Before The Media Spin Starts!!

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

 

would like to think there were still fit at 50 onwards with all the training facilitys they have at there place of work or should i say gym

 

. If only life was that simple mate ask the familys are the fire men who have died recently that wish they would have took a civy job. Yes we all like to think they sit around all day playing pool etc. but when they get a shout Next time it might god forbid be you upside down in a car roof caved in petrol spilling all over , and the 60 year old just might not get there as fast as the 45 year old

how many firemen die a month then how many builders on site die a month ? ive nothing against them retiring at 50 its when they start the f--king moaning about wages pensions every one feeling the pinch

. In the last 6 about 5 i think the lad in wigan being the last The building trade. And its saftey record stinks why because we have let them disband the hse Civils is the worst with tunnerling leading the death leage dont compare mate amsorry the building trades deaths are priventerble. Fire men have to risk there lives its there JOB

and they choose there job nobody forced them to do there job and i admire them for that theres a certain amount of danger in every JOB

. Your wrong mate the trade you are involved in fought tooth and nail for safety The deaths are caused by lack of training lack of investment in the training of all now you go and sit in front of a computer and and get a card lol. All the gear no idea The construction industry is a sham Am surprised there are not more deaths The citb has called for more training while the big company's call for more immigrant labour Who recues them from. Fallen scaffolds , collapsed cranes , collapsed trenches , cave ins , gas build up in sewers etc etc. the fire brigade you of all people want to make sure in the industry you work in that there is a professional fire brigade there when you need them because you just one day might need them Edited September 1, 2013 by gonetoearth

[Ossie n Arch 1,682]

Back in the day when there was a career to be had, not just a job. (Armed forces, Utillites, Coal board, Council, Fireman etc) People signed up for life knowing at the end of their working life they would have paid in enough to their pension to see them secure in retainment. But to then be told, "Hang on, we need more, or work longer" Is surley a pi*s take ??

 

 

Either that or blow the lot and let the state take care of you in later life.....................No thanks.

[pegleg33 134]

I'd still like to know what you're doing for a second income

 

I can see where you're are coming from about being shafted but until you (the fire brigade) start to be honest about your total earnings then I don't see you getting the support you deserve.

[mackay 3,384]

I know a few firefighters, and the majority of them were able to do second jobs due to their shift pattern, driving taxis etc.

Fair enough, good on them you might say, but when you're whinging about your wages try including your moonlighting earnings as well. And all the second jobs they were doing might have been some other poor gits first job, firefighters had and have a decent wage, don't stop a lot of them taking work and money from people more needing it.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

My first wife had (has?) 2 brothers, both in London Fire Brigade. I hated both the w*nkers, but was honest enough to say they were braver than me. Don't begrudge them a single penny - ever !!

[alun1960 234]

 

i think everybody should have to work until there 67 as i have to. fire men should do the job until not fit to then get a job selling veg or factory work etc like the rest of the population..

 

dont think im not greatfull for the job you do as i am but you chose it to save lives i hope and not just for good pay and short working life..

 

just find another job if your not happy with pay and hours etc thats what i must do

You do sound ungrateful. Also you view of work life is a little confusing to say the least. You seem to be saying do for us then get lost.

 

ATB

 

Mickey Finn your Gov are doing your the same!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKKY7jU0eEA

[nothernlite 18,089]

I'd still like to know what you're doing for a second income

 

I can see where you're are coming from about being shafted but until you (the fire brigade) start to be honest about your total earnings then I don't see you getting the support you deserve.

well ?

[Mickey Finn 3,014]

 

 

i think everybody should have to work until there 67 as i have to. fire men should do the job until not fit to then get a job selling veg or factory work etc like the rest of the population..

 

dont think im not greatfull for the job you do as i am but you chose it to save lives i hope and not just for good pay and short working life..

 

just find another job if your not happy with pay and hours etc thats what i must do

You do sound ungrateful. Also you view of work life is a little confusing to say the least. You seem to be saying do for us then get lost.

 

ATB

 

Mickey Finn your Gov are doing your the same!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKKY7jU0eEA

 

Oh I know. We've been having the same trouble over here. It's sad, but firefighters, cops, and teachers are suddenly the problem with society.

[nothernlite 18,089]

think its all the private sector not just firemen and women

[alun1960 234]

Mate ive done fair few jobs in my working life before i joined the fire service, my trade was fabricator welder and i have done secondry employment to supplement the £? a week drop i took to join the service this is not the point of my post its on page one read! This is about the spin and dirty tricks that are coming if and i and every firefighter in this country pray it doesnt come to a strike!! Dont forget we care and are allways there to protect you and your familys as long as we are allowed by this GOV!!

https://www.(!64.56:886/photo.php?v=10151201094771607

 

MPs put their pensions up 25%

by REBECCA PAVELEY, Daily Mail

MPs have awarded themselves a massive pension rise under new rules sneaked through on Monday.

Their pay-outs - partly funded by the taxpayer - will climb by 25 per cent.

The details were released just as Gordon Brown was unveiling his three-year spending review.

