Playing With A Cub

[Wales1234 5,541]

Just keep putting stuff in front of her mate thats all you can do mate goood luck

[BIGLURKS 874]

Some times all it takes is a bite back and things will change and some times some dogs just won't do teeth I had a little bitch that was so temperamental that she would run them too ground with out touching them just running along side all the time even taking stick doing it I kept her on for 3 and a half years and she never changed and her brother done same thing till the dog got a bite back and changed completely overnight change too catch shake crush move on but like you said if you don't do teeth then would not worry about it but I did find that bitch had a terrible strike on rabbits she would do the same thing with foxes and rabbits just lacked taking the plunge too strike and missed more then she got

[skycat 6,173]

It sounds as though it might be helpful for you to get an experienced mentor to help bring your lurcher on. You say that you only got her a few months ago: what sort of a life did she have before you got her? From the sounds of it she hadn't had much in the way of field training or experience: could be wrong of course. There are lurchers which never manage to make the grade, no matter who rears and enters them.

 

As far as the cub is concerned: if the pup has never had any other dog to show it the ropes, hasn't been out in the field much, it is understandable that she only wanted to chase it around. Anything running will stimulate the chase instinct, but not necessarily the instinct to kill: there is a big difference to chasing and actually grabbing hold and killing.

 

Maybe someone on here would be willing to take you under their wing and bring you and the pup on a bit? Whereabouts do you live?

[tjones3862 3,423]

wud not bother me,, you only kill them and chuck them in a bush to rote away,, leave them for the gun men and they mite leave the rabbits alone,,,whishfull thinking,,lol

[Bazil brush 474]

yeah dogs do mature at all different times......................but lets not fool anyone here ................I would be very concerned from a dog of that age ............

same scenario as a terrier not wanting to go down a hole.............I find the best are naturally young starters...........even tho there are decent dogs who mature slow.........

if a dog has got it..............its got it, and I would sooner have a dog wanting and having to hold it back because of age ...............than one who really hasn't found its purpose and stays in that play mentality.......it don't mean give up as im a firm believer in a dog giving time,.......but lets be honest I wouldn't be to pleased ........and what comes more natural than a smell of a fox.......but there is some sound advice on here and maybe this is just my preference.......

Comparing a lurcher to a terrier say no more! This dogs a whippet x not a fukin bull x

[skycat 6,173]

 

yeah dogs do mature at all different times......................but lets not fool anyone here ................I would be very concerned from a dog of that age ............

same scenario as a terrier not wanting to go down a hole.............I find the best are naturally young starters...........even tho there are decent dogs who mature slow.........

if a dog has got it..............its got it, and I would sooner have a dog wanting and having to hold it back because of age ...............than one who really hasn't found its purpose and stays in that play mentality.......it don't mean give up as im a firm believer in a dog giving time,.......but lets be honest I wouldn't be to pleased ........and what comes more natural than a smell of a fox.......but there is some sound advice on here and maybe this is just my preference.......

Comparing a lurcher to a terrier say no more! This dogs a whippet x not a fukin bull x

 

Dead right there: a lot of lurchers just don't see foxes as prey at all. Others need to be at least 2 years old with a lot of other game under their belts before the actual kill instinct kicks in, and some never do with foxes.

[Saluki246 1,053]

 

 

yeah dogs do mature at all different times......................but lets not fool anyone here ................I would be very concerned from a dog of that age ............

same scenario as a terrier not wanting to go down a hole.............I find the best are naturally young starters...........even tho there are decent dogs who mature slow.........

if a dog has got it..............its got it, and I would sooner have a dog wanting and having to hold it back because of age ...............than one who really hasn't found its purpose and stays in that play mentality.......it don't mean give up as im a firm believer in a dog giving time,.......but lets be honest I wouldn't be to pleased ........and what comes more natural than a smell of a fox.......but there is some sound advice on here and maybe this is just my preference.......

