All The Gear...yet...no Idea!!!

[Trev3006 4]

Indeed Darryl.

 

I think this whole piece is the work of Miles Johannesburg AKA Milegajo (and I'm not convinced the surname is genuine either.) and, in all honesty, it is revealing a mind that needs psychiatric help. There is a deep compulsion to post long-winded nonesense on this forum in aliases and guises and what he posts is utter nonesense to provoke a reaction. And he gets one...of ridicule and a laughing stock. And this is just his latest manifestation.

 

I actually know more than I let on about shooting in Africa. Who can, who can't and where you can. He is not remotely convincing of anyone who has shot and works as a Safari guide,,,,from Kent?

 

He has not mentioned the one and only African state where he can legitimately carry a hunting rifle. And a very rare few bother with an air rifle over there. A small game popgun is a .22 rimfire to African pest shooters on the farms! Nobody with access to such an impressive array of full-bore sporting rifles would use an air rifle to shoot a fox. Really? Come on...He has still not explained why there is an illegally shot Giraffe on his avatar, he cannot be carrying a rifle all day everyday in any African state and are we really to believe he would be involved in working in a lucrative African shooting safari outfit from a home in Kent!

 

That's without the rubbish about the importance shooting an air rifle on a moving track on the target with pin-point accuracy.

 

You will be reading all these responses Miles or Mike or whatever/whoever you are today. So, respectfully now;......

 

you need professional help.....

 

Best wishes.

Simon

Simon, you know more than you let on re:hunting in Africa??? Really Simon the info your quoting is not accurate in the slightest...I simply ask that members of this forum s look up the various Game Ordinances for SA for themselves, read through it and make your own deductions on Simon's so called knowledge on what can or cant be hunted and in which areas and by whom! The Professional Hunters Assoc. of South Africa (PHASA) can supply any info you require when looking into hunting in Southern Africa from Temporary Import Permits (TIP's) for rifles, licenses, permits etc. Cant hunt giraffe legaly??? Unbelievable comment!!! With all the documentation in place rhino for example can still be hunted legally by sportsmen and sportswomen as can elephant, lion, leopard etc. Get your facts correct, its comments like this that give the anti's misinformation and lets them think that hunters shoot whatever they want when ever they feel like it! Regarding your pop gun chirp, I agree most of us use rimfires, I happened to be carrying my air rifle at the time and felt that I could make a clean kill! Once again the Professional Culling License covers the holder, in this case ME, to use various aspects of hunting with otherwise illegal means ie: from a vehicle, at night with an artificial light and using a smaller cal. than legally required by normal hunters for the shooting of game animals incl. vermin! Strange???...with your vast knowledge of African law I would have thought you would have known this! No game animal may be hunted with any rimfire in most provinces, in most cases a .243 or 6mm is the lightest cal. deemed appropriate although for certain small to med. game a .222, 220Swift or .22-250 is used for long range culling. I as a matter of fact use my Marlin .22WMR for a lot of culling due the fact that it has a 10 round tubular mag making the shooting of multiple herd animals fast and as silently as possible, again only within sensible ranges and taking only head shots. Again the vehicle shooting law is not upheld in all provinces but in KZN no shot may be taken within 200m of a vehicle, hunters that drive around shooting game incl. clients even in provinces that allow it are despised by me as its not fair chase, they term "Diesel Stalking" is one you will hear ethical PH's moaning about around the campfire!!!

 

Regards

Trevor

Edited September 6, 2013 by Trev3006

[socks 32,253]

I haven't read the whole thread just this last bit but I know for a fact you can shoot giraffe in Africa .......

[Trev3006 4]

Socks!! I really like your "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went"...What a classic one liner, certainly hits home for me!

[Lewis Ste 245]

Yeah sounds like you know what your on about il give you that, and I only read the first two paragraphs lmao

 

Atb bud

[zini 1,939]

Ken,

 

Ill be in contact with you in a week or so buddy ref the place.

 

Me and Davy are up for another crack. Hopefully this time all is clear with the venue and that its not double booked.

 

Si.

Edited September 6, 2013 by zini

[socks 32,253]

No worries mate, I did send you a pm explaining that I spoke to the head man and he apologised and assures me there is nothing else going on there for the rest of the year so your all clear to shoot any weekend ........

