1/4 Sight Hound Lurchers

[shaaark 10,932]

 

 

 

myself and some fellas i used to hang about with have had colliexbitza lurchers and they usually make good tough knockabout lurchers. temperament wise they are often a little more stable than first crosses, but physically to be honest i'm not sure they bring anything to the tale that the right first cross lacks (if you get my drift!)

 

i was just thinking about these lurchers with alot of collie in the mix, and regards lamping people keep saying how good they are .? Well ive been lamping few years now lol, and i know like few lads on here that some rabbits you lamp, can feckin shift And sometimes you deff need that extra gear to get up and put a strike in, not all rabbits are easy+slow. My dog Bryn very fast for a 1x collie x grey, to be honest it was a good job with some rabbits he as caught or they would have got away they not all easy to catch . Some places you go to most dogs will get good bags, but you drop on a hard patch where they dont hang about, a faster type dog with bit more hound really make a bigger bag fact .!

 

I'd agree with that bird, don't know about some of these places around the country where the ground is more conducive to less sighthoundy dogs catching, but most places I've been, unless you've got a pacy dog you'd be going home unhappy. Just to clarify, I like some of these less sighthoundy types, but for me they don't have enough pace

 

I agree with both of you lads. they often lack that all out pace of a more sighthoundy dog. But they do have a very robust nature that keeps them on the road, far more than some of the outright speedsters. Think of them as the Subaru Forrester of the lurcher world.

 

Yep, on the right ground they do ok, sometimes very good, but even on land which is quite thickly wooded with alot of bramble and scrub, I've found whippety, really quick types to be more effective. And in open, fairly level areas, a dog with more pace is a must. I'm talking about most of the places I've worked dogs on. Not knocking these types, I like em

[trenchfoot 4,243]

 

 

 

 

myself and some fellas i used to hang about with have had colliexbitza lurchers and they usually make good tough knockabout lurchers. temperament wise they are often a little more stable than first crosses, but physically to be honest i'm not sure they bring anything to the tale that the right first cross lacks (if you get my drift!)

 

i was just thinking about these lurchers with alot of collie in the mix, and regards lamping people keep saying how good they are .? Well ive been lamping few years now lol, and i know like few lads on here that some rabbits you lamp, can feckin shift And sometimes you deff need that extra gear to get up and put a strike in, not all rabbits are easy+slow. My dog Bryn very fast for a 1x collie x grey, to be honest it was a good job with some rabbits he as caught or they would have got away they not all easy to catch . Some places you go to most dogs will get good bags, but you drop on a hard patch where they dont hang about, a faster type dog with bit more hound really make a bigger bag fact .!

 

I'd agree with that bird, don't know about some of these places around the country where the ground is more conducive to less sighthoundy dogs catching, but most places I've been, unless you've got a pacy dog you'd be going home unhappy. Just to clarify, I like some of these less sighthoundy types, but for me they don't have enough pace

 

I agree with both of you lads. they often lack that all out pace of a more sighthoundy dog. But they do have a very robust nature that keeps them on the road, far more than some of the outright speedsters. Think of them as the Subaru Forrester of the lurcher world.

 

Yep, on the right ground they do ok, sometimes very good, but even on land which is quite thickly wooded with alot of bramble and scrub, I've found whippety, really quick types to be more effective. And in open, fairly level areas, a dog with more pace is a must. I'm talking about most of the places I've worked dogs on. Not knocking these types, I like em

 

this one ain't lacking in pace in woody, scrubby areas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but this one is!

 

[shaaark 10,932]

 

 

 

 

 

myself and some fellas i used to hang about with have had colliexbitza lurchers and they usually make good tough knockabout lurchers. temperament wise they are often a little more stable than first crosses, but physically to be honest i'm not sure they bring anything to the tale that the right first cross lacks (if you get my drift!)