Comparing a lurcher to a terrier say no more! This dogs a whippet x not a fukin bull x

 

Dead right there: a lot of lurchers just don't see foxes as prey at all. Others need to be at least 2 years old with a lot of other game under their belts before the actual kill instinct kicks in, and some never do with foxes.

 

 

Good point. I had a lurcher that did not kill her first single handed fox till she was 3, before this she would not course them on her own, just kill them with other dogs.

[resistance 189]

If another dog started banjoing it about it would of been difrent but being young and never done much on the way off that then not a big deal ovcourse its disapointing not seing the things you expect to see,am sure when older and wiser it be a difrent story all depends what u want it for but instinct usualy kicks in at some point

[redpat1 225]

It sounds as though it might be helpful for you to get an experienced mentor to help bring your lurcher on. You say that you only got her a few months ago: what sort of a life did she have before you got her? From the sounds of it she hadn't had much in the way of field training or experience: could be wrong of course. There are lurchers which never manage to make the grade, no matter who rears and enters them.

 

As far as the cub is concerned: if the pup has never had any other dog to show it the ropes, hasn't been out in the field much, it is understandable that she only wanted to chase it around. Anything running will stimulate the chase instinct, but not necessarily the instinct to kill: there is a big difference to chasing and actually grabbing hold and killing.

 

Maybe someone on here would be willing to take you under their wing and bring you and the pup on a bit? Whereabouts do you live?

The former owner kept her back from the litter where she was very well looked after by a knowledgeable guy but he never showed her anything as he was involved in other things and couldn't find the time for both her and her mother. I got her at a year because of the last catastrophe my wife didn't want a young pup in the house, especially as my little boy is just starting to get about by himself.

I live in Medway in Kent but most of my mates aren't really interested in hunting and don't get it at all, I pity them. lol. Between a terrier who has reverted back to not going to the toilet outside at night and a lurcher who wants to cuddle up to game, all considered its going great! lol.

We will just persevere, when it all clicks it will be all the more worthwhile.

[whippet 99 2,613]

 

yeah dogs do mature at all different times......................but lets not fool anyone here ................I would be very concerned from a dog of that age ............

same scenario as a terrier not wanting to go down a hole.............I find the best are naturally young starters...........even tho there are decent dogs who mature slow.........

if a dog has got it..............its got it, and I would sooner have a dog wanting and having to hold it back because of age ...............than one who really hasn't found its purpose and stays in that play mentality.......it don't mean give up as im a firm believer in a dog giving time,.......but lets be honest I wouldn't be to pleased ........and what comes more natural than a smell of a fox.......but there is some sound advice on here and maybe this is just my preference.......

Comparing a lurcher to a terrier say no more! This dogs a whippet x not a fukin bull x

 

I wasn't comparing ,.....I was using it as an example of terriers being slow too mature ,not entering , being playful its the same princible ,.........some will go early some wont.......I didn't realise the lad not long had the dog ,.........well that explains a lot more and people who been in the game will know the crack ...........its probably been in a kennel most of its life and is very slow due to its shite past............I thought the pup been out mooching from the beginning ,..........this exsplains a lot.....

a lurcher can change anytime in its life too foxes ..........the dog is months behind and will take time too come round ,..all too common this problem.........

@ basil brush whippet x ,..........call it what ever .........even my shivering whippet at 19tts use to kill cubs (not intentionally as im not about that).........before the ban ,........the x don't mean shite what will kill a cub or not .....

the dogs green bud and what that dog did ,.........I wouldn't worry as its not seen nothing , it hasn't been educated , my mistake I thought you had it from a pup ,.......the hole point of getting pups out is too mouth a few rabbits caught by the older dogs and exsperince smells and how the rest of the dogs react to it...............if the dogs as green due too not being out then I really wouldn't worry

[redpat1 225]

 

 

yeah dogs do mature at all different times......................but lets not fool anyone here ................I would be very concerned from a dog of that age ............

same scenario as a terrier not wanting to go down a hole.............I find the best are naturally young starters...........even tho there are decent dogs who mature slow.........

if a dog has got it..............its got it, and I would sooner have a dog wanting and having to hold it back because of age ...............than one who really hasn't found its purpose and stays in that play mentality.......it don't mean give up as im a firm believer in a dog giving time,.......but lets be honest I wouldn't be to pleased ........and what comes more natural than a smell of a fox.......but there is some sound advice on here and maybe this is just my preference.......

