Should This Man Be In Prison?

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

 

the thing there is a junkie aint been to war and seen shit what you wouldnt want to think about

 

Granted.......but know one said it was going to be a summer holiday either. So what about someone whos been abused or someone who has been in a horrific car crash and seen stuff they never 'expected' too see. Do they get treated differently?

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

 

 

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

 

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

 

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

[vixen 528]

Is this how we repay our service veterans?

The day before this incident he tried to get help for many years of PTSD and 'survivor guilt syndrome'!

Thankfully, neither he, nor anyone else, was hurt, but why is help only given WTSHTF?

 

 

http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News/Iraq-and-Afghanistan-war-veteran-jailed-for-gun-stand-off-with-police-20130813130000.htm

 

Yes without question.............he is a danger regardless of whether he was in the army or not, there are a lot of assholes in the army same as any other line of work involving levels of danger !!

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

 

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

I've seen crazy tramps/addicts threaten to stab and kill police lots of times,the last time it was a pcso and she didn't even acknowledge him.

 

A crazy delusional man threatening police with a toy should be something you'd get sectioned for,how can anyone justify anything worse than that for a man who's been let down by his country?

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

I've seen crazy tramps/addicts threaten to stab and kill police lots of times,the last time it was a pcso and she didn't even acknowledge him.

 

A crazy delusional man threatening police with a toy should be something you'd get sectioned for,how can anyone justify anything worse than that for a man who's been let down by his country?

 

Lets not go down the route of other stuff......we know the goverment are a bunch of useless b*****ds and half the laws are shite in this country. The question is should this man go to jail and for pointing a gun( police dont know what kind it is) at police and saying youve got bombs every where you should go to jail. In America you'd be dead.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

 

 

 

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

I've seen crazy tramps/addicts threaten to stab and kill police lots of times,the last time it was a pcso and she didn't even acknowledge him.

 

A crazy delusional man threatening police with a toy should be something you'd get sectioned for,how can anyone justify anything worse than that for a man who's been let down by his country?

 

Lets not go down the route of other stuff......we know the goverment are a bunch of useless b*****ds and half the laws are shite in this country. The question is should this man go to jail and for pointing a gun( police dont know what kind it is) at police and saying youve got bombs every where you should go to jail. In America you'd be dead.

 

go and live in america then. as the saying goes. if your not behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them.

this man tried to seek help . it wasnt just the government that let him down comparing what he has been through with a car crash shows how much you know

at least this fella is still alive. many take there own lives.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

I've seen crazy tramps/addicts threaten to stab and kill police lots of times,the last time it was a pcso and she didn't even acknowledge him.

 

A crazy delusional man threatening police with a toy should be something you'd get sectioned for,how can anyone justify anything worse than that for a man who's been let down by his country?

 

Lets not go down the route of other stuff......we know the goverment are a bunch of useless b*****ds and half the laws are shite in this country. The question is should this man go to jail and for pointing a gun( police dont know what kind it is) at police and saying youve got bombs every where you should go to jail. In America you'd be dead.

 

go and live in america then. as the saying goes. if your not behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them.

this man tried to seek help . it wasnt just the government that let him down comparing what he has been through with a car crash shows how much you know

at least this fella is still alive. many take there own lives.

 

Thanks but i'm born and bred in Scotland an i'll stay here...........I've never said i'm not behind the troops, got friends thats served and i wish them atb. I see youve highlighted the car crash bit but not the abused victims,.....soldiers have a harder time than them do they?

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Both he and his partner had tried for many months to get him some psychiatric help, but to no avail - apparently there is an enormous waiting list, but that's another issue!

His partner tells of long periods unable to sleep, hallucinations, inability to control his temper and an all-consuming guilt of surviving when his comrades had died.

 

When I saw this on my local news, my heart went out to the fellow - the MOD is quick to send them to the 5hit, but don't want to know once you're back in Civvy Street. Society in general, and the Govt in particular must bear some responsibility for this man ending up the way he has, and we owe it to him to help put it right. That won't happen in prison!

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

 

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

I've seen crazy tramps/addicts threaten to stab and kill police lots of times,the last time it was a pcso and she didn't even acknowledge him.

A crazy delusional man threatening police with a toy should be something you'd get sectioned for,how can anyone justify anything worse than that for a man who's been let down by his country?

Lets not go down the route of other stuff......we know the goverment are a bunch of useless b*****ds and half the laws are shite in this country. The question is should this man go to jail and for pointing a gun( police dont know what kind it is) at police and saying youve got bombs every where you should go to jail. In America you'd be dead.

In America he would have received the treatment he needed.

 

To my mind the situation is like if you work for the council and get injured on the job so can't work and they refuse to pay out and you can't even receive proper benefits because it won't be acknowledged.

