Back To Basics

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Well chaps I'm back in for the moment so if anyone wants to ask anything I should be about laying a floor in a new downstairs toilet,uggghhhh !!! no-one can second guess what my thoughts are but most are near the mark in the comments.

Corky, I realise a lot of shows are attended by clean unworked terriers but some I've been to (Rochdale,etc ) have had some really well worked dogs if I'd of wanted a black/tan or red dog but I've met some good lads at shows on my travels that had better stuff at home,at 55yrs and worked dogs all my life I am able to sort the wheat from the chaff and I don't need someone to hold my hand on what I need,I also know a lot of well known and otherwise lads that heavilly work terriers up and down this country that did'nt suit what I needed,the Plummer terrier in its present form being bred by the associations is an unhealthy poor excuse for a terrier and there simply is'nt a dog out there that would not of bred health problems into my strain,there have been times when giving up on plummers would of been the easy option but I am as tenacious as I expect my dogs to be,you talk of hard dogs as if thats the only type we should breed off,I like a terrier that bolts if possible with a brain and if it needs to stay to get the job done then so be it,I can't and will not keep overly hard terriers that get smashed up on every time out,I live and hunt mainly in Cheshire and North Wales but do go to the highlands of Scotland and South Wales regularly so having terriers of that sort would only get me in trouble when stopped or challenged by the law as it stands in its present form,size is also an issue for me as I like a small tight little terrier that can fly around an earth without having to dig up to its quarry,you may say it takes all types and I would agree but I have had that t-shirt and its not one I personally care to wear anymore,I breed the type of dogs that suit me for the terrain I hunt,WM

. Fook me you will be on the plummer terrier most wanted hit list now lol

[Ripstop 89]

Thats probably the most Genuine and well thought piece Ive personally ever read regarding terriers.

Theres not a word that can describe that except RESPECT and SENSE.

Thats made for some excellant reading, and would love to see this thread continue in the same direction as its going.

Keep it up lads.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

G.T.E,you would not even get off the train now mate without some major issue,times change and I, like a lot of lads have had to change to stay within the thin grey margins of the law left to us,I am lucky enough to do most of my work on estates in preservation of game and have just been asked by another to expand onto theirs as well,2 of the pups in this litter will be run on by my son and a mate who originally came from your side of the water,these will see plenty of work and if they're not up to it will be found pet homes,we have no room for passengers.

It seems the lads in Ireland think they are immune from any laws passed by a british government,seeming to think its never going to happen to them,whatever happens here will eventually happen there,the anti's are active throughout europe and will be reading this as its written,we are not like fishermen that have at least 8 million active members participating every weekend,we are a minority sport and therefore have no power to get any sort of repeal,at best we will get some sort of licencing system where you will have to abide by rules drawn up by someone thats never been out of an office,the same laid back attitude shown by the Irish lads was prevelent in britain all through the 80's,90's and look where that landed us,WM

[VOON 1,317]

Wm, we are talking about breeding dogs not the laws of Ireland, as a matter of fact when a law is passed in England or Europe, Irish politicians normally espouse it as gospel. We're not all thick micks, an your last post is as educating for an anti, as someone bragging about dogs that can only be dug to once or twice a year. Workwise i prefer mixer/bayer, but would prefer to breed of a dog that can handle his quarry if needs be.

[chelsea 125]

G.T.E,you would not even get off the train now mate without some major issue,times change and I, like a lot of lads have had to change to stay within the thin grey margins of the law left to us,I am lucky enough to do most of my work on estates in preservation of game and have just been asked by another to expand onto theirs as well,2 of the pups in this litter will be run on by my son and a mate who originally came from your side of the water,these will see plenty of work and if they're not up to it will be found pet homes,we have no room for passengers.