Comparing a lurcher to a terrier say no more! This dogs a whippet x not a fukin bull x

 

I wasn't comparing ,.....I was using it as an example of terriers being slow too mature ,not entering , being playful its the same princible ,.........some will go early some wont.......I didn't realise the lad not long had the dog ,.........well that explains a lot more and people who been in the game will know the crack ...........its probably been in a kennel most of its life and is very slow due to its shite past............I thought the pup been out mooching with the beginning ,..........this exsplains a lot.....

a lurcher can change anytime in its life too foxes ..........the dog is months behind and will take time too come round ,..all too common this problem.........

@ basil brush whippet x ,..........call it what ever .........even my shivering whippet at 19tts use to kill cubs (not intentionally as im not about that).........before the ban ,........the x don't mean shite what will kill a cub or not .....

 

Don't get me wrong, the dog had been very well looked after, well socialised and was very happy and well exercised just not taken on trips to hunt I believe. I don't think she is behind in any way, I think any issues that she has are down to her nature. I wouldn't say she is a nervous dog or a particularly confident dog but sits somewhere in between either end of the scale. I have just come back from an hour or so of just me and her and she will walk to heel, sit and come to me on command. She loves to see people and other dogs when out so apart from the issue we are discussing I don't feel there are any other problems. She just seems to have little in the way of a desire to hunt. lol. Although I will admit we did see an adolescent squirrel today and she took off like a rocket, I just worry that if she had managed to get on terms with it she might have licked it to death!

[beast 1,884]

there are a few points here, i feel

 

first, some dogs simply will never take foxes, i've even sen a couple which as they got older didnt even bother chasing them. some will only learn after being run with another dog, some will catch them until they get bit, then hold back, others will not want to get involved but end up getting bit and thats the thing which switches them on. and some are just demons to fox by nature. all different.

 

second, whether or not a dog takes foxes makes no difference at all to whether it will be a decent rabbit dog. although all the fox dogs i've seen would also take rabbits (with varying dgrees of success!) i've seen superb rabbitng dogs which just couldnt be persuaded to kill foxes, even run with othe rdogs some would lay off when htings got heavy

 

thirdly, the pup is still young and much too early to know how it will end up. there are very very few dogs which totally lack any prey drive, some just take a while to grow into it and some it lies deep hidden but its easily switched on. the fact that your pup was running the fox shows it wants to chase, so no problem.

 

stop worrying, it will be fine!

[bird 9,933]

there are a few points here, i feel

 

first, some dogs simply will never take foxes, i've even sen a couple which as they got older didnt even bother chasing them. some will only learn after being run with another dog, some will catch them until they get bit, then hold back, others will not want to get involved but end up getting bit and thats the thing which switches them on. and some are just demons to fox by nature. all different.

 

second, whether or not a dog takes foxes makes no difference at all to whether it will be a decent rabbit dog. although all the fox dogs i've seen would also take rabbits (with varying dgrees of success!) i've seen superb rabbitng dogs which just couldnt be persuaded to kill foxes, even run with othe rdogs some would lay off when htings got heavy

 

thirdly, the pup is still young and much too early to know how it will end up. there are very very few dogs which totally lack any prey drive, some just take a while to grow into it and some it lies deep hidden but its easily switched on. the fact that your pup was running the fox shows it wants to chase, so no problem.

 

stop worrying, it will be fine!

 

 

spot on

[spiderfly 111]

You should have let the patterdale go to ground and dig it , you"d know what she'd do then only joking! relax , she'll be fine get her rabbits then when the time is right let her play with him again and you should see a big change

[fitchet 788]

Think you could do with someone to show you and your young dog the ropes mate.atb