Bull Fighting In Portugal

[patterdale666 1,620]

I was on holiday in portugal and went to see the Bullfighting one of the nights i dont know how they get so many headcases to line up and take on the bull head first after he has been aggravated to f**k by the lad on the horse i should of videoed it but never thought of it i found a video of a recent one on youtube to see what you lads think.

If anyone can add the video from that link please do its wrecking my head trying to do it

 

http://youtu.be/nPIHxPGeFnk

Edited August 8, 2013 by patterdale666

[jonah. 775]

its somthing i've allways wanted to witness myself first hand.

i have a feeling it would leave me with a bad taste in the mouth though to be honest, especially when it gets close to the end and they are stabbing the bull left right and centre...

[patterdale666 1,620]

they stab the bull about 5 or 6 times before they let the team of headcases out to man handle it then they send that bull in a send out a fresh bull they are all branded so its not the same one for the whole thing they had 6 different bulls at the show i was at and one bull couldnt be man handled they failed about 6 or 7 times and had to leave the ring and the best bit was the bull wouldnt follow the cows back inside it wasnt finished dishing out the injuries

[jonah. 775]

if the bull survives and beats the matadors (if thats allowed?), does it get to live out a quiet life eating grass and shagging heffers?

gotta admit to smirking when one of the matadors gets spiked by the bull, especially if they've hammered the bull.

[patterdale666 1,620]

They said they dont kill the bulls anymore and they use a fresh bull for each section of the show

[TOMO 26,025]

Depends wich country,,, in spain there killed,, I out in Spain now,,been watching some bits on the telly,, it's one thing I keep promising myself to go and see first hand,,, but am yet to do..

 

To be honest I like watching it,,, but I do think deep down its a cruel sport,,, but it's great watching a matador get bounced

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

What? So they stick shit in the bull. Then ..... what? Do they get a vet to patch it up? Or do they 'humanely' kill it and butcher it?

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Fail to see why anyone would go to see it, let alone find enjoyment!

Can't see how it can be described as a 'sport' - the animal has no chance of escape, after all.Whole spectacle seems gratuitous and unnecessary to me.

[FARGO BOYLE 24]

I suppose Its their heritage and culture , English men wouldn't understand because they have neither :D

[patterdale666 1,620]

Heres some info i found might help explain better

 

Bullfighting in Portugal traces its roots to ancient times, when Celts fought bulls in pagan festivals. Bullfighting in Portugal today is a snapshot of the 18th century, when a single event changed bullfighting forever.

The Portuguese bullfight is, at first glance, quite simple. A cavaleiro, or rider, dressed in a silk jacket embroidered with gold and lace, and wearing tan riding pants and black boots, takes to the arena atop the renowned Lusitano breed of horse. The Lusitano has a long history as a victor on the battlefields of Asia and Africa, and southern Portugal. The goal of man and horse in a Portuguese bullfight is not to kill the bull, but to draw the bull to a charge and then to place a single dart in the bull’s back muscle. Horse and bull must charge at each other, with the horse suddenly veering off to avoid an impact. Then the rider must place the colorful dart exactly and ride off unscathed.

 

The Marquis of Marialva was a nobleman who had taken the ancient spectacle of the bullfight from a bloody battle to a refined art of horsemanship. This avid horseman wanted to unite man and horse through the bullfighting tradition. The Marquis of Marialva wrote the book on modern Portuguese equestrian bullfighting.

When his son took to the arena on that summer day in the late 18th century in the presence of the king and court, the Marquis of Marialva wanted to pass on to him the title of Master of the Bullfight. For the young Count of Arcos, the task was not as simple. He faced a giant bull in his first fight. No matter what rider and horse did, the bull would not charge. In an act of desperation, the Count of Arcos brought the horse to a perpendicular stop in front of the bull’s horns and placed his dart in the bull’s back. The black bull lurched forward, and pinned the young count beneath the fallen horse’s flank. Within seconds both horse and rider where dead.

 

For the following two generations, bullfighting was banned in Portugal. It returned in the 1830s, and then with significant changes. The rider would wear the same style of jacket and three-cornered hat as the Count of Arcos had worn. But the bull’s horns were to be padded. It also became illegal to kill the bull. In a sense, by losing his son, the Marquis de Marialva insured that bullfighting in Portugal would always be a festival of horsemanship, elegance, and drama.

 

Besides the "cavaleiros" portuguese bullfight has another unique character, the "forcados". When performing a “pega”, eight men enter the arena, the first is the “forcado da cara”, the other seven help you stop the bull, with the last one (rabejador) that holds the tail of the bull, causing imbalance and providing “distraction” for when his companions release the bull, this one does not invest on them. Directly descended from the ancient “Monteiros da Choca”, a group of young men who, with their forked sticks, defended the stairs access to the King’s cabin in the arena. With the decree banned the death of the bulls in the arena , they began to catch the bull (pega), evolving the name from “Monteiros da Choca” to “Moços de Forcado” or simply Forcados.

[DIDO.1 22,591]

The bullfights were my passion for many years and I hope one day to go back to spain to follow the bulls again (after the babys a bit older) I'm not going to go into it here as I would end up feeling the same as arguing about fox hunting with an anti, frustrated, if you enjoy it no reason is necessary if you dont 'get' it no explanation is possible.

 

One thing I will say, its not a sport and you would never hear anyone who loves the bulls describe it as such. In spain its protected as part of the nations culture and heritage, they have done better at protecting their culture than we have here.

 

If you dont like the look of it then at the very least dont demean yourself or lower yourself to the level of an anti by gobbing off and offering an opinion on something you have no knowledge nor experience of.

 

If anyone genuinely has an interest in the bulls and has any questions I will do my best to answer them.

[TOMO 26,025]

It has been banned in a few regions dido,,, I'm sure if my memory serves,,Barcelona banned it last year,,, I bet mushroom knows.

 

Drove down here through Pamplona,, and not for the first time,,, but I've not been to see that either,,mind I've looked at hotels in Pamplona at the bull run and there a fecking fortune,,, and everybody that has an apartment looking over the streets rents there balcony s out. Must do it all one year

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

Well, That's more like it! Nice one, Patters. 'Stick the pin on the bull', eh? On a par with coursing hares with muzzled dogs then? Cool. The Portuguese have just gone well up in my estimation.

 

As for the Donkey Chuckers .....

[j j m 6,533]

its something im not keen on

[DIDO.1 22,591]

TOMO it was banned it Catalonia but that had been on the cards for years, even Hemmingway said it was out of place there 70 years ago. I wouldnt have seen a corrida in catalonia anyway just like I wouldnt go in one of their plastic flamenco bars.