ChrisJones 7,975 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 The russians have and always will be very secretive as far as the inner runnings of there country. its a form of democracy they practise over there. agree with chris,the cold war ended but there not a forgiven bunch is the russians,they got a red face on the world stage when they got there arses handed to them in afghanastan,and they knew exactly where the blame lay for that fiasco lol aye poke that f*****g bear at your peril right enough.They dont give a f**k how many of there troops fall they will keep coming,public opinion over there does not dictate policy.They just do as there told and happy if they make it through the day. The old Soviet Union never ratified the Geneva Convention. They wouldn't play by the rules. Why anyone would think they would now, considering that the old ways are still running the new country, is quite baffling. We have 11 years of depleted military budget, battle fatigue, and total lack of public will to be involved. While I'm not particularly frightened of big Vlad I think he knows how the west is and is simply calling it like it is. It makes him look good on the international circuit. Don't think a giant pipe line from Persia to Russia isn't being worked out. Nuclear weapons ensure nothing real serious kicks off. The Russian forces are mostly conscripts, they are also aware that conscripts ain't shit when compared with a regular voluntary force. They might try something small, a proxy war if you will as occurred throughout the Cold War years, but no way would they face NATO in toe to toe combat. We have the training but they've always had the numbers. If they keep the Chinese onside I think it would be suicide for the west to go all out and provoke them. Russia provides fuel and weapons. China is the biggest trading market on the planet. The only thing, I believe, that has kept them from using military muscle is trade. Their economy is booming and they realize that they'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Take that incentive away, and then what? Why cant we be more like Austria, S'land, Norway , Sweden, Canada even keep our noses out it's cheaper and you get less bother on the world stage. Just a thought. Isolation? We still have a duty to remain relevant in the international arena, but also have to balance that with the will of the people at home. Cameron wants re-election, same as any MP. He will do whatever it takes to secure that re-election. War or not. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 The Chinese and Russians ain't the best of friends, far from it.. The Cold War was often portrayed here as East vs West, Communist vs Capitalist, USA vs USSR, or Reds vs Blue. It weren't, China have hated Russia ever since Khrushchev was in charge there because they saw him as a traitor with the version of communism he led by. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 The Chinese and Russians ain't the best of friends, far from it.. The Cold War was often portrayed here as East vs West, Communist vs Capitalist, USA vs USSR, or Reds vs Blue. It weren't, China have hated Russia ever since Khrushchev was in charge there because they saw him as a traitor with the version of communism he led by. True but the enemy, of my enemy, is my friend! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dosser 52 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) Well feck me 30 seconds on google, and at the top of the page confirms what I wrote above http://www.hoax-slayer.com/putin-duma-speech-sharia-law.shtml Fair play to you for doing a bit of research mate, looks like someone used some poetic license ? It Could almost have been based on this speech, which gives more or less the same message ? http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/uk-russia-putin-idUKBRE8BB0JF20121212 Edited September 7, 2013 by Dosser Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted September 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 some how I cant see Russia being defeated by a lone Vulcan bomber if it ever kicked off. I think putin and Cameron should sort the differences by going toe to toe, bare bellies instead of whinning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
titan 109 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Statistically the number of drunks in Russia is a staggering 89% ! glasnost my friend Which when sober means "Get Lost" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Well according to a lad i know based in Cyprus there's a Russian warship in Limassol bay and a French warship in Larnaca bay both with 'special cargo' for Syria Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,780 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Big G, vanguard class subs carry our nukes not retired vulcans. Chris, numbers of conscripts count for jack shit against highly trained and experienced professional troops. History has proven that more than once. You also say we are battle fatigued, I would say battle hardened. Our forces today have the battle experience often lacked in previous decades. Scot, I never said Russia were push overs, I said they have more sense than to face NATO. Russia getting brave like that would unite the west IMO. No country wants to see a Russia once again hell bent on becoming a superpower. Jmo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Chris, numbers of conscripts count for jack shit against highly trained and experienced professional troops. History has proven that more than once. You also say we are battle fatigued, I would say battle hardened. Our forces today have the battle experience often lacked in previous decades. Fair comments, BH, but I disagree that we can keep drawing from the well, over and over, without replenishing it. Who would pay for another conflict? Will the British public allow another open ended war? The current campaigns were founded on political bullshit, and the stresses and strains of such commitments are beginning to show. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,780 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Absolutely, but a war with Russia wouldn't just be 'another war', it'd be the war to end all wars. My only point was I don't think the Russians are that stupid, there would be no winning situation for anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Absolutely, but a war with Russia wouldn't just be 'another war', it'd be the war to end all wars. My only point was I don't think the Russians are that stupid, there would be no winning situation for anyone. Totally agree. I don't think it's anything more than international posturing, at this point. The North Koreans were doing it a while back, but their attempt was just laughable. Putin has enough of an edge to make it look convincing! My take is that both Russia and China make far more money with trade, than they will with war. They're not going to be in any great rush to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Putins not posturing its obama and the israeli lobbyist who are posturing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Putins not posturing its obama and the israeli lobbyist who are posturing They all are. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinytiger 840 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 If only we had all joined in and helped Hitler it wouldn't matter what Putin thinks cause he would be a train driver or something !! and thered be no problems in the middle east either Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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