to say or helpful of a debate here sir.

 

I was shot myself, but, my objection to airgun licencing does not infer a desire to get shot again!

 

The point I was trying to make is, nothing can be done to stop the acts of criminals, idiots and nutcases by legislation alone. Only the law-abiding citizen will obey whatever the law says. If we all did that, there would be no criminal behaviour. Would there? .

what I was trying to say is when children being killed is used in the debate as the reason for controlling guns then any one defending guns also APPEARS to defends the killing of children .Gun equals dead children if you want a gun you want dead children you cannot argue ,any common scents is lost to the emotion generated by a dead child .This hole air gun ban ..control thing is Dunblane ...tony got political glory from that .....then and now Andrew Morton 2 year old [baby] small child ..this is all about killing children or using the deaths of children for political gain...............just noticed portly was the bloke shot in his finger and god forbid his rosett

Edited September 10, 2013 by barrywhite

[ChrisJones 7,975]

The Basc speaker at the debate estimated the cost of a licence to the applicant of £50 but it will cost the police £200 to issue each license so it will not generate any revenue.

 

It's a typical government run system. Blinding bureaucracy making more money, for the few. Everyone in the country will be paying for this, one way or another.

 

what I was trying to say is when children being killed is used in the debate as the reason for controlling guns then any one defending guns also APPEARS to defends the killing of children .Gun equals dead children if you want a gun you want dead children you cannot argue ,any common scents is lost to the emotion generated by a dead child .This hole air gun ban ..control thing is Dunblane ...tony got political glory from that .....then and now Andrew Morton 2 year old [baby] small child ..this is all about killing children or using the deaths of children for political gain.

 

Pretty much, look how Peees Moogan (deliberately mis-spelled for the search engines) has been using that argument to wind up the Americans. It's about restriction. Making it so difficult that the average person just won't bother in the first place. A stealth ban.

 

When the Brocock system, was being put on ticket, the media worded it as an out and out airgun ban. Poor journalism. Poor wording. The airgun shops were inundated with calls, from the public, asking if they could sell/hand in their guns because they believed they were going to be banned.

 

Bottom line is that the majority of the public don't care. They don't see a need for an airgun. Therefore why should you have one? This token piece of paper just confirms what they've believed all along. All guns are bad and the only reason you could possibly want one is for evil. The media have bombarded them, with that message, as long as they've been alive.

 

If this passes the nationwide version is inevitable.

Edited September 10, 2013 by ChrisJones

[barrywhite 282]

The big scary thing is when the law is passed there will be a load of guns that no one wants or cant use legally .So people who dont really want an air gun or dont care what happens to air gun owners ,may find them selves in possession of a now throw away item and just have a bit of fun before putting the gun in the bin creating the problem they wish to stop .The news papers and antis at the bbc ext will have a field day the bad press will affect use down south.

[MickC 1,825]

 

There has been some tragic deeds done with air guns but Its not about incidents with air guns its about the money,simple as that. There is probably millions of air guns out there in circulation in Britain. By bringing in a compulsory licence for air gun owners the Government will generate millions of pounds in revenue as theses licences will not be free of charge. For the amount of air guns out there the amount of incidents is very small.

 

The Basc speaker at the debate estimated the cost of a licence to the applicant of £50 but it will cost the police £200 to issue each license so it will not generate any revenue.

It costs nothing at the moment to own an airgun apart from the purchase price unless you get it given. If they make us pay for a Licence then they are generating revenue as it is something we have had for free but now have to pay for the privilege. The licence will also need renewing every x amount of years bringing in more money,the government may lay out more money at the start but they will get it back in the long run no doubt about that, jmo.

[barrywhite 282]

also some of the people in the vid say air guns bring youngsters into shooting so they learn safety before they move onto the big stuff [paraphrasing]....THE WRONG ANSWER....no guns at all is the correct answer well only guns fore the top in society .Air guns are a gateway gun, god knows how many people I have met and have never shot a gun , shoot an air gun and soon get or want to get a shotgun.

[webster 90]

 

I'm proud to call myself scottish but this crap is just their to make the scottish government look powerfull when really they are still puppets to Downing Street .

 

Its good to see you manage to still blame the English for what a Scott voted in by the Scott s is going to do to the Scott s .If a rabid nationalist is still working for the English I guess there no hope for any one.

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Not meant to sound anti English sorry ,its just the scottish government have no real power and this is a sad attempt at looking big and daunting when all they are really doing is picking on the little guy .

[pianoman 3,587]

Ah, now I see Barry. With hindsight I figured that's the kind of point you were making. It's true that there is nothing like the death of a child to galvanise favourable debate about banning/outlawing the item that caused the death in the first place. A lot easier than admitting that, criminal behaviour will never be tackled by laws and licenses and banning orders.

 

Air rifles are indeed gateway guns. At least, these guns are an easy, inexpensive way to get into shooting as a sport enjoyed by many thousands, if not millions of people throughout the land. And they are a delight to own and shoot with in their own right. I am not the only person who holds firearm and shotgun licences yet, still loves to be out on summer evenings with a trusty air rifle, a tin of pellets and the peace and calm of the countryside around me.

 

If licensing for my air rifles becomes a legal requirement to hold them, then, fair enough, I'll get them licensed.

 

But that wont stop or prevent any further outrages by bloody nutcases and criminals.