[Trev3006 4]

 

This comment is something we hear often in Professional Hunters conversations around the camp fire in Southern Africa, as a PH myself I have seen this phenomenon all to often out on Safari in Africa and I must say it is fairly common here in the UK to some extent when hunting with an air rifle. It is my humble opinion that to much emphasis is put on equipment and not enough on actual field craft and rifle handling! I am a BSA fan, have been since i was a 9yrs old and my dad handed me my .177 Meteor to sharpen my skills, open sights and basic pellets...I recall keeping my pointed pellets seperate for those "Big Game" shots on ducks and geese!!! Anyhow that was many moons ago, I now own two BSA rifles here in the UK both BSA's, an Ultra in .22 and a Scorpion SE in .177, the latter being my primary vermin rifle!

 

On most forums and you tube videos I see guys shooting over a bench or bipod shooting one hole clusters at 25-30 yards and being as pleased as punch with their shooting, occasionally they push this out to 40-50 yards but thats about it, still off a bench/bipod. Any reasonable shooter with their rifle/pellet combination dialled in can achieve this, not a great feat in my opinion. Both my rifles shoot slightly over pellet sized clusters with their preferred pellets and once they are sighted thats it done and dusted, I then practise shooting from various positions not on a bench/bipod and spend most of my time shooting free hand. So far this season I have shot 69 woodies, 73 rabbits and five squirrels, two of my friends who join me on these shoots are stunned by my numbers when they battle to get anything. The answer is simple...they spend to much time trying to get set up and comfortable and by the time they are ready to squeeze off a shot the target has moved off, both battle with range estimation and it costs them dearly in the field. Both shoot well on the range but fail to produce the goods in the field because the are not honing the techniques needed to shoot fast without the help of bipods and rangefinders etc. On our last trip, yesterday, to the range I showed the a useful technique which I would like to share with you all now. Take two rabbit targets at 30 meters, the first one shoot at your own time free hand "No rest" whatsoever and fire ten shots! Now onto target number two, shoot ten shots as fast as possible but using this technique, aim at the base of the target and move up the target until you reach the vitals and squeeze off the shot, reload and repeat DO NOT try and hold your point of aim on the vital/kill area simply move the crosshair through the target like a shotgun shooter does with a clay target, find the line move up follow through and squeeze of a shot...do this fast though...no time to over think the shot or try and aim at a pin point spot on the target which takes time...the more time the more you will end up shaking like a leaf. Now compare group sizes, both my friends could not believe the results they achieved after a few runs shooting fast!!! Give it a go and let me know what you think?

 

 

Matt and Andrew, my shooting mates, have in fact now also bought Scorpion SE's in .177 and judging by how most Scorpions perform with JSB Exact pellets I think they are going to love their new rifle's performance, all three of us shoot sub 20mm 10 shot groups at fifty with my rifle. As a PH from Africa I live carrying a rifle for most of the year and when I am required to use my 458 Win Mag or 470 double rifle there is no time for messing around...you shoot free hand...so thats what I practise! It works for me and has helped Matt and Andrew so hopefully some hunters on this forum may benefit from the above technique?

 

PS...if your ever planning to hunt out in Africa take your most trusted rifle do not buy a new TURBO charged model that you can only shoot comfortably with a muzzle break...a muzzle break is a sure fire way of telling your PH that you are afraid of your rifles recoil, I have seen it many times...if your hunting plains game then take your trusty 270, 308 or 30-06 not a 338 or 375 with a muzzle break! A well placed bullet from a rifle you love is better than ten poorly placed shots from a cannon you battle to control! Just my humble opinion!

 

You all take care and hunt safely and responsibly!

Cheers Trev

Give it a go and let you know what I think? Okay then 'Trev'.

 

This is a genuine post isn't it?

 

Shooting freehand? Really? As a spring rifle shooter I agree with you about using freehand. It's just the complete and utter bullshit the rest of the thread is made up of, I have a problem with. It's all lies and crap! You are taking the piss aren't you!

 

I've edited out my long-winded explanations as to why you are full of crap. I rather think the gentlemen of this forum would rather love you to go on digging a deeper hole explaining why I'm wrong, you are right and you can prove every word you say to be true!

