"digging Bitches"

[Bosun11 537]

 

I'd agree with you there MB and that can be the downside of it all. My take on it, as I said before, is that the working terrier would be in a much better place if folk valued and kept more bitches. We now live in a world of names, names of terriermen, names of dogs, names of clubs, books...etc. So lets favour the dog, like a dog, got a good dog, got a name for yourself, got a name for your dog. That dog is that good you wanna put it to open stud but we ain't gonna call it open stud because it sounds a bit 'wrong', so lets say available to 'selected bitches' and they start coming....Nice litters produced too, names getting bigger, bitches are getting less selected because now it a friend of a friend an you ain't seen it graft but hear its ok... So how many bitches is that now..? Oh, it don't matter too much, if ya didn't know much about that other why care now and that money helps...! Hey, this kids keen, bitch is shite but i'm helping him along, his stock 'should' improve...! That's how many linings this year, thats how many pups..? This dogs a cracker though, should be 'some' handy animals about.... How are those pups lookin..? So now you flip it....Lets favour the bitch, like a bitch gotta good bitch, got a name for yourself, got a name for that bitch. Because whether you have or you ain't, when it comes to breeding from her the ONLY thing your gonna do is put her to THE best dog you possibly can, no if's but's or maybe's.... How are those pups lookin now..???????

Good post bosun.... Didn't want to be an ass lick lol

 

As said, its just my take on the scene for the past few years and the point of just how much a dog could produce in comparison to a bitch and the fact that a dog could be a fantastic working animal but a poor producer but if its used as above, the damage is already done.

[tinytiger 840]

Dogs and bitches the same?

Greyhound dogs seem to dominate track records.

In bulldogs dogs and bitches weren't matched.

 

Maybe they are a little different?

but youd get bitches that throw a much higher percentage of winners-e.g mega delight the mother of westmead hawk-2 english derby winners and a finalist.Theres dogs with thousands of pups that couldnt match her production record.Then again every stud she was put to was top class wheras every bitch that was put to the pop[ular stud dog probably wasnt.

[marshman 7,758]

 

 

Dogs and bitches the same?

Greyhound dogs seem to dominate track records.

In bulldogs dogs and bitches weren't matched.

 

Maybe they are a little different?

but youd get bitches that throw a much higher percentage of winners-e.g mega delight the mother of westmead hawk-2 english derby winners and a finalist.Theres dogs with thousands of pups that couldnt match her production record.Then again every stud she was put to was top class wheras every bitch that was put to the pop[ular stud dog probably wasnt.

mate these bitches where they top class racers themselves ?

[Ripstop 89]

I wouldnt say top class racers are the same as digging bitches, considering what they might have to endure under ground, ie cold, wet, time, fiery quarry etc, at anyone time the bitch could get sick and come out to safety. whereas racers no matter what, most will run.

[Cleanspade 3,323]

when working a bitch . would you make exeptions for hormones. (serious question).

[dev 227]

when working a bitch . would you make exeptions for hormones. (serious question).

Yes, I wont work a bitch in season

[Cleanspade 3,323]

 

when working a bitch . would you make exeptions for hormones. (serious question).

Yes, I wont work a bitch in season

 

i wouldnt work a bitch in season due to risk of infection. the reason i asked was years ago i had a good little bitch. done a fair bit with her. she let me down twice. once was not long after losing a litter in a c/section. and then again a couple of seasons later after a false pregnancy.. apart from these two times she was spot on

i always rated this bitch despite the two cock ups. ive often wondered if folk notice a different workstyle coming up to the season.? cheers

[Tommy pepper 222]

i worked both my bitches in season last season one was as useless as ever and the other was normal never noticed a diffrence

[bobby blackheart 1,209]

 

 

when working a bitch . would you make exeptions for hormones. (serious question).

Yes, I wont work a bitch in season

 

i wouldnt work a bitch in season due to risk of infection. the reason i asked was years ago i had a good little bitch. done a fair bit with her. she let me down twice. once was not long after losing a litter in a c/section. and then again a couple of seasons later after a false pregnancy.. apart from these two times she was spot on

i always rated this bitch despite the two cock ups. ive often wondered if folk notice a different workstyle coming up to the season.? cheers

 

i tried my bitch after she miscarried-first time she let me down-didnt have any other dogs other than pups with us to try- earth wasnt any harder/tighter than any she had worked before-i put it down to the weather and not letting her settle tidy ,the bitch didnt seem right before or after we dug her out-pray she is right when i start in a few weeks-never thought about it being hormonal mind interesting theory CS-bitch looks plump hope she not having or had a phantom that will piss on the chips for sure atb

[BS40liam 203]

Any pics of the sire from the gouldy bull bitch breeding'

he's nuttal wheeler bred ? (edited to add another photo) Edited August 11, 2013 by BS40liam

[Bryan 1,362]

 

 

Dogs and bitches the same?