It seems the lads in Ireland think they are immune from any laws passed by a british government,seeming to think its never going to happen to them,whatever happens here will eventually happen there,the anti's are active throughout europe and will be reading this as its written,we are not like fishermen that have at least 8 million active members participating every weekend,we are a minority sport and therefore have no power to get any sort of repeal,at best we will get some sort of licencing system where you will have to abide by rules drawn up by someone thats never been out of an office,the same laid back attitude shown by the Irish lads was prevelent in britain all through the 80's,90's and look where that landed us,WM

What has laws passed by the british government got to do with us

Edited August 28, 2013 by chelsea

[wirral countryman 2,110]

 

Wm, we are talking about breeding dogs not the laws of Ireland, as a matter of fact when a law is passed in England or Europe, Irish politicians normally espouse it as gospel. We're not all thick micks, an your last post is as educating for an anti, as someone bragging about dogs that can only be dug to once or twice a year. Workwise i prefer mixer/bayer, but would prefer to breed of a dog that can handle his quarry if needs be.

Sorry to get side tracked but I f*cking hate laying laminate flooring and fancied a rant,how I ended up political is beyond me !! as for educating anti's,well they are well up on the game here and it is us thats playing catch up,back to dogs and breeding,I would not keep a hard dog as said before,I often travel an hour or 2 from home to permission and on an estate covered in footpaths,observed by joe public and watched by wildlife groups I have to stick to the letter of the law,even the poacherwatch is sharp,I cannot even lamp parts of my permission because of it,I can only see what comes out of the mating,WM

[wirral countryman 2,110]

 

 

G.T.E,you would not even get off the train now mate without some major issue,times change and I, like a lot of lads have had to change to stay within the thin grey margins of the law left to us,I am lucky enough to do most of my work on estates in preservation of game and have just been asked by another to expand onto theirs as well,2 of the pups in this litter will be run on by my son and a mate who originally came from your side of the water,these will see plenty of work and if they're not up to it will be found pet homes,we have no room for passengers.

It seems the lads in Ireland think they are immune from any laws passed by a british government,seeming to think its never going to happen to them,whatever happens here will eventually happen there,the anti's are active throughout europe and will be reading this as its written,we are not like fishermen that have at least 8 million active members participating every weekend,we are a minority sport and therefore have no power to get any sort of repeal,at best we will get some sort of licencing system where you will have to abide by rules drawn up by someone thats never been out of an office,the same laid back attitude shown by the Irish lads was prevelent in britain all through the 80's,90's and look where that landed us,WM

What has laws passed by the british government got to do with us

 

Exactly the attitude that lost us the right to free hunting,WM

[gonetoearth 5,144]

And heres the reason why so many put fook all on here. We participate in Strange times were all we do and all we say are monitored by the authorities and those who would want further restrictions placed upon us the very notion that we can write on here what we like is fanciful There has been lads. Dragged in and every thing they said on here has been layed out infront of them , The law states soft terriers Ill contiue to follow the law , As i follow every law. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marmite 19]

The law is an ass and these days are passed by assholes.These assholes will be taking us to war in the next few days AGAIN to protect one lot of ragheads,in turn those ragheads will in 6 months be more than willing to shoot or bomb anything that carries a GB,US or French passport.

Anyway,sounds an interesting project Wc and good luck with it.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

The law is an ass and these days are passed by assholes.These assholes will be taking us to war in the next few days AGAIN to protect one lot of ragheads,in turn those ragheads will in 6 months be more than willing to shoot or bomb anything that carries a GB,US or French passport.

Anyway,sounds an interesting project Wc and good luck with it.

some love you some hate you !!!!!! Edited August 28, 2013 by gonetoearth

[UcanRUNbutUcantHIDE 190]

Good read lads, wm good luck with you project. Your breeding from worker to worker for your own personal use so fair play to you. I know your breeding might not be every mans cup of tea but as I said your not breeding them for every man it's for your self and people close to you. I personally sit on the fence on this one I agree with you because most things you Said make sense but a bit of variety in your pens wouldn't hurt a good hard dog is never a liability IMO, but you will know what suits you best so carry on. And keep us posted how the litter turns out. Atb Ucrbuch