 

i was just thinking about these lurchers with alot of collie in the mix, and regards lamping people keep saying how good they are .? Well ive been lamping few years now lol, and i know like few lads on here that some rabbits you lamp, can feckin shift And sometimes you deff need that extra gear to get up and put a strike in, not all rabbits are easy+slow. My dog Bryn very fast for a 1x collie x grey, to be honest it was a good job with some rabbits he as caught or they would have got away they not all easy to catch . Some places you go to most dogs will get good bags, but you drop on a hard patch where they dont hang about, a faster type dog with bit more hound really make a bigger bag fact .!

 

I'd agree with that bird, don't know about some of these places around the country where the ground is more conducive to less sighthoundy dogs catching, but most places I've been, unless you've got a pacy dog you'd be going home unhappy. Just to clarify, I like some of these less sighthoundy types, but for me they don't have enough pace

 

I agree with both of you lads. they often lack that all out pace of a more sighthoundy dog. But they do have a very robust nature that keeps them on the road, far more than some of the outright speedsters. Think of them as the Subaru Forrester of the lurcher world.

 

Yep, on the right ground they do ok, sometimes very good, but even on land which is quite thickly wooded with alot of bramble and scrub, I've found whippety, really quick types to be more effective. And in open, fairly level areas, a dog with more pace is a must. I'm talking about most of the places I've worked dogs on. Not knocking these types, I like em

 

this one ain't lacking in pace in woody, scrubby areas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but this one is!

 

 

I suppose as well that it's how racy/sighthoundy they turn out %age-wise. Some pups will be quicker than others in the same litter. Anyway, as I've said, I like em, and sesku's pup is very nice

[bird 10,004]

 

 

 

 

 

 

myself and some fellas i used to hang about with have had colliexbitza lurchers and they usually make good tough knockabout lurchers. temperament wise they are often a little more stable than first crosses, but physically to be honest i'm not sure they bring anything to the tale that the right first cross lacks (if you get my drift!)

 

i was just thinking about these lurchers with alot of collie in the mix, and regards lamping people keep saying how good they are .? Well ive been lamping few years now lol, and i know like few lads on here that some rabbits you lamp, can feckin shift And sometimes you deff need that extra gear to get up and put a strike in, not all rabbits are easy+slow. My dog Bryn very fast for a 1x collie x grey, to be honest it was a good job with some rabbits he as caught or they would have got away they not all easy to catch . Some places you go to most dogs will get good bags, but you drop on a hard patch where they dont hang about, a faster type dog with bit more hound really make a bigger bag fact .!

 

I'd agree with that bird, don't know about some of these places around the country where the ground is more conducive to less sighthoundy dogs catching, but most places I've been, unless you've got a pacy dog you'd be going home unhappy. Just to clarify, I like some of these less sighthoundy types, but for me they don't have enough pace

 

I agree with both of you lads. they often lack that all out pace of a more sighthoundy dog. But they do have a very robust nature that keeps them on the road, far more than some of the outright speedsters. Think of them as the Subaru Forrester of the lurcher world.

 

Yep, on the right ground they do ok, sometimes very good, but even on land which is quite thickly wooded with alot of bramble and scrub, I've found whippety, really quick types to be more effective. And in open, fairly level areas, a dog with more pace is a must. I'm talking about most of the places I've worked dogs on. Not knocking these types, I like em

 

this one ain't lacking in pace in woody, scrubby areas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but this one is!

 

 

I suppose as well that it's how racy/sighthoundy they turn out %age-wise. Some pups will be quicker than others in the same litter. Anyway, as I've said, I like em, and sesku's pup is very nice

 

 

true that, ive had 2 dogs before same height+weight, Blaze, colliex grey and Bruce bullx grey.Now both were good dogs on rabbit+ fox as ive said on here before.But to honest the colliex was that bit more agile and better strike, it the build and natural abilty of collies to twist+turn when running , bullxs got differnt muscle structure that makes it bit harder compare to the colliex.And as said both these dog were same size height+weight to regards catching

[shaaark 10,932]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

myself and some fellas i used to hang about with have had colliexbitza lurchers and they usually make good tough knockabout lurchers. temperament wise they are often a little more stable than first crosses, but physically to be honest i'm not sure they bring anything to the tale that the right first cross lacks (if you get my drift!)

