Milked Up Bitch - Epsom Salts

[skycat 6,173]

 

Whatever you may say, I have used this remedy in the past with great results, and have also used the higher potency version to stimulate milk supply, which it did, in abundance. I wouldn't advocate using any 'alternative' remedy without having seen the results for myself, and its not just my perception of the results. Dogs can't be affected by the placebo effect.

 

When I first heard of Urtica Urens I mistakenly got the wrong potency for a bitch who was still in milk weeks after her pups had decided they were weaned: within 8 hours of giving her the wrong one, she was literally dripping with milk and quite uncomfortable. I quickly realised my mistake and got her the correct portency: within a day she had stopped dripping milk and was starting to dry up. I can only say what I have seen with my own eyes. People shouldn't be so quick to disparage something if they haven't tried it for themselves, regardless of the hype.

 

Sandymere is the ultimate doubting Thomas

 

Kess tablets were good but are no longer available, I would be willing to give your old wives tale a go. Are you an old wife?

 

Sort of, though not with the ball and chain paperwork

[weasle 1,119]

Got a 11 month old lurcher bitch that has become milked up.

 

She had her season back in March/April but the milk has only started to show now.

 

Ive got her on Epsom Salts (1 tea spoon per night) and I have cut her water back a bit.

 

My question is how long should i leave it before the milk should dry up. I know its a bit of a broad question but she has been on the salts since Sunday night and there doesnt seem to be much change

 

The milk is only in the back 4 teets at the

 

I am concerned that the salts have given her the shits bad, like water!

 

The milk does not seem to be going hard yet, so im not concerned about Mastitis at the moment

 

Any advice much appreciated

I thought the idea behind Epsom salts was it gives the dog runs?

[brazer 287]

Read up on raspberry tea it is an ideal remedy for phantom pregnancies and tells when to give it to the bitch and how it works

[Sirius 1,391]

Read up on raspberry tea it is an ideal remedy for phantom pregnancies and tells when to give it to the bitch and how it works

Yes Raspberry Leaf Tablets are a licensed veterinery treatment to prevent pseudo or phantom pregnancies and are commonly used. However they are no use given at this late stage as the OP dog is producing milk, they should be administered from the first sign of the season and then for 12 weeks.

[skycat 6,173]

 

Got a 11 month old lurcher bitch that has become milked up.

 

She had her season back in March/April but the milk has only started to show now.

 

Ive got her on Epsom Salts (1 tea spoon per night) and I have cut her water back a bit.

 

My question is how long should i leave it before the milk should dry up. I know its a bit of a broad question but she has been on the salts since Sunday night and there doesnt seem to be much change

 

The milk is only in the back 4 teets at the

 

I am concerned that the salts have given her the shits bad, like water!

 

The milk does not seem to be going hard yet, so im not concerned about Mastitis at the moment

 

Any advice much appreciated

I thought the idea behind Epsom salts was it gives the dog runs?

 

Which just shows how wrong the thinking is behind that! Deliberately giving a dog something to make it scour will dehydrate it: maybe the idea was that if the bitch is dehydrated she'll quit making milk! How bad is that A bit like an athlete trying to lose weight by taking over doses of laxatives. it cannot be a good thing at all, especially when there are other, gentler methods of achieving the same result.

 

I don't know the exact effect of severe dehydration on a dog in physiological terms, but it cause muscle and kidney problems in people, whether that is long term or not I don't know.

[jhiggins 48]

Thanks you all for the advice

 

Just wondering what the best option is for the bitch?

 

1) Stop the Epsom Salts and leave her to dry up on her own

 

2) Use one of the treatments mentioned above? (where would I get them from, vets?)

 

3) Take her to the vets

[C Hall 552]

[bobcullen79 1,495]

Take her the vets. Ive just been through this with my 4yr old terrier. First phantom for her. Course of antibiotics and then spayed.

[skycat 6,173]

Take her the vets. Ive just been through this with my 4yr old terrier. First phantom for her. Course of antibiotics and then spayed.

That's a bit extreme: why did she need antibiotics? Or did she have an infection? Mastitis?

