Line Breeding

[borderbitch 24]

Realy gud read very intresting. So can some one answer this going down the inbreeding route with culling in process if nes, 1dog 2 bitches they are all realated brother and sisters how would you breed to keep close to type ie the offspring in which to keep from the bitches to breed bk ext

[Bossie 90]

@ BB

I would not breed a brother to his two sisters and expect that this will be a good base for further breeding. They are to closely related to start with. Or am I not getting you statement that they are all related brothers and sisters....

[Bossie 90]

 

 

The biggest problem with breeding this close is that any genetic faults that the dog/bitch are carrying (recessive genes)once doubled up due to inbreeding can/will come to the surface,if you go down this route be prepared to cull hard.....I have done a father /daughter mating with no apparent problems,still see some of the pups(5 yrs old now)all seems well,but to be totally honest I wouldn't breed this close again

Spot on ! but if you are "Line breeding" or "in breeding" any genetic faults that come to the surface are not a problem as that is the point to -:

 

1) bring the good traits to the surface and retain them, or 2) bring the bad traits to the surface and eliminate them,

 

and as you rightly say be prepared to cull hard.

 

Here's a copy of a renowned breeders pedigree plan ... select your stud sire male (A) ..the one your trying to replicate or at least retain as many of his good traits as possible now obtain the best 2 proven producer females B and C Right here we go -:

mate A to B and keep a daughter (D) then also mate A to D and keep a son (E) now (still following) mate A to C and keep a daughter (F) and then also mate A to F and keep a daughter (G) now finally mate E to G producing H the owner of the pedigree, i will try and lay it out in normal pedigree format

A

E A

D

B

H

A

 

G A

F

C

 

hope it makes sense the male always on top of a pairing ... so this complete pedigree "line bred" to A. and if you do the maths H is 75% of A so should have inherited a good percentage of the desired traits ! interesting subject .

 

 

 

 

@BB

Here's an example of a breeding plan posted by another member.

In any breeding plan especially when you will be mating closely related individuals you have to have sound stock. In my opinion this would also mean having the stock x-rayed and maybe consider DNA testing. You can only get very healthy offspring if you use sound breeding material.

That's where most people go wrong.

To start line breeding in a line of your own you have to source stock from other breeders that have been breeding to a very high standard and have been line breeding themselves.

I'd wouldn't hesitate to breed father/mother to daughter/son but litter mates to each other is to close for comfort if you'd ask me.

[borderbitch 24]

Realy gud read very intresting. So can some one answer this going down the inbreeding route with culling in process if nes, 1dog 2 bitches they are all realated brother and sisters how would you breed to keep close to type ie the offspring in which to keep from the bitches to breed bk ext

[borderbitch 24]

Its all gud to read [BANNED TEXT] about breeding one brother to one sister keeping a dog pup and puting it bk to the other sister if they are of sound type or puting the dog pup to a pup off the other sisters pup from a diffrent stud

[the_stig 6,614]

inbreeding for likeness be it looks or performance ----- inbreeding will produce the same faults as line breeding but generations earlier ..

[borderbitch 24]

So it wud be better to find out earlier rather than later on in the line

[the_stig 6,614]

 

 

 

line breeding and inbreeding are the best ways of getting the best results. look at the American pit bull terrier, this breed is the most line bred and inbred breed in the world or was when dog matching was legal and all the best dogs came from closely bred lines who proved them selves time and time again. there is no problem with line breeding or inbreeding when its done [bANNED TEXT] and out crossed every 3 to 4 generations or less. if anybody is thinking of line breeding or inbreeding my advice is to research it properly first and do it with thought and care for the dog because its hard to get [bANNED TEXT] and easy to get wrong.

In the box, Line bred pits aren't usually worth a rub

 

I wouldn't agree with that from what research iv done 95% of the best pits were inbred and line bred. there is a countless number of line bred ch, gr ch and rom dogs just check out game dog its all there.

 

IMO think a lot of the best produced of any animals -; dogs,pigeons,horses is the inbred or line bred then crossed with another inbred or line bred family (IE) 3rd generation bull x g/hound to 3rd generation deer hound x g/hound, or in pigeons Busschaert x Janssen 2 inbred families BUT always

the best you can get NEVER NEVER NEVER breed from anything unless it is as good as or better than you have got ! this crossing of inbred or line

bred then give you as Llywelyn says HYBRID VIGOUR but from a proven source not any old collie,beddie etc put to any old g/hound ......................

"BLOOD WILL TELL" just some food for thought !

 

some of the best show cattle.pigs,sheep and racing greyhounds --inbreeding -----------------I was inbreeding racing pigeons back in the 70s and getting results

[the_stig 6,614]

So it wud be better to find out earlier rather than later on in the line

you might not get any faults in the line but we aint got forever to mess about --- I`d take the short cut and in breed----if you get your faults tough ..just my view but crack on and try its the best way to find out ..

[riohog 5,721]

"breed tight cull hard"

[shellfish 63]

its makes a change not to have a good thread ruined good reading and views .personally i think

you have got it right bossie and its all my land after dark as you stated its been happening for years

imo its the only way to go

[Dead Eyes 681]

Its all my land after 12 said what I was saying a bit better.

 

Let's compare lurchers to pits

 

You might have a gh that is fast as you like but it won't catch too much by itself.

 

Cross that with a terrier and you're going to keep most of the speed but add in a little more grit

 

Cross with a saluki or collie for stamina

 

With pits you take a dumb (or dead) game line and cross it with a hard mouthed line for a box dog

 

Jeep/redboy for example

 

Or jeep/redboy/jocko

 

The jrbj LINEBRED dogs always need some extra vigour at one point or another

 

The best lines nowadays seem to be in the far east and Latin America. There's still big money events in America too

 

Not too sure that you'd take collies and LINEBRED them though. Don't know too much about them but it seems pointless to me? Happy to be corrected

[BIGLURKS 874]

Very good thread this thx everyone

[D Lloyd 2,790]

very good topic with some good points. i have bred full brother and sister with good results no probs with any pups out of the litter other than one being a bit on the small side if you can call that a problem.i then mated one of the pups to a out cross at age 5 iv got two handy pups here now that mite well make the grade in the rabbiting game. if so i would be tempted to put one back to its mothers full sister what do you think of that?????????? be nice

[northern lad 2,292]

Sounds like a Jeremy Kyle storyline I bred father to daughter with no problems ,pups are 5 ish now and healthy....cant see any problems in a mating with the Auntie