 

Can't you "Trev!"

 

Edited to add.

 

Interesting avatar you use. Considering Giraffe and the vast majority of African wildlife are protected under the Wildlife and Game laws of all African states. Only the licenced Game Wardens have the authority to humanely shoot the lame and the sick; and then, only after the approval of the park's senior Vet where no other course of action can be practically made. So what do you do out there that requires you to wander about the bush with a rifle in your hand almost daily? Hunting safari has been banned for decades. The last great "Big Game" hunting safari was banned in 1974. And only one State today offers controlled shooting under a very expensive licence. So if your business is taking rich American dentists out to bag a bloody Water buffalo for £8,000 for just one shot, in this one, remaining place, what are you doing fannying about the fields of England pinging foxes with an air rifle and posting sheer bloody lunacy on an airgun forum?

 

You make no mention of being a Warden. Care to explain how you came to be shooting this animal, LEGALLY? Or is that not you in the pic? Or did these two "White Hunters" happen to come upon it having a kip and one of you took the pic..before it woke up and kicked you all to next week? Unlike that poor bloody fox you claim to have shot with you airgun. Whatever, in both instances it is illegal and it is OFFENSIVE! But, reassuringly, it's probably bollocks too.

 

Just another thought?! Water buffalo...in Africa? This coming from someone who and I quote "Knows more about hunting in Africa than I let on", Simon...Water Buffalo are not found on the African continent! Cape Buffalo yes indeed, Water Buffalo are hunted in Australia by sportsman from around the world, in Aus they are an introduced Asian species that is considered invasive in some areas as are camels and feral pigs. £8000.00 will get you a fine Cape Buffalo...that's just the trophy fee not the entire hunt...but of course you know this as it makes up part of your vast African Safari knowledge! My only advice for you is that you should think before you accuse, comment and attempt to make out that you know more than you actually do on a specific topic, for the record I have included a link to this topic for some of the lads from PHASA, SCI (Safari Club International) and DSC (Dallas Safari Club) so I eagerly await their thoughts on your vast knowledge...please remember you asked for confirmation of my so called experience. "Pianoman" I honestly feel you have if anything done yourself a disservice with some of your comments because quite frankly all it shows is just how little you know regrading African hunting and every person who knows better will be chuckling to themselves, as for me preaching gospel to old dab hands it seems in your case you need some education and fact may just need an egg to suck on. Regarding the technique your ridiculed if you took the time to have a few aimed shots free hand, most new shooters (again not aimed at you, just checking mate before you get your pants in a bunch) take to long, as you should know the longer you take the more erratic the movement becomes, try it out you would notice that muscle memory and choosing a line to follow and then fire is more a consistent method and your group size should decrease! I am not talking about hitting a pin point spot on a target rather at becoming proficient at getting shots into the kill zone, we are after all talking about close range work shooting free hand. This technique is used by ISPC shooters world wide as well as speed shooting silhouette shooters and is adaptable for rifle, handgun and shotgun.

 

Regards

Trevor

Edited September 6, 2013 by Trev3006

[Mister Gain 1,764]

Trevor,

Thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts, very interesting.

I think I will have to give your suggested 'moving through the target' method a try. I usually shoot off the bipod for accuracy, if I try standing shots, I take too long to get the crosshairs steady enough, and by then the target is invariably gone. Same applies if I try to get prone, by the time I'm down it's gone. Think I'll knock up a couple of life-sized wooden bunny targets and see how we go.

[Trev3006 4]

Mister Gain

Thank you for your comment, something else which is very important for this shooting method is to not have your magnification setting to high on your scope. I always shoot on 6x magnification when in the field which I find to be manageable to control, the higher the magnification the more your movement is magnified as well! Personally I find that if I put the crosshairs at the base of the rabbit target and then breathe in it raises the rifles point of aim and I squeeze off the shot as soon as the crosshairs reach the head, this with practise is a very fast shooting technique with better consistency than trying to simply hold on the head/kill zone. I practise as often as possible and as we all know when in the field those rabbits pop up out of nowhere and only give you a few seconds, try starting at 20m I would suggest first fire a five or ten shot aimed group taking as long as you normally would to be as accurate as you can, then try shooting this method and give yourself a two sec count to fire your shot reload fast and repeat again, practise a few groups and let me know what you think! Cheers Buddy and good hunting.

