Daystate Air Ranger Sub 12 Ft Lb 177 Or The Fac 18 Ft Lb 177

[Fernando 2]

Hi , im thinking of getting a Daystate Air Ranger 177 tactical , but im torn between the sub 12 ft lbs or the 177 18 ft lbs version , i dont want to lose accuracy by going for the fac model , i have read the 18 ft lb is good with 10 grain pellets , does anyone here have the fac Air Ranger in 177 that can reassure me i like the high power for 70 yard shots , i know its all about accuracy and i do use chairgun , i have an Air Arms TX 200 177 sub 12 and could not be happier with its performance , can any body give me advice Please , Thanks Fernando

[AR177 588]

If your going fac just go .22 you will get a flat trajectory like .177 but with better stopping power.

 

When you get into fac powers with .177 you are just going to start getting through and through shots

 

If you are set on .177 then you won't lose a great deal of accuracy until your pellets start going over 1000fps, so either 18 or 12 would be fine

[Fernando 2]

If your going fac just go .22 you will get a flat trajectory like .177 but with better stopping power.

When you get into fac powers with .177 you are just going to start getting through and through shots

If you are set on .177 then you won't lose a great deal of accuracy until your pellets start going over 1000fps, so either 18 or 12 would be fine

Thanks mate , i have read that 18 ft lb 177 is the most you should go , I'm a 177 addict , i think il go for the fac 177 nothing ventured nothing gained they say , il let you know how i get on ,All the Best

[AR177 588]

Go for it buddy, as you need a licence in Ireland no matter what power you might aswel go big, good luck

[Acuspell 329]

I ould advise AGAINST .177 in FAC - the amount of air you will use has to be taken into account. .177, even at 10 gns, is not very efficient. If you can get FAC and you want a Ranger, get the 40ft-lbs .22 version (same rifle, but the .22 runs the same velocity with heavier pellets) - you should be able to shoot a grape at yards with that.

 

The problem with .177 is the physical limit of the pellet. I know the Koreans are making very heavy pellets, but they HAVE to be long to get the weight in them. Long projectiles need more stabilising and as they slow down they start to yaw sooner than a more aerodynamic projectile. A .22 at FAC power will be just as accurate, but over a far greater range - plus the heavier pellet carries its energy much further.

 

It is your money, so you do what you like with it. I am just pointing out aspects that haven't been yet. .2 goes to 30ft-lbs quite happily and will out perform an 18ft-lb .177 in the accuracy stakes - don't believe me? Look up the results of the National Benchrest competition in South Africa - .20 at 20ft-lbs is the rifle of choice out there, because THAT is the most efficient calibre, and it is proven. Under 12ft-lbs is when .177 starts to make sense, it doesn't once you begin to increase the available power level, which FAC does.

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Keep going, you are making up my mind for me here

 

I am looking at a new daystate, and have a slot for FAC .22 I`m being more and more convinced to stick with FAC air as the arseholes in the SNP are pressing on regardless with a licensing system for airguns, so I might as well go FAC

 

I`m a .177 bloke though,, love em , but am now thinking that a 30ft/lb .22 might do the job.

 

Anyone run one, got any groupings to show what can be achieved with them ??

[andyfr1968 772]

I agree with Acuspell's post up to a point.

 

.177 at higher power may seem a little pointless to a degree but in my own experience so long as the pellet's not flying in the trans-sonic region of around 1200fps and so long as the rest of your gear's set up and working properly it should be ok.

 

Very flat shooting and very capable. Just my opinion from what I've used but I've got to say that the bigger calibers make more sense at higher powers for airguns. I do like my .20

[Fernando 2]

I ould advise AGAINST .177 in FAC - the amount of air you will use has to be taken into account. .177, even at 10 gns, is not very efficient. If you can get FAC and you want a Ranger, get the 40ft-lbs .22 version (same rifle, but the .22 runs the same velocity with heavier pellets) - you should be able to shoot a grape at yards with that.

 

The problem with .177 is the physical limit of the pellet. I know the Koreans are making very heavy pellets, but they HAVE to be long to get the weight in them. Long projectiles need more stabilising and as they slow down they start to yaw sooner than a more aerodynamic projectile. A .22 at FAC power will be just as accurate, but over a far greater range - plus the heavier pellet carries its energy much further.

 

It is your money, so you do what you like with it. I am just pointing out aspects that haven't been yet. .2 goes to 30ft-lbs quite happily and will out perform an 18ft-lb .177 in the accuracy stakes - don't believe me? Look up the results of the National Benchrest competition in South Africa - .20 at 20ft-lbs is the rifle of choice out there, because THAT is the most efficient calibre, and it is proven. Under 12ft-lbs is when .177 starts to make sense, it doesn't once you begin to increase the available power level, which FAC does.

Thanks Acuspell , you obviously know what your talking about , i think i will stick with the sub 12 ft lb 177 version , you have made my mind up , i suppose i was trying too hard to squueze the little 177 into a place where it does not need to go its just perfect the way it is and thats in a sub 12 ft lb rifle, all the Best and Thank you so much for your reply

[Elliott 436]

If you want FAC .177 take a look at an .17 HMR

[Rake aboot 4,936]

If you want FAC .177 take a look at an .17 HMR

 

 

Why ?? they do not do remotely the same job. HMR is completely unsuitable for jobs that FAC .177 would do.

[Elliott 436]

Lets be honest, what is a .177 FAC air good for, apart from overpenetrating whatever it hits?

 

If it's the flat trajectory that the op wants in .17 cal at FAC power levels then the HMR is as good as it gets, hence the suggestion.

 

If he's adamant it's FAC AIR he's after then .22 or .25 is a far better choice. IMO .177 FAC air doesn't fit anywhere

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Tell you what,, You come along to shoot ferals inside the long cowsheds with me, and bring yer HMR. See how long before the farmer has a hissy fit.

 

There is a WORLD of difference between 18ft /lbs and 245 ft /lbs , wouldn`t you say.?

[Elliott 436]

Yawn..

 

I'm not suggesting the HMR is useful to shoot pigeons in a cow shed am I? Did I not mention FAC air in 22 and 25? Calm your little self

 

Sub 12 is perfect for pigeon control, especially in outbuildings

 

My post was merely to highlight a proper FAC .17 cal instead of fannying about with .177 FAC air

[Lewis Ste 245]

Tell you what,, You come along to shoot ferals inside the long cowsheds with me, and bring yer HMR. See how long before the farmer has a hissy fit.

 

There is a WORLD of difference between 18ft /lbs and 245 ft /lbs , wouldn`t you say.?

Have got to say I haven't shot in that many barns over 40yards long where extra power is required for longer shots have you? And when have ferals been so nervous they fly on sight of people.

 

Just can't see your point of needing extra power for barn work, sub12flbs is more than enough for going straight through and pigeons head and out the otherwise where the roof is.

 

Atb bud