swg dave 334 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 To get the best out of your dog, good dog men,and women, know you must put the time and effort in, ie, getting them fit, the correct food, as skycat states. But that special bond where both dog and dog worker, really have a good understanding with each other, is really really important, the stronger the bond the better the outcome, also obviously the correct fitness, would you agree.... Quote Link to post
cookie 2 8 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 i would say you got to have a good bond theres nowt better Quote Link to post
swg dave 334 Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Also getting that bond right takes quite a long time, and once that bond is made, and both you and dog understand each other, your best friend will run their hearts out. That special bond shows especially when out mooching. Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I agree that a good bond is vital, especially for a mooching dog. However, the quicker the owner understands the way the dog is "wired" and works to the dogs instincts/capabilities the better the working partnership will be. Too many dogs get ruined or passed on because the owner will not or cannot understand the strengths/mentality of the dog 5 Quote Link to post
THE DEMON 93 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 you get out what you put in Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 you get out what you put in Are you saying that you can make a silk purse from a sows ear? Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 You need the silk in the first place. But you've still gotta put in alot of graft to make that silk into a silk purse Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 You need the silk in the first place. But you've still gotta put in alot of graft to make that silk into a silk purse You need the silk in the first place. But you've still gotta put in alot of graft to make that silk into a silk purse Are you sure? Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Sure about what? Needing the silk? Or needing to put time and effort in? Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Seen a few silk purses turned into sow's ears over the years.... Many don't keep dogs long enough to develop any kind of relationship or bond....let alone something special.... Really special bonds between man and dog are rarer than you think....most would need a bucket of evo-stick to achieve it.....and even then some wouldn't be able to pull it off..... 4 Quote Link to post
rob190364 2,594 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Seen a few silk purses turned into sow's ears over the years.... Really special bonds between man and dog are rarer than you think....most would need a bucket of evo-stick to achieve it.....and even then some wouldn't be able to pull it off..... Totally agree....I've seen people who own dogs who couldn't bond properly with a dog if their life depended on it. There's a world of difference between a true dog person and someone who has owned dogs but is unable to make that connection, and I don't think it's something you can learn or change, not easily anyway. If you are a true dog person and have that vibe with your dogs then training and working them is a million times easier....and I also think it's one of the biggest reasons potentially good dogs turn to shit in certain hands, and on the opposite end of the spectrum why some people can get no so good dogs to reach their potential, not necessarily be brilliant workers, but to reach their potential. Another point is that those people who don't have that ability to form a true bond, don't understand it and most of the time don't recognise that they don't have that nack. So if they have a dog that turns to shit they tend to blame everything but themselves, or put it down to one of them things.....IMO. Some dogs probably are a lost cause work-wise, but a lot is down to what's at the other end of the lead, so to speak. Quote Link to post
swg dave 334 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 I would say that with age comes maturity, but keep a very close eye on your dogs really study them, and get to know what they are about, because they are studying your every move, once you understand each other, as in my case, that bond was achieved.. Quote Link to post
bird 9,864 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Seen a few silk purses turned into sow's ears over the years.... Really special bonds between man and dog are rarer than you think....most would need a bucket of evo-stick to achieve it.....and even then some wouldn't be able to pull it off..... Totally agree....I've seen people who own dogs who couldn't bond properly with a dog if their life depended on it. There's a world of difference between a true dog person and someone who has owned dogs but is unable to make that connection, and I don't think it's something you can learn or change, not easily anyway. If you are a true dog person and have that vibe with your dogs then training and working them is a million times easier....and I also think it's one of the biggest reasons potentially good dogs turn to shit in certain hands, and on the opposite end of the spectrum why some people can get no so good dogs to reach their potential, not necessarily be brilliant workers, but to reach their potential. Another point is that those people who don't have that ability to form a true bond, don't understand it and most of the time don't recognise that they don't have that nack. So if they have a dog that turns to shit they tend to blame everything but themselves, or put it down to one of them things.....IMO. Some dogs probably are a lost cause work-wise, but a lot is down to what's at the other end of the lead, so to speak. yes+ no, its like in life you carnt always get on with every person you meet, some times you get on really well, other time you know its not going to happen. Same with dogs, some you get that feeling about them, others just do a good job, but you know deep down there no real bond. Ive always thought as we keep working dogs, and if they do in the field what you had the dog for, and does ok at that job, well does it really matter.? Ithink its (only) when the (dont) do that job in the field that you look as your relationship with the dog.? Iknow few lads that had dogs over the years ,that the dogs (natural) pre drive wanted to catch a hare or kill a fox, nothing to do with the bond of the owner, as these lads just looked at the dogs as tools nothing else.And to honest they had very good sport with them. Isuppose it make life easier if you do bond with the dog, but as above some dogs will work just as good if you dont, for the reason above. Quote Link to post
Desmond 480 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Theres plenty with a special bond with there computers Quote Link to post
swg dave 334 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 some can some cant, some will some wo,nt, but some do. Quote Link to post
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