Cheers Trev

[Mister Gain 1,764]

Thanks Trevor

I normally use x5 magnification when hunting. I don't normally shoot over about 40 yards, so it is ideal mag. to use. Due to my small garden I can only practise on arrival at the orchard at my zero of 27 yards and varying distances, so I will have some time to sort out the targets.

[villaman 9,983]

I just cant see this type of shooting working with less than a 20 mm kill zone to hit with a airgun

[matt johnson 0]

Hi everyone.

 

I am new to this forum so I hope to learn extra tips and techniques from everyone.

 

I am a good mate of trevs, he recommended I join. Not to 'ruffle fethers' but I can assure you all that he is speaking the truth. I shoot with trev on a regular basis.

 

I am ex military and have spent time in Kenya training kenyan forces in anti poaching so I have a rough idia what I am talking about. The previously mentioned shooting technique of rising to a target in a breath works to a tee. It is tried and tested world wide!

 

Cheets all.

Matt

[Mister Gain 1,764]

I just cant see this type of shooting working with less than a 20 mm kill zone to hit with a airgun

 

I don't know whether it will afford me the accuracy needed for dispatch of live quarry, or not, but I will give it a go on a static target to find out... If it doesn't, nothing lost, I'll be back to shooting off the bipod... but at least I will have tried it and will know either way..

[Tyla 3,179]

 

This comment is something we hear often in Professional Hunters conversations around the camp fire in Southern Africa, as a PH myself I have seen this phenomenon all to often out on Safari in Africa and I must say it is fairly common here in the UK to some extent when hunting with an air rifle. It is my humble opinion that to much emphasis is put on equipment and not enough on actual field craft and rifle handling! I am a BSA fan, have been since i was a 9yrs old and my dad handed me my .177 Meteor to sharpen my skills, open sights and basic pellets...I recall keeping my pointed pellets seperate for those "Big Game" shots on ducks and geese!!! Anyhow that was many moons ago, I now own two BSA rifles here in the UK both BSA's, an Ultra in .22 and a Scorpion SE in .177, the latter being my primary vermin rifle!

 

On most forums and you tube videos I see guys shooting over a bench or bipod shooting one hole clusters at 25-30 yards and being as pleased as punch with their shooting, occasionally they push this out to 40-50 yards but thats about it, still off a bench/bipod. Any reasonable shooter with their rifle/pellet combination dialled in can achieve this, not a great feat in my opinion. Both my rifles shoot slightly over pellet sized clusters with their preferred pellets and once they are sighted thats it done and dusted, I then practise shooting from various positions not on a bench/bipod and spend most of my time shooting free hand. So far this season I have shot 69 woodies, 73 rabbits and five squirrels, two of my friends who join me on these shoots are stunned by my numbers when they battle to get anything. The answer is simple...they spend to much time trying to get set up and comfortable and by the time they are ready to squeeze off a shot the target has moved off, both battle with range estimation and it costs them dearly in the field. Both shoot well on the range but fail to produce the goods in the field because the are not honing the techniques needed to shoot fast without the help of bipods and rangefinders etc. On our last trip, yesterday, to the range I showed the a useful technique which I would like to share with you all now. Take two rabbit targets at 30 meters, the first one shoot at your own time free hand "No rest" whatsoever and fire ten shots! Now onto target number two, shoot ten shots as fast as possible but using this technique, aim at the base of the target and move up the target until you reach the vitals and squeeze off the shot, reload and repeat DO NOT try and hold your point of aim on the vital/kill area simply move the crosshair through the target like a shotgun shooter does with a clay target, find the line move up follow through and squeeze of a shot...do this fast though...no time to over think the shot or try and aim at a pin point spot on the target which takes time...the more time the more you will end up shaking like a leaf. Now compare group sizes, both my friends could not believe the results they achieved after a few runs shooting fast!!! Give it a go and let me know what you think?