[sandymere 8,263]

_{Jiggins I would give it a while, any signs of mastitis go to vet.}

 

 

 

_{Skycat, Skycat, Skycat you say“Whatever you may say, I have used this remedy in the past with great results, and have also used the higher potency version to stimulate milk supply, which it did, in abundance.” Well that’s a wonderful tale that does my job for me. You prove it wasn’t the sugar pill whilst trying to show it was! Homeopathy supposable “works” on similars and if a product has an effect it will not then have an opposite effect which you suggest happened lol. Perhaps your sub conscious is is trying to get through and is a little more evidence based?}

 

 

 

_{At a guess what happened was a bitch came into milk, it took a while to settle through the negative feedback that millions of years of evolution has developed. You got fed up waiting and commenced sugar pills at about the time it was naturally starting to dry up and rather than say wow, biology is pretty good, you said wow these magic pills are pretty good.}

_{Then when a bitch was producing milk and the pups stopped suckling again it takes a while for the negative feedback to take effect and the production to slow down so they got an overload of milk, you gave some more sugar pills a and when biology again kicked in and you once more rejoiced at the effectiveness of magic rather than plain old biology/ natural selection.}

_{You say “Dogs can't be affected by the placebo effect” please you should know that yes they can but more importantly their owners are effected, ie see what they expect or as in your case link an effect to a treatment when that effect would of happened irrespective of the treatment.}

 

 

_{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_9WcU3lc4 please watch this and then tell me you still believe !!!!! ps has funny clips}

Edited August 9, 2013 by sandymere

[mackay 3,400]

Never had a bitch that had a phantom pregnancy, but over the years I've used Epsom salts many times to dry a bitch up after her pups were weaned.

I'd also add I like pups off a bitch as soon as possible so some of the bitches were still quite heavy in milk. A teaspoon a day for a few days does the trick and the results have to be seen to be appreciated. Loose stools ( as opposed to scouring) does occur, never seen a bitch go down with dehydration due to it being used and it goes without saying access to plenty of fresh water at all times, which should be the case anyway.

[Sirius 1,391]

Listen to ol sceptic lol but I can understand your argument.

 

I agree the logic makes no sense with regard to homeopathy but I have seen it work and know thousands of cases where it has as i work in the veterinery industry, i like logic and scientific evidence myself in this case I don't know but it does seem to work fairly consistantly.

Edited August 9, 2013 by Sirius

[sandymere 8,263]

No it's utter rubbish and the seller make no claims although they do mark the tub medicated which could be seen as misleading. Perhaps this is one best left to those that have no vested interest?

Say the NHS

 

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/homeopathy/Pages/Introduction.aspx

 

Or a professor of alternative medicine, likely the leading mind in this field who is trained as a homeopath as well as a Dr etc etc.

 

 

http://edzardernst.com/2013/07/why-homeopathy-is-so-hard-to-swallow/

Edited August 9, 2013 by sandymere

[C Hall 552]

Never had a bitch that had a phantom pregnancy, but over the years I've used Epsom salts many times to dry a bitch up after her pups were weaned.

I'd also add I like pups off a bitch as soon as possible so some of the bitches were still quite heavy in milk. A teaspoon a day for a few days does the trick and the results have to be seen to be appreciated. Loose stools ( as opposed to scouring) does occur, never seen a bitch go down with dehydration due to it being used and it goes without saying access to plenty of fresh water at all times, which should be the case anyway.

 

That's pretty much the same results I have had using Epsom salts

 

ETA: It was a chemist who first suggested I use Epsom salts when I tried to buy kess tablets and couldn't because they were no longer available.

Edited August 9, 2013 by C Hall

[mushroom 13,209]

My bitch staffy had a phantom whilst the terrier was pregnant, the second the first pup whelped she started lactating. We took her to the vets with the pups and new mum the vet said if she will allow it let her feed the pups as-well (obviously separating the real mother away to prevent fighting) result was massively healthy pups who grew so fast getting the colostrum and milk from two mothers it was impressive. after a while we introduced the pups to the rest of the pack both bitches were very protective of them and the staff even seemed to take a subservient beta role to the terrier bitch. Neither would let the males anywhere near for sometime.

 

I know this is a little off topic but do you not think phantoms may be an evolutionary throwback to wolves and wet-nursing???