 

Completely unjustifiable.

 

And then as a result of their negligence you get into trouble,no way at all should he be treated the same as some dick head who acts like that for a laugh/because of drugs or alcohol.

 

What will help us reclaim a more productive citizen, harsh correction or assistance.

[cookiemonsterandmerlin 145]

Well he sure should be somewhere secure

[Cleanspade 3,322]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

I've seen crazy tramps/addicts threaten to stab and kill police lots of times,the last time it was a pcso and she didn't even acknowledge him.

 

A crazy delusional man threatening police with a toy should be something you'd get sectioned for,how can anyone justify anything worse than that for a man who's been let down by his country?

 

Lets not go down the route of other stuff......we know the goverment are a bunch of useless b*****ds and half the laws are shite in this country. The question is should this man go to jail and for pointing a gun( police dont know what kind it is) at police and saying youve got bombs every where you should go to jail. In America you'd be dead.

 

go and live in america then. as the saying goes. if your not behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them.

this man tried to seek help . it wasnt just the government that let him down comparing what he has been through with a car crash shows how much you know

at least this fella is still alive. many take there own lives.

 

Thanks but i'm born and bred in Scotland an i'll stay here...........I've never said i'm not behind the troops, got friends thats served and i wish them atb. I see youve highlighted the car crash bit but not the abused victims,.....soldiers have a harder time than them do they?

 

a car crash victim or abuse victims suffer from trauma as well as soldiers. and they also need help and support. they maybe just as bad to endure but i feel its a very poor comparison.

bully victims have some serious problems. after enduring years of abuse. they often turn into bullies.

same with many other forms of abuse. why would anyone not understand what has happened. the man was trained to be a soldier. when all around him turn there backs on him and his family in there hour of need. what would he be likely to turn to.

 

i'm on the no side. he needs sectioned and then evaluated and helped.

[The one 8,479]

He needs help hes to be pitted no scolded

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sadly hes not the first veteran to be shafted by authority and i have no doubt he wont be the last, i am in no way condoning what he did but i am understanding it, unlike that judge. this does not mean veterans have free range to commit crimes but i do think that every opportunity should be offered to sort the problems and not sentence because of the symptoms.

But you know as well as me if this man was a junkie and not ex army it would have been ok to lock him up and throw away the key.

He's not though he was once a decent man who now has mental health problems.

He didn't hurt anyone and there was never any chance he would do so,so how can the same government that is responsible in small part for his troubles today justify punishing him?

Helping him is different,against his will if necessary.

Go and point a gun at police out your window and see what happens too you.

I've seen crazy tramps/addicts threaten to stab and kill police lots of times,the last time it was a pcso and she didn't even acknowledge him.

 

A crazy delusional man threatening police with a toy should be something you'd get sectioned for,how can anyone justify anything worse than that for a man who's been let down by his country?

 

Lets not go down the route of other stuff......we know the goverment are a bunch of useless b*****ds and half the laws are shite in this country. The question is should this man go to jail and for pointing a gun( police dont know what kind it is) at police and saying youve got bombs every where you should go to jail. In America you'd be dead.

 

go and live in america then. as the saying goes. if your not behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them.

this man tried to seek help . it wasnt just the government that let him down comparing what he has been through with a car crash shows how much you know

at least this fella is still alive. many take there own lives.

 

Thanks but i'm born and bred in Scotland an i'll stay here...........I've never said i'm not behind the troops, got friends thats served and i wish them atb. I see youve highlighted the car crash bit but not the abused victims,.....soldiers have a harder time than them do they?

 

a car crash victim or abuse victims suffer from trauma as well as soldiers. and they also need help and support. they maybe just as bad to endure but i feel its a very poor comparison.

bully victims have some serious problems. after enduring years of abuse. they often turn into bullies.

same with many other forms of abuse. why would anyone not understand what has happened. the man was trained to be a soldier. when all around him turn there backs on him and his family in there hour of need. what would he be likely to turn to.

 

i'm on the no side. he needs sectioned and then evaluated and helped.

 

Ok maybe your right and ive dived in.........of course he needs help and he should get that ten-fold.....Certainly before some alki or f***ing smack-head anyway. I suppose theres lots of different scenarios here and things could have been different. People could have been hurt or allsorts of stuff could have happened.

[paulus 26]

combat stress or any ex forces charity could possibly have helped , but the mod has to be ultimately held responsible as they are the ones discharging damaged individuals back into society without treatment or any form of formal support, this is not a pass the buck situation, this man put himself in harms way so the majority can discuss his situation in comfort and safety

[Lab 10,979]

Do soldiers get physiological assessments before they join?. If not maybe they should. Seems like theres more and more ex serviceman coming out with all manners of illnesses.