Greyhound dogs seem to dominate track records.

In bulldogs dogs and bitches weren't matched.

 

Maybe they are a little different?

but youd get bitches that throw a much higher percentage of winners-e.g mega delight the mother of westmead hawk-2 english derby winners and a finalist.Theres dogs with thousands of pups that couldnt match her production record.Then again every stud she was put to was top class wheras every bitch that was put to the pop[ular stud dog probably wasnt.

I think that was Cleanspade's point.

 

Mine is that on average dogs are physically stronger and this should be considered when assessing a bitch. Dogs and bitched Are not the same.

[Bryan 1,362]

when working a bitch . would you make exeptions for hormones. (serious question).

Bitches can be affected for an entire season after pups. Seen it often in hounds.

Post Natal Depression affects up to 25% of women.

Bitches also usually get a break or 2 during the season because of being "in use/season" which affects fitness and the amount of time each year there are exposed to work.

 

Its worth noting that under Irish and separately English law a woman who kills their child within a year of giving birth is guilty of manslaughter rather than murder. Infanticide.

Law recognises that the balance of the mind may no fully recover within a year of giving birth and is also affected by the hormonal changes during lactation.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

I'd agree with you there MB and that can be the downside of it all.

 

My take on it, as I said before, is that the working terrier would be in a much better place if folk valued and kept more bitches. We now live in a world of names, names of terriermen, names of dogs, names of clubs, books...etc.

 

So lets favour the dog, like a dog, got a good dog, got a name for yourself, got a name for your dog. That dog is that good you wanna put it to open stud but we ain't gonna call it open stud because it sounds a bit 'wrong', so lets say available to 'selected bitches' and they start coming....

Nice litters produced too, names getting bigger, bitches are getting less selected because now it's a friend of a friend an you ain't seen it graft but hear its ok... So how many bitches is that now..? Oh, it don't matter too much, if ya didn't know much about that other one, why care now and that money helps...! Hey, this kids keen, bitch is shite but i'm helping him along, his stock 'should' improve...! That's how many linings this year, thats how many pups..? This dogs a cracker though, should be 'some' handy animals about.... How are those pups lookin..?

 

So now you flip it....

Lets favour the bitch, like a bitch gotta good bitch, got a name for yourself, got a name for that bitch. Because whether you have or you ain't, when it comes to breeding from her the ONLY thing your gonna do is put her to THE best dog you possibly can, no if's but's or maybe's.... How are those pups lookin now..???????

 

 

The only person with any understanding of what makes a lines good or bad .nice post mate was going to but you saved me the trouble .

The dog is the most important ingredient in creating a line and not just a one off but that said GOOD bitches need to be covered by it.

[smasher 1,055]

 

when working a bitch . would you make exeptions for hormones. (serious question).

Bitches can be affected for an entire season after pups. Seen it often in hounds.

Post Natal Depression affects up to 25% of women.

Bitches also usually get a break or 2 during the season because of being "in use/season" which affects fitness and the amount of time each year there are exposed to work.

 

Its worth noting that under Irish and separately English law a woman who kills their child within a year of giving birth is guilty of manslaughter rather than murder. Infanticide.

Law recognises that the balance of the mind may no fully recover within a year of giving birth and is also affected by the hormonal changes during lactation.

 

On the other end of the scale some bitches attitude towards work improves after having a litter,for some its like a switch has been flicked,personaly I don't work a bitch in season as I think it definatly effects there performance,and yes women are tempremental creatures at the best of times Bryan lol

[Billy Warren 43]

right now im going to get some stick but hire me out (i know im straying off a bit)

 

i work plummers and as we all know there ant that meany that work to ground on a regular bases. i'v got 3 bitches and a dog. the dog is a steady bayer n mixes when needed to. my old girl will go to ground and stay till dug not the best but gets the job dun. wisper well she will never mack the grad to ground but red hot on rat rabbit (the only reason i still have her). china (20 month old) only has 1/2 season under her belt but has the protenshal to be a good bitch to ground a bit hard for her own good but will have to learn fast as its her tern this season.

 

i was out with some boy's that work black dog's, one entered a black bitch of about the same age as my bitch saying shes this and that biging the bitch up, at 18 month 2 year old all ready had a litter out of her to a good black dog (the dog sold the pups) but any way this bitch could not hold it quarry and the bitch come out and did not go back in (jacked to me) i pout china in had a rattle about for a bout 20 min till we got a strong mark at 7ft dug a dispatched. now to my bitch is the top bitch to them. so to me i think the standards to most people have dropped.

 

i know plummers will never be to the same standards as pat's or fell's as a breed in hole but you will get the odd lines that will hold there own to black dog's