 

i was just thinking about these lurchers with alot of collie in the mix, and regards lamping people keep saying how good they are .? Well ive been lamping few years now lol, and i know like few lads on here that some rabbits you lamp, can feckin shift And sometimes you deff need that extra gear to get up and put a strike in, not all rabbits are easy+slow. My dog Bryn very fast for a 1x collie x grey, to be honest it was a good job with some rabbits he as caught or they would have got away they not all easy to catch . Some places you go to most dogs will get good bags, but you drop on a hard patch where they dont hang about, a faster type dog with bit more hound really make a bigger bag fact .!

 

I'd agree with that bird, don't know about some of these places around the country where the ground is more conducive to less sighthoundy dogs catching, but most places I've been, unless you've got a pacy dog you'd be going home unhappy. Just to clarify, I like some of these less sighthoundy types, but for me they don't have enough pace

 

I agree with both of you lads. they often lack that all out pace of a more sighthoundy dog. But they do have a very robust nature that keeps them on the road, far more than some of the outright speedsters. Think of them as the Subaru Forrester of the lurcher world.

 

Yep, on the right ground they do ok, sometimes very good, but even on land which is quite thickly wooded with alot of bramble and scrub, I've found whippety, really quick types to be more effective. And in open, fairly level areas, a dog with more pace is a must. I'm talking about most of the places I've worked dogs on. Not knocking these types, I like em

 

this one ain't lacking in pace in woody, scrubby areas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but this one is!

 

 

I suppose as well that it's how racy/sighthoundy they turn out %age-wise. Some pups will be quicker than others in the same litter. Anyway, as I've said, I like em, and sesku's pup is very nice

 

 

true that, ive had 2 dogs before same height+weight, Blaze, colliex grey and Bruce bullx grey.Now both were good dogs on rabbit+ fox as ive said on here before.But to honest the colliex was that bit more agile and better strike, it the build and natural abilty of collies to twist+turn when running , bullxs got differnt muscle structure that makes it bit harder compare to the colliex.And as said both these dog were same size height+weight to regards catching

 

Good point there bird, as people know, there's quite a variance in build/type between dogs of the same breed, so inevitably you're going to get some dogs which are faster etc out of the same litter. How's buck's shoulder coming on?

Edited August 1, 2013 by shaaark

[spindolero 1,111]

there was/is a lad on here that had 3/4 wheaton 1/4 grey - it is an impressive looking dog and in fairness looked like a halfcross, whether thats because he kept it in good nick I don't know

But it looked ideal to go over a racier type of bitch

[spindolero 1,111]

Myself and mates plan to put my bull/grey over a couple of non sight-hound blooded working dogs in the future... not to produce lurchers, but hunting dogs. That cast out keenly, find stuff anywhere, track hard and fast, kill small vermin, mark trees and dens, hold game, and bay up big shit... multi purpose hunting dogs. But we got certain jobs lined up that suits this breeding. So they will be 1/4 greyhound (roughly) from the dog. The bitches in mind are a gwp who is doing great so far and catahoula cur.. but it all depends on if these bitches make the grade (gwp is not far off), as we will be asking a hell of a lot from them. Exciting times!

 

put me down for one D&N

[fitchet 788]

 

 

 

 

 

myself and some fellas i used to hang about with have had colliexbitza lurchers and they usually make good tough knockabout lurchers. temperament wise they are often a little more stable than first crosses, but physically to be honest i'm not sure they bring anything to the tale that the right first cross lacks (if you get my drift!)

 

i was just thinking about these lurchers with alot of collie in the mix, and regards lamping people keep saying how good they are .? Well ive been lamping few years now lol, and i know like few lads on here that some rabbits you lamp, can feckin shift And sometimes you deff need that extra gear to get up and put a strike in, not all rabbits are easy+slow. My dog Bryn very fast for a 1x collie x grey, to be honest it was a good job with some rabbits he as caught or they would have got away they not all easy to catch . Some places you go to most dogs will get good bags, but you drop on a hard patch where they dont hang about, a faster type dog with bit more hound really make a bigger bag fact .!