The move is a brutal snub to the millions of ordinary people struggling to save for retirement amid the deepening pensions crisis. Both the Treasury and the Department of Work and Pensions warned against the increase.

But the move went ahead - and was quietly revealed by Commons Leader Robin Cook in a written Parliamentary answer.

He disclosed that MPs, who earn £55,118 a year, will see their pension entitlement increase by a quarter with immediate effect.

They currently qualify for a pension of a 50th of their salary for each year of service. This will now rise to a 40th, with almost half the increase funded by taxpayers. The news will provoke fury among workers whose own pension funds have suffered dramatic falls.

Even some MPs have been angered by the deal, announced so late in the Commons term that it was set to pass without discussion.

Lib Dem spokesman Steve Webb demanded an urgent debate. He said: 'It is very hard to argue that we should get such a generous increase when so many constituents are struggling. Even worse, we are asking the taxpayer to subsidise this.

'It's been done in the most clandestine way imaginable, sneaked out on the biggest economic day of the summer.'

Earlier this month Treasury Secretary Andrew Smith urged MPs not to demand such a large rise.

Members voted as long ago as last year to increase their pensions, arguing that the average length of time a member serves in Parliament has dropped in recent years.

Tory John Butterfill, a trustee of the Parliamentary pension fund, said many members had left well-paid jobs for the Commons and needed more security.

The watchdog Senior Salaries Review Board has now recommended the rise should go through.

But it has rejected MPs' demands that the entire bill should be met by the taxpayer through the Treasury.

The Board insisted that MPs must hand over some extra cash themselves.

Their pension contributions will now increase by three per cent - but taxpayers will still have to stump up the equivalent of another two per cent.

Mr Cook said that eventually MPs would have to pay all of the rise. But as pensions arrangements are reviewed only every few years, taxpayers will be footing the bill for some time to come.

Describing the change as a 'sensible compromise', Mr Cook said: 'I believe it fairly recognises the decline in average length of service of MPs, which has had the effect that only a handful of members now achieve the maximum pension entitlement.'

He stressed that the Review Board, which oversees MPs' the salaries, backed the move.

But the boost to the Commons pension fund comes as firms throughout the country are scrapping such final salary schemes, which pay a fixed income according to salary at retirement. They have been replaced by more risky and less generous schemes based on stock market performance.

With the devastating falls in the market, millions of workers now fear retirement poverty. The Treasury has been accused of aggravating the crisis with higher taxes on pension funds.

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[tatsblisters 9,943]

Ye lets keep shafting working folk wile politicians and other slimy fekers in high office and bankers get out rageouse pay hikes and bonusus and those firemen and women who do take second jobs will be getting tax to the hilt on their exstra earnings at least their putting money back into the coffers.

[nothernlite 18,089]

Mate ive done fair few jobs in my working life before i joined the fire service, my trade was fabricator welder and i have done secondry employment to supplement the £? a week drop i took to join the service this is not the point of my post its on page one read! This is about the spin and dirty tricks that are coming if and i and every firefighter in this country pray it doesnt come to a stike!! Dont forget we care and are allways there to protect you and your familys as long as we are allowed by this GOV!!

https://www.(!64.56:886/photo.php?v=10151201094771607

 

MPs put their pensions up 25%

by REBECCA PAVELEY, Daily Mail

MPs have awarded themselves a massive pension rise under new rules sneaked through on Monday.

Their pay-outs - partly funded by the taxpayer - will climb by 25 per cent.

The details were released just as Gordon Brown was unveiling his three-year spending review.

The move is a brutal snub to the millions of ordinary people struggling to save for retirement amid the deepening pensions crisis. Both the Treasury and the Department of Work and Pensions warned against the increase.

But the move went ahead - and was quietly revealed by Commons Leader Robin Cook in a written Parliamentary answer.

He disclosed that MPs, who earn £55,118 a year, will see their pension entitlement increase by a quarter with immediate effect.

They currently qualify for a pension of a 50th of their salary for each year of service. This will now rise to a 40th, with almost half the increase funded by taxpayers. The news will provoke fury among workers whose own pension funds have suffered dramatic falls.

Even some MPs have been angered by the deal, announced so late in the Commons term that it was set to pass without discussion.

Lib Dem spokesman Steve Webb demanded an urgent debate. He said: 'It is very hard to argue that we should get such a generous increase when so many constituents are struggling. Even worse, we are asking the taxpayer to subsidise this.

'It's been done in the most clandestine way imaginable, sneaked out on the biggest economic day of the summer.'

Earlier this month Treasury Secretary Andrew Smith urged MPs not to demand such a large rise.

Members voted as long ago as last year to increase their pensions, arguing that the average length of time a member serves in Parliament has dropped in recent years.

Tory John Butterfill, a trustee of the Parliamentary pension fund, said many members had left well-paid jobs for the Commons and needed more security.

The watchdog Senior Salaries Review Board has now recommended the rise should go through.

But it has rejected MPs' demands that the entire bill should be met by the taxpayer through the Treasury.

The Board insisted that MPs must hand over some extra cash themselves.