 

 

Matt and Andrew, my shooting mates, have in fact now also bought Scorpion SE's in .177 and judging by how most Scorpions perform with JSB Exact pellets I think they are going to love their new rifle's performance, all three of us shoot sub 20mm 10 shot groups at fifty with my rifle. As a PH from Africa I live carrying a rifle for most of the year and when I am required to use my 458 Win Mag or 470 double rifle there is no time for messing around...you shoot free hand...so thats what I practise! It works for me and has helped Matt and Andrew so hopefully some hunters on this forum may benefit from the above technique?

 

PS...if your ever planning to hunt out in Africa take your most trusted rifle do not buy a new TURBO charged model that you can only shoot comfortably with a muzzle break...a muzzle break is a sure fire way of telling your PH that you are afraid of your rifles recoil, I have seen it many times...if your hunting plains game then take your trusty 270, 308 or 30-06 not a 338 or 375 with a muzzle break! A well placed bullet from a rifle you love is better than ten poorly placed shots from a cannon you battle to control! Just my humble opinion!

 

You all take care and hunt safely and responsibly!

Cheers Trev

Give it a go and let you know what I think? Okay then 'Trev'.

 

This is a genuine post isn't it?

 

Shooting freehand? Really? As a spring rifle shooter I agree with you about using freehand. It's just the complete and utter bullshit the rest of the thread is made up of, I have a problem with. It's all lies and crap! You are taking the piss aren't you!

 

I've edited out my long-winded explanations as to why you are full of crap. I rather think the gentlemen of this forum would rather love you to go on digging a deeper hole explaining why I'm wrong, you are right and you can prove every word you say to be true!

 

Can't you "Trev!"

 

Edited to add.

 

Interesting avatar you use. Considering Giraffe and the vast majority of African wildlife are protected under the Wildlife and Game laws of all African states. Only the licenced Game Wardens have the authority to humanely shoot the lame and the sick; and then, only after the approval of the park's senior Vet where no other course of action can be practically made. So what do you do out there that requires you to wander about the bush with a rifle in your hand almost daily? Hunting safari has been banned for decades. The last great "Big Game" hunting safari was banned in 1974. And only one State today offers controlled shooting under a very expensive licence. So if your business is taking rich American dentists out to bag a bloody Water buffalo for £8,000 for just one shot, in this one, remaining place, what are you doing fannying about the fields of England pinging foxes with an air rifle and posting sheer bloody lunacy on an airgun forum?

 

You make no mention of being a Warden. Care to explain how you came to be shooting this animal, LEGALLY? Or is that not you in the pic? Or did these two "White Hunters" happen to come upon it having a kip and one of you took the pic..before it woke up and kicked you all to next week? Unlike that poor bloody fox you claim to have shot with you airgun. Whatever, in both instances it is illegal and it is OFFENSIVE! But, reassuringly, it's probably bollocks too.

 

 

Please tell me where you got this information?

 

I have lived and hunted in several parts of Africa and what you are saying is simply untrue. Hunting in Africa is dependant on the individual laws of each country but most allow hunting, subsistence and big game, outside national parks. Usually large areas, known as concessions, are leased out by the government to Safari Companies how pay a fee for the concession and then per trophy. This is then sold on to, usually international, clients. The position of professional hunter is exactly as it sounds, they have to pass a fairly rigorous, depending on where they are, qualification system and are licenced by the government to take out hunting clients. The revenue brought in to the governments by this industry is substantial and goes towards the costs of maintaining the populations of animals outside the parks and the costs of running the national parks. Some of the best managed and diverse wildlife / wilderness areas I ever experienced were huge hunting concessions in Mozambique. The reason being that they had more money to throw at anti poaching than was available to the government run National Parks.

 

As for "canned hunting" it is a disgusting practice that brings the whole industry and hunting as a whole into disrepute. Sadly there are bad apples in all walks of life.

 

If you are going to voice your opinion at least get your facts straight first

[villaman 9,983]

Hi everyone.

 

I am new to this forum so I hope to learn extra tips and techniques from everyone.

 

I am a good mate of trevs, he recommended I join. Not to 'ruffle fethers' but I can assure you all that he is speaking the truth. I shoot with trev on a regular basis.

 

I am ex military and have spent time in Kenya training kenyan forces in anti poaching so I have a rough idia what I am talking about. The previously mentioned shooting technique of rising to a target in a breath works to a tee. It is tried and tested world wide!

 

Cheets all.

Matt

What foxes with a sub 12ftlb .177 airgun