All The Gear...yet...no Idea!!!

[pianoman 3,587]

189 Rabbits

 

13 Squirrels

 

105 woodpidgeon and more to come before this summer's over.

 

A few rats round the Wheat and Barley stores.

 

All shot this year with my dearly beloved HW77 .22 tuned and fettled with kit from the great Tony Wall and installed by AndyFR1968 here.

 

And one Fox....courtesy of a rather nice and cheerful CZ .22LR and Bushnell Scopechief 4-14x50mm AO.

 

Great gear and more than a little idea matey!

 

Now, pray tell, what is a PH?

Edited September 1, 2013 by pianoman

[pianoman 3,587]

Ahh PRO HUNTER stupid bugger me!

 

I'm a little confused by your post though. One minute I was reading the life of a great white hunter, stalking and running-line buck shooting in South Africa next minute I'm reading about pinging a poor bloody fox with an air rifle....

 

Hmmm :hmm: :hmm:

[Lewis Ste 245]

189 Rabbits

 

13 Squirrels

 

105 woodpidgeon and more to come before this summer's over.

 

A few rats round the Wheat and Barley stores.

 

All shot this year with my dearly beloved HW77 .22 tuned and fettled with kit from the great Tony Wall and installed by AndyFR1968 here.

 

And one Fox....courtesy of a rather nice and cheerful CZ .22LR and Bushnell Scopechief 4-14x50mm AO.

 

Great gear and more than a little idea matey!

 

Now, pray tell, what is a PH?

Simon please don't lie on an open forum to make yourself look good to everyone else. Everyone knows you can't shoot 189 rabbits, 13 squirrels and 103 pigeons with a spring rifle in one year! Lmfao

 

But I too was wondering what makes a hunter a 'pro hunter' is it the fact they drive round with big guns looking for caged animals to be realised and shot for no other reason than to have one in their living room and not on the discovery channel?

 

This could get interesting, atb guys

[webster 90]

gonna give that a try i only shoot out to 35y max as i dont feel happy shooting past that as i tend to shoot springers out in the fields , , sounds like your gonna fit in here welcome on board

[pianoman 3,587]

 

189 Rabbits

 

13 Squirrels

 

105 woodpidgeon and more to come before this summer's over.

 

A few rats round the Wheat and Barley stores.

 

All shot this year with my dearly beloved HW77 .22 tuned and fettled with kit from the great Tony Wall and installed by AndyFR1968 here.

 

And one Fox....courtesy of a rather nice and cheerful CZ .22LR and Bushnell Scopechief 4-14x50mm AO.

 

Great gear and more than a little idea matey!

 

Now, pray tell, what is a PH?

Simon please don't lie on an open forum to make yourself look good to everyone else. Everyone knows you can't shoot 189 rabbits, 13 squirrels and 103 pigeons with a spring rifle in one year! Lmfao

 

But I too was wondering what makes a hunter a 'pro hunter' is it the fact they drive round with big guns looking for caged animals to be realised and shot for no other reason than to have one in their living room and not on the discovery channel?

 

This could get interesting, atb guys

 

AWWWW LEWIS!! YOU'VE TUMBLED ME!!! Your right Lewis I made it all up. ALL my shooting is done with a PCP. I just say I shoot with spring rifles as I have a very sheltered life and will have no mates otherwise. :laugh: :laugh:

Edited September 1, 2013 by pianoman

[pianoman 3,587]

This comment is something we hear often in Professional Hunters conversations around the camp fire in Southern Africa, as a PH myself I have seen this phenomenon all to often out on Safari in Africa and I must say it is fairly common here in the UK to some extent when hunting with an air rifle. It is my humble opinion that to much emphasis is put on equipment and not enough on actual field craft and rifle handling! I am a BSA fan, have been since i was a 9yrs old and my dad handed me my .177 Meteor to sharpen my skills, open sights and basic pellets...I recall keeping my pointed pellets seperate for those "Big Game" shots on ducks and geese!!! Anyhow that was many moons ago, I now own two BSA rifles here in the UK both BSA's, an Ultra in .22 and a Scorpion SE in .177, the latter being my primary vermin rifle!