Their pension contributions will now increase by three per cent - but taxpayers will still have to stump up the equivalent of another two per cent.

Mr Cook said that eventually MPs would have to pay all of the rise. But as pensions arrangements are reviewed only every few years, taxpayers will be footing the bill for some time to come.

Describing the change as a 'sensible compromise', Mr Cook said: 'I believe it fairly recognises the decline in average length of service of MPs, which has had the effect that only a handful of members now achieve the maximum pension entitlement.'

He stressed that the Review Board, which oversees MPs' the salaries, backed the move.

But the boost to the Commons pension fund comes as firms throughout the country are scrapping such final salary schemes, which pay a fixed income according to salary at retirement. They have been replaced by more risky and less generous schemes based on stock market performance.

With the devastating falls in the market, millions of workers now fear retirement poverty. The Treasury has been accused of aggravating the crisis with higher taxes on pension funds.

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guy fawks had the right idea

[B.P.R 2,798]

Fireman can strike.... they have a voice...action can be taken....

 

Fookin military....gets told...no ifs or buts.... theres ye wage....and heres what youve got to do to earn it....

[Buch 145]

What annoys me is the bleeding heart socialists and unions campaigning for their own little corner, which compared to the rest of the country is surprisingly well off. At the end of the day there isnt this endless money pot for public sector pensions. I work in the public sector, ive had a pay freeze and a pension change. My pension was very good, will still pretty decent, and if you compare it to what can be gotten in the private sector its unbelievable. You cant really expect the rest of the country to pay for your pension when they can hardly afford to feed there kids can you? At the end of the day if its so bad, quit, do something else. I wont quit my job because i cant get anything like it in the real world. I can imagine its the same for you guys. When you hold the countries feet over coals (ironic) about something like this you will get some resentment but you cant blame people can you?

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

Mate ive done fair few jobs in my working life before i joined the fire service, my trade was fabricator welder and i have done secondry employment to supplement the £? a week drop i took to join the service this is not the point of my post its on page one read! This is about the spin and dirty tricks that are coming if and i and every firefighter in this country pray it doesnt come to a stike!! Dont forget we care and are allways there to protect you and your familys as long as we are allowed by this GOV!!

https://www.(!64.56:886/photo.php?v=10151201094771607

 

MPs put their pensions up 25%

by REBECCA PAVELEY, Daily Mail

MPs have awarded themselves a massive pension rise under new rules sneaked through on Monday.

Their pay-outs - partly funded by the taxpayer - will climb by 25 per cent.

The details were released just as Gordon Brown was unveiling his three-year spending review.

The move is a brutal snub to the millions of ordinary people struggling to save for retirement amid the deepening pensions crisis. Both the Treasury and the Department of Work and Pensions warned against the increase.

But the move went ahead - and was quietly revealed by Commons Leader Robin Cook in a written Parliamentary answer.

He disclosed that MPs, who earn £55,118 a year, will see their pension entitlement increase by a quarter with immediate effect.

They currently qualify for a pension of a 50th of their salary for each year of service. This will now rise to a 40th, with almost half the increase funded by taxpayers. The news will provoke fury among workers whose own pension funds have suffered dramatic falls.

Even some MPs have been angered by the deal, announced so late in the Commons term that it was set to pass without discussion.

Lib Dem spokesman Steve Webb demanded an urgent debate. He said: 'It is very hard to argue that we should get such a generous increase when so many constituents are struggling. Even worse, we are asking the taxpayer to subsidise this.

'It's been done in the most clandestine way imaginable, sneaked out on the biggest economic day of the summer.'

Earlier this month Treasury Secretary Andrew Smith urged MPs not to demand such a large rise.

Members voted as long ago as last year to increase their pensions, arguing that the average length of time a member serves in Parliament has dropped in recent years.

Tory John Butterfill, a trustee of the Parliamentary pension fund, said many members had left well-paid jobs for the Commons and needed more security.

The watchdog Senior Salaries Review Board has now recommended the rise should go through.

But it has rejected MPs' demands that the entire bill should be met by the taxpayer through the Treasury.

The Board insisted that MPs must hand over some extra cash themselves.

Their pension contributions will now increase by three per cent - but taxpayers will still have to stump up the equivalent of another two per cent.

Mr Cook said that eventually MPs would have to pay all of the rise. But as pensions arrangements are reviewed only every few years, taxpayers will be footing the bill for some time to come.

Describing the change as a 'sensible compromise', Mr Cook said: 'I believe it fairly recognises the decline in average length of service of MPs, which has had the effect that only a handful of members now achieve the maximum pension entitlement.'

He stressed that the Review Board, which oversees MPs' the salaries, backed the move.

But the boost to the Commons pension fund comes as firms throughout the country are scrapping such final salary schemes, which pay a fixed income according to salary at retirement. They have been replaced by more risky and less generous schemes based on stock market performance.

With the devastating falls in the market, millions of workers now fear retirement poverty. The Treasury has been accused of aggravating the crisis with higher taxes on pension funds.

 

 

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guy fawks had the right idea

. Nah the fire brigade would have put it out !!!!!