Born Hunter 17,763 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Quite often naturally agressive men are trained to kill efficiently then put in high stress environments over 3+ years........... some are gonna pop. The chap needs locking up for sure but a prison cell won't help him or the public. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevhog88 24 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 " . " I'll bet that Judge had never found himself battering down the Shankill Rd with a gun in His f**king hands, back in the seventies! So battering down the shankill road terrorising women and children & interning innocent men without trial because of there religion gives someone the right to do what hes done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevhog88 24 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 " . " I'll bet that Judge had never found himself battering down the Shankill Rd with a gun in His f**king hands, back in the seventies! So battering down the shankill road terrorising women and children & interning innocent men without trial because of there religion gives someone the right to do what hes done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Just read the whole thread. One thing that has struck me is the army trains a person to kill. the army then utilise that person to kill, yet when their time is up there is no desensitization to the kill mode that they have installed in the soldier.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 he could be useful if they tooled him up and slipped him into the cells of those 2 black b*****ds that murdered lee rigby that would even his score with society 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Don't like that comment, he could be useful. Makes me sick how service men and women are simply that just used. Over there fighting a bullshit oil war and loosing life and limbs. Meanwhile our country is being raped from the inside by those using islam as a political movement. These poor soldier come back and some can't even get jobs. Meanwhile politicans who lie and do f**k all for this country get how much? Funny how these politicans children aren't fighting the war. As many have said the bloke has mental health issues and should be given help. Locking him up with junkies and scumbags isn't going to help him. Better of using tax payers money to try get him help and make a difference. The country has failed him like many other soldiers if you ask me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frann 882 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Agree with those who say a hospital would be better for this guy. Jail will probably make his illness worse, more stress etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 " . " I'll bet that Judge had never found himself battering down the Shankill Rd with a gun in His f**king hands, back in the seventies! So battering down the shankill road terrorising women and children & interning innocent men without trial because of there religion gives someone the right to do what hes done. So pleased with yeself you posted that twice? And your terms of reference are ....? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 At this moment in time, soldiers are classed as crown servants. This means that soldiers are only partially protected by UK laws & regulations yet they have to abide by them ALL. Normal British civilians are protected by ALL. Soldiers are still Normal British Citizens. This is very wrong! Soldiers pay tax like every other British civilian and deserve to be treated equally the same as every other civilian. An example is; even though a soldiers service is voluntary, if a soldier is wronged by the army during or after their service, they can not claim constructive dismissal because they are crown servants. This is very wrong. Soldiers sacrifice their lives for their country and deserve the right to be protected by all the same laws and regulations more so much more than any other civilian. Without soldiers, who would protect our country? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Is jail good for anyone? but like all prisoners who behave like this soldier did,he will be checked by some head shrink before he goes to trial.he might get sectioned. Thing is he broke the law,and will be subject to the same judicial system,and if he is deemed to be a bit unhinged that will show up in the report.but aye i agree he should go through the same sysyem as you or i.lets hope he gets someone valuating him who takes there job seriously and maybe help him out and avoid a custodial. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Personally I think he should be jailed. He won't be the first mentally ill person to get jailed and won't be the last. That aside, he pointed a gun at the police. Who have to be commended for not killing him like they have in the past, remember the guy with the table leg? The police deserve to do their job without clowns aiming potentially deadly weapons at them and if you do it, you deserve what's coming. Too much respect lost these days, when it comes to the police and armed forces, disrespect should be treated with full power of the law. Regarding the guys condition and the mod letting soldiers go without follow up treatment, who pays for it? If you start treating the armed forces the same as any industry, you'd be as well stopping them now. Health and safety laws will have them shut down, maximum working hours etc, it can't work. Yes there will be guys like him but other than what they did with the shell shock after the war, I.e. into the nut house with them, I can't see how the mod can fit the bill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terryd 8,424 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 All comes down to money this country seems really bad and putting it in the right place. Nhs for example the wife was in hospital the other day two nurses run ragged on a heart ward no spare beds, one nurse jumping in her car to go 50 miles to another hospital where she was needed. The wife couldn't have test needed because they won't pay for the guy to work weekends. Going back to the army they spend millions training them but them seem to have to rely on charity when they leave which is not right. If you want to build some thing stupid or help another country here have a few million. I don't follow politics that close but that is the impression I get Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 It's the same with everything though, charities need to help the ill. Age concern for the old, childline for the young, cancer research, British heart foundation, McMillan nurses, etc etc. the tax payer can't pay for everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terryd 8,424 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Makes sense baw but a quick google takes me to this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342045/120billion-money-drain-EVERY-year-The-astonishing-Whitehall-waste-send-British-family-annual-luxury-holiday.html Surprising what goes where Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) So basically if you been in the army you've got free rein to do as you please then?. No lab but dont train a gaurd dog and when it bites some fooker start wondering why , We spend thousands training these lads. And yet instead of redirecting this asset we just let the walk out in to civi st i know before people jump in , that there is a certain amount of retraining But these lads need direction some can not switch off the nation owes them , just to add. There seems to be to many forces charitys popping up help for heros keep soldires of the streets etc. the old charitys the legion etc seem to be side lined. HFH only help. Gulf and afgan vets There is even discrimination in charity Edited August 16, 2013 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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