I'd agree with that bird, don't know about some of these places around the country where the ground is more conducive to less sighthoundy dogs catching, but most places I've been, unless you've got a pacy dog you'd be going home unhappy. Just to clarify, I like some of these less sighthoundy types, but for me they don't have enough pace

I agree with both of you lads. they often lack that all out pace of a more sighthoundy dog. But they do have a very robust nature that keeps them on the road, far more than some of the outright speedsters. Think of them as the Subaru Forrester of the lurcher world.

Yep, on the right ground they do ok, sometimes very good, but even on land which is quite thickly wooded with alot of bramble and scrub, I've found whippety, really quick types to be more effective. And in open, fairly level areas, a dog with more pace is a must. I'm talking about most of the places I've worked dogs on. Not knocking these types, I like em

this one ain't lacking in pace in woody, scrubby areas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but this one is!

 

It's interesting you should say that as my 3/8th 5/8th bull/grey has killed a lot in woodlands where my collie/grey and coursing dog wouldnt get near it.is the bull cross a half x ?

[trenchfoot 4,243]

"It's interesting you should say that as my 3/8th 5/8th bull/grey has killed a lot in woodlands where my collie/grey and coursing dog wouldnt get near it.is the bull cross a half x ? "

 

 

2nd gen 1/2 x bull whip

[bird 10,004]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

myself and some fellas i used to hang about with have had colliexbitza lurchers and they usually make good tough knockabout lurchers. temperament wise they are often a little more stable than first crosses, but physically to be honest i'm not sure they bring anything to the tale that the right first cross lacks (if you get my drift!)

 

i was just thinking about these lurchers with alot of collie in the mix, and regards lamping people keep saying how good they are .? Well ive been lamping few years now lol, and i know like few lads on here that some rabbits you lamp, can feckin shift And sometimes you deff need that extra gear to get up and put a strike in, not all rabbits are easy+slow. My dog Bryn very fast for a 1x collie x grey, to be honest it was a good job with some rabbits he as caught or they would have got away they not all easy to catch . Some places you go to most dogs will get good bags, but you drop on a hard patch where they dont hang about, a faster type dog with bit more hound really make a bigger bag fact .!

 

I'd agree with that bird, don't know about some of these places around the country where the ground is more conducive to less sighthoundy dogs catching, but most places I've been, unless you've got a pacy dog you'd be going home unhappy. Just to clarify, I like some of these less sighthoundy types, but for me they don't have enough pace

 

I agree with both of you lads. they often lack that all out pace of a more sighthoundy dog. But they do have a very robust nature that keeps them on the road, far more than some of the outright speedsters. Think of them as the Subaru Forrester of the lurcher world.

 

Yep, on the right ground they do ok, sometimes very good, but even on land which is quite thickly wooded with alot of bramble and scrub, I've found whippety, really quick types to be more effective. And in open, fairly level areas, a dog with more pace is a must. I'm talking about most of the places I've worked dogs on. Not knocking these types, I like em

 

this one ain't lacking in pace in woody, scrubby areas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but this one is!

 

 

I suppose as well that it's how racy/sighthoundy they turn out %age-wise. Some pups will be quicker than others in the same litter. Anyway, as I've said, I like em, and sesku's pup is very nice

 

 

true that, ive had 2 dogs before same height+weight, Blaze, colliex grey and Bruce bullx grey.Now both were good dogs on rabbit+ fox as ive said on here before.But to honest the colliex was that bit more agile and better strike, it the build and natural abilty of collies to twist+turn when running , bullxs got differnt muscle structure that makes it bit harder compare to the colliex.And as said both these dog were same size height+weight to regards catching

 

Good point there bird, as people know, there's quite a variance in build/type between dogs of the same breed, so inevitably you're going to get some dogs which are faster etc out of the same litter. How's buck's shoulder coming on?

