Born Hunter 17,813 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 What a load of bollocks. It'll never happen, National service or WW3. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Nation means people,'the nation of Islam' isn't a place. These days liberals have bastardised the word,still a nationalist refers to the true meaning of the word. The nation of England refers to the people of England. If you're not 'racist' you could describe yourself as Marxist,communist or a progressive liberal. A nation is an area with defined territorial boundaries. The Nation Of Islam is a religious movement from the US... For the record, I'm neither racist, Marxist, Communist, or a progressive liberal. You are right in the modern bastardised definition of the word,not the true meaning. I would say you fall into the communist trap of political correctness quite nicely... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,813 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Nation means people,'the nation of Islam' isn't a place. These days liberals have bastardised the word,still a nationalist refers to the true meaning of the word. The nation of England refers to the people of England. If you're not 'racist' you could describe yourself as Marxist,communist or a progressive liberal. A nation is an area with defined territorial boundaries. The Nation Of Islam is a religious movement from the US... For the record, I'm neither racist, Marxist, Communist, or a progressive liberal. You are right in the modern bastardised definition of the word,not the true meaning. I would say you fall into the communist trap of political correctness quite nicely... Define to me a nation then neems? Your exact definition, because I'm struggling to understand this one...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 You are right in the modern bastardised definition of the word,not the true meaning. I would say you fall into the communist trap of political correctness quite nicely... Define to me a nation then neems? Your exact definition, because I'm struggling to understand this one...... Likewise for me. Neems, are you traveling from a dystopian future? Or from a land far in the past? My hardcore communist, English, upbringing seems to have removed my ability to understand how you achieved the 1.21 Gigawatts needed for time travel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language,culture and ethnicity. From Wikipedia puts it into words better than I could. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Though I think in these days of race mixing and forced intergration,race is far more important than ethnicity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language,culture and ethnicity. From Wikipedia puts it into words better than I could. Indeed, Wikipedia also adds... However, it can also refer to people who share a common territory and government (for example the inhabitants of a sovereign state) irrespective of their ethnic make-up Nice selective editing! A trait perfected by communists. Though I think in these days of race mixing and forced intergration,race is far more important than ethnicity. If it benefits the nation I couldn't give a shit what race you are. Nationalism doesn't equal racism. Back to national service, though, who is going to pay for it, and how much? I have no issue with national service. Just wondering how much extra we're all going to have to fork out for it. Edited August 17, 2013 by ChrisJones 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,813 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Okay, that seems a fair definition albeit with a few grey areas. So coming back to the point that started this, nationalist but not racist................ Bearing in mind England is an historical mixing pot of invading people, scandanavian, germanic, Celt etc etc when did the English nation begin? At what point in history did all these cultures languages and ethnicities mix sufficiently to be one? Also, based on that definition is there any such thing as the English nation? I mean we share common cultural, language and ethnicity with many people from all around the world. Does that makes us one nation? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Okay, that seems a fair definition albeit with a few grey areas. So coming back to the point that started this, nationalist but not racist................ Bearing in mind England is an historical mixing pot of invading people, scandanavian, germanic, Celt etc etc when did the English nation begin? At what point in history did all these cultures languages and ethnicities mix sufficiently to be one? Also, based on that definition is there any such thing as the English nation? I mean we share common cultural, language and ethnicity with many people from all around the world. Does that makes us one nation? I suppose it is debatable,I'd say on the whole we became the nation we are today the last time we were successfully invaded. I don't think anyone would have any issue with some different white ethnicities mixing with us if absolutely necessary,but non-whites are a different issue. Yes we are a nation,the only debate would be about the other countries in Britain,which is why most nationalists fly the union flag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language,culture and ethnicity. From Wikipedia puts it into words better than I could. Indeed, Wikipedia also adds... However, it can also refer to people who share a common territory and government (for example the inhabitants of a sovereign state) irrespective of their ethnic make-up Nice selective editing! A trait perfected by communists. Though I think in these days of race mixing and forced intergration,race is far more important than ethnicity. If it benefits the nation I couldn't give a shit what race you are. Nationalism doesn't equal racism. Back to national service, though, who is going to pay for it, and how much? I have no issue with national service. Just wondering how much extra we're all going to have to fork out for it. Fine an adapted version of the wiki entry. You can't be white and openly favour your own people and culture (unlike every other race) without some limp wristed liberal like yourself shouting 'racist'. So tandors was right earlier when he said nationalist but anti 'racist' was an oxymoron. Edited August 17, 2013 by neems Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 No,I'm saying if I went and fought and died in Syria helping to defend from the rebels,I'd die an English man in Syria not a Syrian. I could love and be loyal to Syria,I'd still be English. As long as my descendants stay pure they will always be English regardless of location. Read the post above to born hunter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Fine an adapted version of the wiki entry. You can't be white and openly favour your own people and culture (unlike every other race) without some limp wristed liberal like yourself shouting 'racist'. So tandors was right earlier when he said nationalist but anti 'racist' was an oxymoron. Adapted?! Love the euphemism! I'm sure your comrades will love the newspeak! It was simply highlighted that your definition of nationalism was deeply, deeply, flawed. Max's definition sits closer to mine, regarding Benn, Eubank, Watson, etc...I'd even say Christie except for his nandrolone stain! As for Tandor's oxymoron... It isn't. Never was. You don't have to be white to be a nationalist. Y.L.W.L [Your Limp Wristed Liberal] Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 He asked for my interpretaton of the word,the fact it's paraphrased doesnt matter because the source was completely unverified. Of course you dont have to be white to be a nationalist. look at the new black panther party/the SACP or la raza/the brown berets,Black and hispanic nationalists respectively. you have to be white to be a British nationalist. Ethnics rarely share true British culture,never our ethnicity and often bastardise our language so much i wouldnt even say they share that. the phrase you're looking for,civic nationalist. a very 'progressive' ideology. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 A quick example I was listening to radio 4 the other day and it was doing yet another "aren't blacks in Britain amazing" piece, this time about how cricket pulled together blacks and whites. It had an interview with a female black cricketer who played for England talking about when she went on tour to West Indies hearing their fans saying she's playing for the wrong team and how it just felt right being around what she felt was her culture, the food etc. it was blatant multi cultural propaganda that backfires fantastically once you realise there's a brainwashing for multi-culturalism agenda going on, it's noticeable in nearly every film, tv show broadcast etc. I have come to realise I have no affinity whatsoever for foreign cultures (in our country) just as it is pretty obvious other cultures have no affinity to their host countries in Europe. Apologies for the long rambling non relevant post lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,256 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Great... we'll be training the moslem youth for when the civil war in the uk comes My thoughts exactly No religions allowed!!! that means no Mussies full stop, British Youth only none of this fuuckin immigrant bolllocks train our youth to be proud of their country and give them the skills to defend it against all it's enemies at home or abroad. The time has come now for seperation and different treatment of the British people from these immigrant w@nkers Look after our people and fec the rest off... Vote UKIP give all who complete National service free Uni places, free training and preferential treatment when it comes to dentistry or health let's look after them and make them proud to be British. These kids are our future we need to prepare them for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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