Air Rifle Experience Counted Towards Fac

[charlie caller 3,654]

Should not affect things mate, you had no part to play in that very sad incident, don't worry crack on with your application, shotgun, .22rf and a .22-250

[Alsone 789]

Hope you don't mind me asking but are you able to tell us what happened with your brother?

 

If my memory serves me right and you are the same user I'm associating this with, then your brother had a shotgun and had let his certificate expire by over a year and was also keeping the gun out of a cabinet and at a different address to the registered one. Just curious as to how this was sorted out.

[charlie caller 3,654]

Might be better to pm your reply to Alsone mate.

[Alsone 789]

Yeah maybe I should have Pm'ed the question. Looks like it was all sorted. Good luck on the application.

 

I agree .22-250 is a hell of a gun.

 

A lot prefer .223 because its a bit quieter and doesn't wear barrels as quickly, but personally I like .22-250 from what I've seen of it. It's also deer legal in Scotland which says something about its power.

 

I'm betting all those who can't get .223 (5,56x45) are wishing they bought .22-20 now as well. Sometimes it pays to have a little less popular calibre.

[charlie caller 3,654]

Yes it is deer legal in Scotland (Roe) and England and Wales (Muntjac Chinese water deer) and so is .222, .223, .220 swift(another hell of a calibre) a mate of mine has a .22-250 that he has had for fourteen years, and has shot hundreds of foxes, the barrel is as crisp as the day it was bought, and will shoot a half inch group with Federal factory ammo, (he does not reload) as for the difference in sound, all I can say is buy a PES/MAE over barrel moderator and your .22-250 will be plenty quiet enough, as is my .243 that is even louder than the .22-250, it is still one of the best fox and small deer rounds in the world and will be for many years to come.

[Alsone 789]

it is still one of the best fox and small deer rounds in the world and will be for many years to come.

 

Which the .243 or .22-250?

[Deker 3,478]

 

it is still one of the best fox and small deer rounds in the world and will be for many years to come.

 

Which the .243 or .22-250?

 

 

The .243!

[charlie caller 3,654]

 

it is still one of the best fox and small deer rounds in the world and will be for many years to come.

Which the .243 or .22-250?

 

Both mate lol, to be honest they are not too far apart in terms of performance, just the .243 can handle heavier bullets, so is in theory a better deer calibre,that said, a local gunshop owner used to do the council deer culling,(all reds) back in the 80s and he used nothing but a .22-250 and he swore by it and says he never had a runner all dropped with a chest or neck shot, a very potent round is the .22-250 and I would have one tomorrow if I did not have the .243.

[Deker 3,478]

I would apply for both an FAC and SGC at the same time, which if done together is £60.

 

You don't need to have previous experience or a reason to obtain a shotgun certificate so that's out of the way, with the FAC, you have the land to shoot on and "Good Reason" to possess a firearm capable of dispatching rabbits, pigeons and foxes. Experience is not a prerequisite of being granted an FAC but it obviously helps, ultimately if you have the land and reason, they cannot refuse you, unless there are secondary issues about your suitability of course.

 

Calibres, well Shotgun in 12 bore, .22LR and a .223. Personal opinion of course

 

SS

 

That's the route I'd suggest!

 

A 22-250 is no more deer legal in any part of the UK than a .223, and if you want bigger deer you will have to move up to a .243 at least anyway. If you can't stop any deer/fox at 200 yards with a .223 a 22-250 isn't going to help you, and despite what you will read, the reality is VERY few things are shot past 200yards! And if 200yards +++ is required regularly then a 243 will be the choice not a 22-250 anyway!

 

Get what best suits you!

[charlie caller 3,654]

Very true, I would suggest most foxes are shot @ between 50 -120 yards, with the odd one past the 200-250 yards mark, so in reality a .222 (super accurate round) and one I prefer to .223 would do the job very well and as the .222 is not quite as poplar as the ever so trendy .223 you can pick some real bargains up secondhand.

[Alsone 789]

 

 

it is still one of the best fox and small deer rounds in the world and will be for many years to come.

Which the .243 or .22-250?

 

Both mate lol, to be honest they are not too far apart in terms of performance, just the .243 can handle heavier bullets, so is in theory a better deer calibre,that said, a local gunshop owner used to do the council deer culling,(all reds) back in the 80s and he used nothing but a .22-250 and he swore by it and says he never had a runner all dropped with a chest or neck shot, a very potent round is the .22-250 and I would have one tomorrow if I did not have the .243.

 

 

Yeah I know its potent. I've walked around ith someone who had one before. I came across this recently, penetration test on .22-250.

 

1/4 inch steel and 3-4 inch wood, straight through the lot.

 

Destroys concrete block as well.

 

 

 

This 2nd video shows the real destruction power of .22-250, literally cuts these ground hogs in two at 200yds.

 

 

 

My friend got .223 but then again he had a strategy - he wanted something heavier for deer so deliberately stayed away from .243 to leave himself open to apply for .30-06. Not sure why he stayed away from .22-250, noise I think.

 

Personally, I've always like .22-250.

[The Seeker 3,048]

IMO The perfect combination .22 rf, .223 and 6.5 x55 swe. That's the conclusion I came to anyway, A rifle for almost all occasions. I also have a .17 HMR but never found a need for it.

[Deker 3,478]

Very true, I would suggest most foxes are shot @ between 50 -120 yards, with the odd one past the 200-250 yards mark, so in reality a .222 (super accurate round) and one I prefer to .223 would do the job very well and as the .222 is not quite as poplar as the ever so trendy .223 you can pick some real bargains up secondhand.

 

I really don't know but I too would suggest that as an average that is pretty close. PERSONALLY most of mine are under 100 yards and a whole load about 7-25 yards as I knock down a fair few in peoples gardens. Just the same I get out on a very wide variety of sites and take the odd opportunist fox at distance, although even on the biggest sites it is usually possible to bait or track and get pretty close. I have certainly taken a handful of fox over 200-250 yards, but I'm struggling to remember any over 300 yards, if I have it is no more than 1 or 2. I know some people do take them at these distances, and further, but they tend to be the exception.

 

....and yeah, the .222 is a great, accurate sweet and easy calibre, .223 just edges it overall for me though!

[Alsone 789]

IMO The perfect combination .22 rf, .223 and 6.5 x55 swe. That's the conclusion I came to anyway, A rifle for almost all occasions. I also have a .17 HMR but never found a need for it.

 

Bit off topic as the OP isn't going deer hunting, but personally I can't see a reason to recommend 6.5x55 swe. Its big and slow. .30-06 is the fastest most powerful cartridge below having to show Big Games as good reason ie its the most powerful deer and below calibre closely followed by .270, which some prefer because its that little bit flatter shooting, has less recoil and quite similar in to .30-06 in many aspects. .30-06 also goes up to 220 grains which is a large bullet by any standards.

 

I would suggest that for anyone hunting large deer, .30-06 or .270 are probably the front runners.

 

Personally I also see little use these days for .22rf unless you need a quiet gun for built up areas in which case it simply can't be beaten with factory ammunition. .17 hmr is far more gun in the rimfire package so if you don't need silence, offers far more range and flexibility. (I know this last one is a more controversial view as some love .22).

[Its_grim_up_norf 577]

just curious lads, if i wanted a cabinet that held rifles also (as i will be applying for FAC at the same time hopefully) would a rifle cabinet hold shotguns...as i know i will need room for the scope to put rifles in it, but is that the only difference? a bit more room for a scope? shotguns would fit in wouldnt they..?