Lets See Your Working Russells

[leethedog 3,071]

This should give you some scale the black bitch in the photo is 6 months old

Edited April 26, 2017 by leethedog

[Themole 323]

Nice pair is the bitch Russell cross

[leethedog 3,071]

No she nuttal x wheeler

[eastcoast 4,115]

Thank you for the extra bit on your little dog leethedog. I was once given a very similar type by a family who had came to the conclusion that they couldn't handle him . When I called to 1st take a look at him I was told that if I could get him out from under the sideboard I could have him for free ! He was under there defending his corner like something in a stop end. Showed him a clenched fist, he struck once, had a sniff then came out and allowed me to pick him up. I think he was as happy to get out of that house as his owners were to see him go.

 

Unfortunately he didn't hack it as a working dog. Way too reckless even for a terrier twice his size. Couldn't even use him as a rabbiting dog because it was impossible to brake his focus away from the 1st rabbit that was caught. I resigned myself on a few occasions to just trying to carry on with the other dogs with him locked onto my coat pocket or game bag, even after other rabbits had been caught. I don't think that he was born crazy but had been in the wrong place for too long and couldn't calm down when he was given an outlet for his strong instincts. And I didn't have the skills to train him.

 

I ended up re homing him as a pet again but with good people who understood him. He had no badness in him toward people but don't think he was ever really happy. Died of old age. Just wish I'd got him as a pup, it may of been a very different story.

[leethedog 3,071]

He's a proper grafter honest lol

Edited May 3, 2017 by leethedog

[Themole 323]

He'd probably do more than some of the stuff out there ?

[donnyc 1,203]

leethedog, I hope you don't mind me asking but why is the dog in your photo not a digging dog ? Is it just because he's a little 'un ? There's nothing in the pic to give scale. I'm only asking because to my eye he is a VERY nice stamp. I used to see lots of this sort around but they seemed to of died out as working dogs or were bred up on the leg to suit fashion. I think that this is the type that the folk who started the Lucas terrier thing had intended to " re-create " but failed. If he is a Lucas then I will look a bit foolish but don't mind. Cracking looking terrier.

It was not fashion the straight legged ones have been around many many years well over a 100 years ..plus ..Well documented as well ..

[leethedog 3,071]

Enjoying a good snooze definitely not strait legged

[eastcoast 4,115]

 

leethedog, I hope you don't mind me asking but why is the dog in your photo not a digging dog ? Is it just because he's a little 'un ? There's nothing in the pic to give scale. I'm only asking because to my eye he is a VERY nice stamp. I used to see lots of this sort around but they seemed to of died out as working dogs or were bred up on the leg to suit fashion. I think that this is the type that the folk who started the Lucas terrier thing had intended to " re-create " but failed. If he is a Lucas then I will look a bit foolish but don't mind. Cracking looking terrier.

It was not fashion the straight legged ones have been around many many years well over a 100 years ..plus ..Well documented as well ..

 

Of course the straight legged sort are not a new type donnyc. A simplistic view, as I'm sure that well aware of, is that the white bodied hunt terriers of the 19th century not only formed the foundation stock for the KC Fox Terrier but live on in our working Russells. My point was that there used to be far more variation in type within the white working terriers that we refer to as Jack Russells even 30 or so year ago. I'm not for one moment suggesting that classy leggy type are modern show ponies, they've been around as working terriers for a long time, as we both agree. But the less typey, shorter legged, ugly (?) sort that probably owe more to the old type Sealyham and goodness knows what else than the old type Fox Terrier fell out of fashion.

 

When I was first fortunate to obtain a good quality working Russell, which for clarity I'll describe as a Parson type even though I disagree with whole KC thing, there wasn't many of that type about in my locality. Dogs of similar type yes but red or black and tan terriers in colour that worked in a different way. A few lads brought less refined Russell bitches to be lined by him. I would like to say that this was because of his working ability alone. But he was no better or worse than the " old fashioned " sorts that they owned. They wanted to use him because of his physical type even though they had no interest in breeding show dogs. That's what I meant by changing fashions.

[donnyc 1,203]

 

 

leethedog, I hope you don't mind me asking but why is the dog in your photo not a digging dog ? Is it just because he's a little 'un ? There's nothing in the pic to give scale. I'm only asking because to my eye he is a VERY nice stamp. I used to see lots of this sort around but they seemed to of died out as working dogs or were bred up on the leg to suit fashion. I think that this is the type that the folk who started the Lucas terrier thing had intended to " re-create " but failed. If he is a Lucas then I will look a bit foolish but don't mind. Cracking looking terrier.

It was not fashion the straight legged ones have been around many many years well over a 100 years ..plus ..Well documented as well ..

 

Of course the straight legged sort are not a new type donnyc. A simplistic view, as I'm sure that well aware of, is that the white bodied hunt terriers of the 19th century not only formed the foundation stock for the KC Fox Terrier but live on in our working Russells. My point was that there used to be far more variation in type within the white working terriers that we refer to as Jack Russells even 30 or so year ago. I'm not for one moment suggesting that classy leggy type are modern show ponies, they've been around as working terriers for a long time, as we both agree. But the less typey, shorter legged, ugly (?) sort that probably owe more to the old type Sealyham and goodness knows what else than the old type Fox Terrier fell out of fashion.

