Breeding Lurchers From Scratch

[baw 4,360]

once you get past a first cross what constitutes a mongrel ?

Once it stops looking like a lurcher

[Bosun11 537]

 

once you get past a first cross what constitutes a mongrel ?

Once it stops looking like a lurcher

 

No mate, once it stops performing like a lurcher...!

[sandymere 8,263]

How many really test their dogs though? Over the years I've seem plenty of dogs with good breeding that have been used to produce pups but in truth very few were never really tested yet the pups were sold as being bred in the purple, can get away with if those pups are tested but after a couple of gernerations?

See how many racing greyhounds are whelped then the percentage of those that are used for breeding and you'll see whats required for really breeding for performance.

[C Hall 552]

I would imagine breeding for looks will be considerably easier than for working ability

[Sirius 1,391]

So not many people have really grasped the nettle and bred themselves from scratch with a type of dog in mind short of a F1?

Edited August 8, 2013 by Sirius

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Edited August 8, 2013 by Phil Lloyd

[jeemes 4,484]

An interesting subject and one with no easy answers as far as working goes, genetics are pretty simple on paper but in the small complexities of what make a worker are infinitely complex. As an example, I had a good racing bitch, would stay over 600m, very consistent and sound plus good grubber etc, ran sensible on the track to keep out of trouble, inside or out to come through where there was space. So when I was offered her litter brother for free I asked no question just went and picked it up. Fecker couldn’t stay over 275m, noisy troublesome git in the kennel and got a career ending injury cutting across on the first bend after just a few races with us. Thousands of years of close genetic breeding, litter mates, like two peas in a pod yet opposite poles as far as physically capabilities within the context of performance.

 

It’s not difficult to re invent the wheel, ie take a type say terriers, add a smidge of something else like beagle then breed to get a look and call it a new terrier. What’s really happening is to just nick the few hundred years of previous breeding , add a veneer and a name. You could do this with a sight hound types, say mix some grey, saluki and just a smidge of collie or the like and basically you could breed to a certain look, say tri coloured and slightly feathered and in a couple of generations would have a line throwing a consistent type but would it really be new and would any ability be based on the later breeding of just those who went before and how consistent would ability really be?

Interesting though.

The good thing about breeding greyhounds i suppose is there at least a lot of data to go by and not just exaggerated stories of performance. Do you think that in reality there are very few good breeders of Greyhounds and who know and have access to the right lines?I suppose also the diffrence in open class and a grader isnt that great and a lot is in the fine detail with a Greyhound,whereas variables in a family of say rabbiting lurchers might even be useful when being kept has a team.

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

once you get past a first cross what constitutes a mongrel ?

Once it stops looking like a lurcher

No mate, once it stops performing like a lurcher...!

Ammmmmm not 100% agreeing with that lol. I've seen some pretty handy farm collies that would give a decent lampung lurcher a run for there money. I don't think you could judge a lurcher is a lurcher on ability. If that we're the case, half the c**ts on here have never had a lurcher

[boyo 1,398]

 

once you get past a first cross what constitutes a mongrel ?

Once it stops looking like a lurcher

baw i seen plenty of mongrelly looking ones catch a lot of game and looks never put nothing in the bag only rossetes lol.

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

once you get past a first cross what constitutes a mongrel ?

Once it stops looking like a lurcher

baw i seen plenty of mongrelly looking ones catch a lot of game and looks never put nothing in the bag only rossetes lol.

So have I, look at Kat

[birddog 1,354]

this is probably gonna throw the proverbial cat amongst it but.........hancock has successfully been doing it for decades with 3 breeds (greyhound, beardie and border), he has 1st x's, 2nd x's, 3/8 one way, 3/8 the other, reverse 3/4, 7/16 x 9/16th just about every permeation, guys are breeding his dogs together and producing dogs that both look and act like lurchers and have been bred from lurchers

[Malt 379]

If you look at some of the American coyote lads posts, isn't this the same sort of thing they've been doing with their staghounds for a long time? Sure those dogs basically started out as deerhound/greyhound crosses did they not?

[Sirius 1,391]

this is probably gonna throw the proverbial cat amongst it but.........hancock has successfully been doing it for decades with 3 breeds (greyhound, beardie and border), he has 1st x's, 2nd x's, 3/8 one way, 3/8 the other, reverse 3/4, 7/16 x 9/16th just about every permeation, guys are breeding his dogs together and producing dogs that both look and act like lurchers and have been bred from lurchers

Without turning this into a hancock thread. We are talking breeding from dogs which are at least worked to a standard the breeder wants, more than likely excluding the the F1 parents possibly

Edited August 8, 2013 by Sirius

[C Hall 552]

Yes lets not turn this into a hancock topic there is enough of those

[birddog 1,354]

 

this is probably gonna throw the proverbial cat amongst it but.........hancock has successfully been doing it for decades with 3 breeds (greyhound, beardie and border), he has 1st x's, 2nd x's, 3/8 one way, 3/8 the other, reverse 3/4, 7/16 x 9/16th just about every permeation, guys are breeding his dogs together and producing dogs that both look and act like lurchers and have been bred from lurchers

Without turning this into a hancock thread. We are talking breeding from dogs which are tested or at least worked to a standard the breeder wants, more than likely excluding the the F1 parents

 

that'll be under...........'guys are breeding his dogs together and producing dogs that both look and act like lurchers', there are guys that work his dogs