 

he is walking on the lead as good as before, but still bit sore i think, taking to vet friday just to have a look+check it over.Either way going to just do lead work till end of sep , then see how he is then not in a hurry to start him, would be 7 weeks lead work with bit of luck should have healed proper.He such a big bugger, when he lands he lands heavy lol .

[Bossie 90]

So do you guys think (those with experience with the 1/2 cross and the reverse 3/4) that only a 1/4 sighthound is enough in a leggy pastoral dog to make a good ferreting, mooching, companion which will catch some bolters?

How slow can you go? I mean this as a genuine question! I've seen my Brittany almost catch rabbits on a open field, usually just a gear short but he isn't build for speed and quite small at 17"tts.

 

Would a very racy collie or maybe a very racy malinois as a pure breed/non lurcher/sighthound fit into the same roll the 3/4 does or is that 1/4 really needed? Maybe a 1/4 whippet would be better? (no lamping included) Genuine question! Not trying to open a can of worms. Land to run on would be steep hills, forest/woodland, some small open spaces/fields

 

I'm thinking about something like this (not mine, just from a working shepherd site):

 

 

 

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

 

Myself and mates plan to put my bull/grey over a couple of non sight-hound blooded working dogs in the future... not to produce lurchers, but hunting dogs. That cast out keenly, find stuff anywhere, track hard and fast, kill small vermin, mark trees and dens, hold game, and bay up big shit... multi purpose hunting dogs. But we got certain jobs lined up that suits this breeding. So they will be 1/4 greyhound (roughly) from the dog. The bitches in mind are a gwp who is doing great so far and catahoula cur.. but it all depends on if these bitches make the grade (gwp is not far off), as we will be asking a hell of a lot from them. Exciting times!

Saw a couple of catahoula's work if Florida a good few years back, they reminded me of some of the driven farm curs we had around as kids. That cross maybe experimental, but be interesting to see how it pans out

 

The catahoula is not unlike a british farm dog in work style, casting out to find ranched cattle/hogs, but many lines are bred solely for finding and baying up hogs in the woods, this is the stuff I got a pup from. They are a type of dog that cross very nicely, especially with bull blood. In australia they cross catahoula into most pig dog and staghound (lurcher) pig dogs, with great results, so its not a new concept, but it is certainly not without an element of risk... the background breeding is there, and we are putting the work in... the bitch has a long way to go yet, but fingers are crossed.

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

there was/is a lad on here that had 3/4 wheaton 1/4 grey - it is an impressive looking dog and in fairness looked like a halfcross, whether thats because he kept it in good nick I don't know

But it looked ideal to go over a racier type of bitch

Would be nice to see this dog...

 

Keep in touch

[bird 10,004]

So do you guys think (those with experience with the 1/2 cross and the reverse 3/4) that only a 1/4 sighthound is enough in a leggy pastoral dog to make a good ferreting, mooching, companion which will catch some bolters?

How slow can you go? I mean this as a genuine question! I've seen my Brittany almost catch rabbits on a open field, usually just a gear short but he isn't build for speed and quite small at 17"tts.

 

Would a very racy collie or maybe a very racy malinois as a pure breed/non lurcher/sighthound fit into the same roll the 3/4 does or is that 1/4 really needed? Maybe a 1/4 whippet would be better? (no lamping included) Genuine question! Not trying to open a can of worms. Land to run on would be steep hills, forest/woodland, some small open spaces/fields

 

I'm thinking about something like this (not mine, just from a working shepherd site):

 

 

 

nice type dogs, not over heavy from the pics, maybe whippetxgrey x to either dog would drop the size down, abit . and be ok for what you want mooching about .!

[birddog 1,354]

something i've always found the collies concentration and quick thinking can be worth a yard or two in some situations, a slower dog in the right place is always gonna outcatch a fast dog in the wrong place