 

When I was first fortunate to obtain a good quality working Russell, which for clarity I'll describe as a Parson type even though I disagree with whole KC thing, there wasn't many of that type about in my locality. Dogs of similar type yes but red or black and tan terriers in colour that worked in a different way. A few lads brought less refined Russell bitches to be lined by him. I would like to say that this was because of his working ability alone. But he was no better or worse than the " old fashioned " sorts that they owned. They wanted to use him because of his physical type even though they had no interest in breeding show dogs. That's what I meant by changing fashions.

 

What area was that? Just going by your username

[eastcoast 4,115]

 

 

 

leethedog, I hope you don't mind me asking but why is the dog in your photo not a digging dog ? Is it just because he's a little 'un ? There's nothing in the pic to give scale. I'm only asking because to my eye he is a VERY nice stamp. I used to see lots of this sort around but they seemed to of died out as working dogs or were bred up on the leg to suit fashion. I think that this is the type that the folk who started the Lucas terrier thing had intended to " re-create " but failed. If he is a Lucas then I will look a bit foolish but don't mind. Cracking looking terrier.

It was not fashion the straight legged ones have been around many many years well over a 100 years ..plus ..Well documented as well ..

 

Of course the straight legged sort are not a new type donnyc. A simplistic view, as I'm sure that well aware of, is that the white bodied hunt terriers of the 19th century not only formed the foundation stock for the KC Fox Terrier but live on in our working Russells. My point was that there used to be far more variation in type within the white working terriers that we refer to as Jack Russells even 30 or so year ago. I'm not for one moment suggesting that classy leggy type are modern show ponies, they've been around as working terriers for a long time, as we both agree. But the less typey, shorter legged, ugly (?) sort that probably owe more to the old type Sealyham and goodness knows what else than the old type Fox Terrier fell out of fashion.

 

When I was first fortunate to obtain a good quality working Russell, which for clarity I'll describe as a Parson type even though I disagree with whole KC thing, there wasn't many of that type about in my locality. Dogs of similar type yes but red or black and tan terriers in colour that worked in a different way. A few lads brought less refined Russell bitches to be lined by him. I would like to say that this was because of his working ability alone. But he was no better or worse than the " old fashioned " sorts that they owned. They wanted to use him because of his physical type even though they had no interest in breeding show dogs. That's what I meant by changing fashions.

 

What area was that? Just going by your username

 

The north east of England. Durham and Northumberland area. Within easy driving distance of the Brae's of Derwent, Tyndale, South Durham. etc. Hunts that had men with good Russell lines of course. I think I can see where you're going with this. Despite the presence of such terriers they were not common at the time amongst the lads I grew up with. We didn't live in a hunting community but hunt we did. And fox was not the primary quarry at the time. I have no wish to enter into one of those THL disagreements and hope that this is not the case here.

[donnyc 1,203]

 

 

 

 

leethedog, I hope you don't mind me asking but why is the dog in your photo not a digging dog ? Is it just because he's a little 'un ? There's nothing in the pic to give scale. I'm only asking because to my eye he is a VERY nice stamp. I used to see lots of this sort around but they seemed to of died out as working dogs or were bred up on the leg to suit fashion. I think that this is the type that the folk who started the Lucas terrier thing had intended to " re-create " but failed. If he is a Lucas then I will look a bit foolish but don't mind. Cracking looking terrier.

It was not fashion the straight legged ones have been around many many years well over a 100 years ..plus ..Well documented as well ..

 

Of course the straight legged sort are not a new type donnyc. A simplistic view, as I'm sure that well aware of, is that the white bodied hunt terriers of the 19th century not only formed the foundation stock for the KC Fox Terrier but live on in our working Russells. My point was that there used to be far more variation in type within the white working terriers that we refer to as Jack Russells even 30 or so year ago. I'm not for one moment suggesting that classy leggy type are modern show ponies, they've been around as working terriers for a long time, as we both agree. But the less typey, shorter legged, ugly (?) sort that probably owe more to the old type Sealyham and goodness knows what else than the old type Fox Terrier fell out of fashion.

 

When I was first fortunate to obtain a good quality working Russell, which for clarity I'll describe as a Parson type even though I disagree with whole KC thing, there wasn't many of that type about in my locality. Dogs of similar type yes but red or black and tan terriers in colour that worked in a different way. A few lads brought less refined Russell bitches to be lined by him. I would like to say that this was because of his working ability alone. But he was no better or worse than the " old fashioned " sorts that they owned. They wanted to use him because of his physical type even though they had no interest in breeding show dogs. That's what I meant by changing fashions.

 

What area was that? Just going by your username

 

The north east of England. Durham and Northumberland area. Within easy driving distance of the Brae's of Derwent, Tyndale, South Durham. etc. Hunts that had men with good Russell lines of course. I think I can see where you're going with this. Despite the presence of such terriers they were not common at the time amongst the lads I grew up with. We didn't live in a hunting community but hunt we did. And fox was not the primary quarry at the time. I have no wish to enter into one of those THL disagreements and hope that this is not the case here.

 

Not trying to go anywhere just wanted to know what area ..As the leggy type have been in this area many many years