 

On most forums and you tube videos I see guys shooting over a bench or bipod shooting one hole clusters at 25-30 yards and being as pleased as punch with their shooting, occasionally they push this out to 40-50 yards but thats about it, still off a bench/bipod. Any reasonable shooter with their rifle/pellet combination dialled in can achieve this, not a great feat in my opinion. Both my rifles shoot slightly over pellet sized clusters with their preferred pellets and once they are sighted thats it done and dusted, I then practise shooting from various positions not on a bench/bipod and spend most of my time shooting free hand. So far this season I have shot 69 woodies, 73 rabbits and five squirrels, two of my friends who join me on these shoots are stunned by my numbers when they battle to get anything. The answer is simple...they spend to much time trying to get set up and comfortable and by the time they are ready to squeeze off a shot the target has moved off, both battle with range estimation and it costs them dearly in the field. Both shoot well on the range but fail to produce the goods in the field because the are not honing the techniques needed to shoot fast without the help of bipods and rangefinders etc. On our last trip, yesterday, to the range I showed the a useful technique which I would like to share with you all now. Take two rabbit targets at 30 meters, the first one shoot at your own time free hand "No rest" whatsoever and fire ten shots! Now onto target number two, shoot ten shots as fast as possible but using this technique, aim at the base of the target and move up the target until you reach the vitals and squeeze off the shot, reload and repeat DO NOT try and hold your point of aim on the vital/kill area simply move the crosshair through the target like a shotgun shooter does with a clay target, find the line move up follow through and squeeze of a shot...do this fast though...no time to over think the shot or try and aim at a pin point spot on the target which takes time...the more time the more you will end up shaking like a leaf. Now compare group sizes, both my friends could not believe the results they achieved after a few runs shooting fast!!! Give it a go and let me know what you think?

 

 

Matt and Andrew, my shooting mates, have in fact now also bought Scorpion SE's in .177 and judging by how most Scorpions perform with JSB Exact pellets I think they are going to love their new rifle's performance, all three of us shoot sub 20mm 10 shot groups at fifty with my rifle. As a PH from Africa I live carrying a rifle for most of the year and when I am required to use my 458 Win Mag or 470 double rifle there is no time for messing around...you shoot free hand...so thats what I practise! It works for me and has helped Matt and Andrew so hopefully some hunters on this forum may benefit from the above technique?

 

PS...if your ever planning to hunt out in Africa take your most trusted rifle do not buy a new TURBO charged model that you can only shoot comfortably with a muzzle break...a muzzle break is a sure fire way of telling your PH that you are afraid of your rifles recoil, I have seen it many times...if your hunting plains game then take your trusty 270, 308 or 30-06 not a 338 or 375 with a muzzle break! A well placed bullet from a rifle you love is better than ten poorly placed shots from a cannon you battle to control! Just my humble opinion!

 

You all take care and hunt safely and responsibly!

Cheers Trev

Give it a go and let you know what I think? Okay then 'Trev'.

 

This is a genuine post isn't it?

 

Shooting freehand? Really? As a spring rifle shooter I agree with you about using freehand. It's just the complete and utter bullshit the rest of the thread is made up of, I have a problem with. It's all lies and crap! You are taking the piss aren't you!

 

I've edited out my long-winded explanations as to why you are full of crap. I rather think the gentlemen of this forum would rather love you to go on digging a deeper hole explaining why I'm wrong, you are right and you can prove every word you say to be true!

 

Can't you "Trev!"

 

Edited to add.

 

Interesting avatar you use. Considering Giraffe and the vast majority of African wildlife are protected under the Wildlife and Game laws of all African states. Only the licenced Game Wardens have the authority to humanely shoot the lame and the sick; and then, only after the approval of the park's senior Vet where no other course of action can be practically made. So what do you do out there that requires you to wander about the bush with a rifle in your hand almost daily? Hunting safari has been banned for decades. The last great "Big Game" hunting safari was banned in 1974. And only one State today offers controlled shooting under a very expensive licence. So if your business is taking rich American dentists out to bag a bloody Water buffalo for £8,000 for just one shot, in this one, remaining place, what are you doing fannying about the fields of England pinging foxes with an air rifle and posting sheer bloody lunacy on an airgun forum?

 

You make no mention of being a Warden. Care to explain how you came to be shooting this animal, LEGALLY? Or is that not you in the pic? Or did these two "White Hunters" happen to come upon it having a kip and one of you took the pic..before it woke up and kicked you all to next week? Unlike that poor bloody fox you claim to have shot with you airgun. Whatever, in both instances it is illegal and it is OFFENSIVE! But, reassuringly, it's probably bollocks too.

Edited September 2, 2013 by pianoman

[zini 1,939]

Andy could be right here.

 

Miles.

 

Maybe hes really doing it with his Hatstand.

[pianoman 3,587]

It's got to be him mate. It has his brand of self-destructive lunacy and bullshit all over it. He still lives in the fantasy of strolling the African plains like a Great White Hunter. Those days are long gone and only wardens and poachers carry rifles there now.

