Fitter Type English Bull Terrier

[General lee 979]

I ain't stupid enough to post what I have seen them do but I know the ones I have seen and I have seen quite afew were very game at what ever they were tryed at

[BOLIO1 1,078]

LOL, not entirely Fargo, they were all one offs. I think it's a matter of record that some original bull terrier blood was added around 100 years ago to get the coloured dogs (I wont call them Staffordshires because this was long before the original bull terrier received K.C. recognition under the Staffordshire name) but presumably there has been enough coloured x white mating in the interim to have mixed the genes across the breed.

[General lee 979]

 

English bullterriers can make good workers they are surprisingly game and they don't get the credit they deserve

 

What did you try them on?

I ain't stupid enough to post what I have seen them do but the ones I have seen and I have seen quite afew were very game at what ever they were tryed at

[Carlovian 592]

As a breed I think the Bull Terrier fall way behind Staffords.... in gameness and ability.... I know the NATHAN dog Bolio mentioned.. but in general very few Bull terriers proved themselfs in the field or other sports....

[BOLIO1 1,078]

True Carlovian....a pic of an EBT with a mouthful of mangy goat or pig is "proof" of working ability......while a picture of a lurcher doing the same is proof of a "stock worrier". It all depends upon what level of "work" you're satisfied with......apologies again to the original thread starter for the hijack.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

As a breed I think the Bull Terrier fall way behind Staffords.... in gameness and ability.... I know the NATHAN dog Bolio mentioned.. but in general very few Bull terriers proved themselfs in the field or other sports....

i guess its just people chasing pink elephants. where we should just accept that theyre not up to scratch in the earth type trials possibly from poor selection of dogs in the root stock that's just got worse from the show peoples. it could be a challenge for some die hard fans to recreate a game type that becomes a working strain. bar the odd one working

[BOLIO1 1,078]

Recreate Big E? They were originally created as a show dog by James Hinks....from a mix of the original bull terrier and Dalmatian among others, with the intent of producing a show dog version of what his idea of a bull terrier was that would sell, imho. Try to imagine someone crossing an apbt with any other breed today and making it a better dog for the job.....or crossing a racing greyhound with another breed to produce a faster dog for that job....it ain't gonna happen.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

 

 

English bullterriers can make good workers they are surprisingly game and they don't get the credit they deserve

What did you try them on?

I ain't stupid enough to post what I have seen them do but the ones I have seen and I have seen quite afew were very game at what ever they were tryed at

 

I did not say you were stupid,I do not use that language in a civilized debate on dogs.On the BULL TERRIER 2 thread you said,people who say they are useless are IDIOTS.This idiot has giving several personal examples(as have others)why I think they are useless,but you call me idiot for voicing my opinion.If somebody has no personal experiences to add to any debate or something constructive to say, resorting to the language of the guttersnipe is to say the least not very positive.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

Recreate Big E? They were originally created as a show dog by James Hinks....from a mix of the original bull terrier and Dalmatian among others, with the intent of producing a show dog version of what his idea of a bull terrier was that would sell, imho. Try to imagine someone crossing an apbt with any other breed today and making it a better dog for the job.....or crossing a racing greyhound with another breed to produce a faster dog for that job....it ain't gonna happen.

how did the americans create the apbt to better the staff if the staffs were excellent dogs to start with for that type of work?

[BOLIO1 1,078]

The apbt predates the staff by a long way Big E....I would recommend you read some of Richard Strattan's books on the breed. His scientific training as a marine biologist informs his logic and cuts through a lot of the nonsensical popular mythology like a laser.

[BOLIO1 1,078]

Best to best matings over generations improve any functional breed imho

[General lee 979]

 

 

 

English bullterriers can make good workers they are surprisingly game and they don't get the credit they deserve

 

What did you try them on?

I ain't stupid enough to post what I have seen them do but the ones I have seen and I have seen quite afew were very game at what ever they were tryed at

I did not say you were stupid,I do not use that language in a civilized debate on dogs.On the BULL TERRIER 2 thread you said,people who say they are useless are IDIOTS.This idiot has giving several personal examples(as have others)why I think they are useless,but you call me idiot for voicing my opinion.If somebody has no personal experiences to add to any debate or something constructive to say, resorting to the language of the guttersnipe is to say the least not very positive.

my age forbids me to explain my personal experience with these dogs as I was born after the trials but just because some people were around for the trials does by no means make them an expert and to say that ebt are only show dogs is very niev and close minded I have said enough on the subject I will call it a day before I get myself in trouble and just agree to disagree atb

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

The apbt predates the staff by a long way Big E....I would recommend you read some of Richard Strattan's books on the breed. His scientific training as a marine biologist informs his logic and cuts through a lot of the nonsensical popular mythology like a laser.

oh right I didn't know that. im no expert on strong dogs and have had little experience of them, im just intrested in the field workings with them. we always used lurchers for the job if ya know what I mean.

[BOLIO1 1,078]

It's a touchy subject GL I agree. Long past events are best left there. But if these dogs were found wanting....in the main....that long ago, it seems implausible that later generations have suddenly acquired an attribute that was lacking. Which magical process creates proficiency in a breed that is almost uniquely bred to win red cards at kc shows?

[Bosun11 537]

It's a touchy subject GL I agree. Long past events are best left there. But if these dogs were found wanting....in the main....that long ago, it seems implausible that later generations have suddenly acquired an attribute that was lacking. Which magical process creates proficiency in a breed that is almost uniquely bred to win red cards at kc shows?

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