[Trev3006 4]

Hi Guys, the fox I mentioned was not shot in the UK, I reside in both Kent and SA. Certainly not having a dig at anyone on any site or forum! As a PH guiding clients I simply mentioned this because it is frustrating in the field when you have guys who shoot very well from a bench at a target but waste time getting set up for shots on game and miss their window of opportunity! Practise practical field shooting at the range, the reviews that get done on rifles and various pellets etc on the various media are very helpful indeed, its where I heard about the 4.53 JSB working well in the Scorpion SE, thank you Si from Vermin Hunters TV! I thinks that's what it's called??? Also I am not aiming to out shoot anyone just voicing my opinion on techniques that some guys may find useful. I spent 16yrs with the National Parks Dept. in SA before becoming a PH and during those years a large part of our job description was culling and PAC! I recall 12hr night culling duties that saw guys required to shoot 100 animals per. night, three nights a week! I am not on here to ruffle any feathers.

 

 

Cheers Trev

[zini 1,939]

Trev,

 

If you would have introduced yourself more in this way at the start of your thread then people, myself being one would not have been so abrupt / sarcastic with you.

 

There is a close nit group of lads in here that all bring something to the shooting party be in with a rifle or in some other way. Wood work skill, technical knowledge, tuning skill, so respect is shared.

 

Many many years of experience in this section so everyone always learns something.

 

Hope you enjoy the rest of your time here buddy and sorry we got off on the wrong foot.

 

Si.

Edited September 2, 2013 by zini

[pianoman 3,587]

Hi Guys, the fox I mentioned was not shot in the UK, I reside in both Kent and SA. Certainly not having a dig at anyone on any site or forum! As a PH guiding clients I simply mentioned this because it is frustrating in the field when you have guys who shoot very well from a bench at a target but waste time getting set up for shots on game and miss their window of opportunity! Practise practical field shooting at the range, the reviews that get done on rifles and various pellets etc on the various media are very helpful indeed, its where I heard about the 4.53 JSB working well in the Scorpion SE, thank you Si from Vermin Hunters TV! I thinks that's what it's called??? Also I am not aiming to out shoot anyone just voicing my opinion on techniques that some guys may find useful. I spent 16yrs with the National Parks Dept. in SA before becoming a PH and during those years a large part of our job description was culling and PAC! I recall 12hr night culling duties that saw guys required to shoot 100 animals per. night, three nights a week! I am not on here to ruffle any feathers.

 

 

Cheers Trev

Trev.

 

Then stop ruffling feathers here. You are teaching us grandmas how to suck eggs.....and it is not appreciated laddie!

 

Stop digging Bwanna. The hole's deep enough!

 

Don't worry fella, we really do know a bit more about shooting here, than the people you've obviously had to contend with mate. Like Si says, it's not been the best of starts but, try to appreciate that, some of us have been shooting as long as you have. And some a bit longer still! And DON'T whatever you do, preach as a gospel truth, anything from the airgun mags. They are mostly favourable reviews designed to keep manufacturers spending on advertising in them. That's why so many still buy crap like Hatsan Hatstands and other sundry shite.

 

Welcome to the section. Now please, keep it real.

 

Simon

Edited September 2, 2013 by pianoman

[pianoman 3,587]

No further comment or response? "Trev"?

[porkycrook 466]

So i want to learn this new hunting lesson. So am i only allowed to shoot moving targets and do i shoot ten shots at each one of them?. I'm a bit cross with people i thought were my friends (yes i mean you Simon (pianoman), Si (zini) and you Davy (davyt63)), how come you haven't taught me this method.

[pianoman 3,587]

You didn't ask us Roger...

 

 

Yes you must keep the rifle moving mate. It is so well known and devastatingly effective for pin point shot placement we thought everyone knew of it. It was pioneered on the great African plains by the legendary White Hunter Miles A. Go-Go, great grandson of Sir Sydney Harbour-Bridge, to knock down tribes of marauding Pygmies on the farmsteads of Zambu-bu land! My but there was much laughter in the Whites-only clubs over the late night whiskies of the numbers shot.

 

Tell you what, to show good will, I'll teach you how to swing and fire your rifle so fast, you can bend the shot round objects, walls and people to hit a target hidden by them!

 

You'll be flattening water buffalo and gazelle on your permission in no time!

[andyfr1968 772]

You didn't ask us Roger...

 

 

Yes you must keep the rifle moving mate. It is so well known and devastatingly effective for pin point shot placement we thought everyone knew of it. It was pioneered on the great African plains by the legendary White Hunter Miles A. Go-Go, great grandson of Sir Sydney Harbour-Bridge, to knock down tribes of marauding Pygmies on the farmsteads of Zambu-bu land! My but there was much laughter in the Whites-only clubs over the late night whiskies of the numbers shot.

 

Tell you what, to show good will, I'll teach you how to swing and fire your rifle so fast, you can bend the shot round objects, walls and people to hit a target hidden by them!

 

You'll be flattening water buffalo and gazelle on your permission in no time!

 

You sarcastic git

 

Will you teach me how to do that too, please?