Lamping Or Not

[Adam1990 24]

Im in the process of training my dog up and just wanting to know are different dogs used for lamping or hunting in the day? Or can they be used for both or trained differently?

[R.A.W 1,987]

Both but it aint easy

[mackay 3,364]

Both, it ain't hard

[Giro 2,648]

Its basic obediance makes no difference day or night..

 

The lamps easy get the dog out plenty enough and they learn...

 

Daytime let them hunt they find and flush game..

 

As long as you get that recall - stock breaking - the rest will come natural...

 

The more game you can put infront of a dog the better learning experiance it gets... With in reason tho you dont want to sicken a dog on the lamp with to many runs you need to build that up slow and steady..

 

But daytime ferreting - mooching the more the better..

 

To get the most out of it and enjoy it you need your dog steady and doing what its told..

 

Stick in - It will be worth it

[tjones3862 3,423]

ive allways used my dogs for both,,its not a big problem to get the dog to do it

[Adam1990 24]

Proper "noddy" questions i know but what are the differences, just that its dark and the dog generally getting used to the lamp ect?

[Giro 2,648]

Have you been lamping before ???

 

Its easier to watch than try to explain, Well I recon anyway...

 

You want your dog to see rabbits, while on the lead or at heal..

 

Run down the beam and wether they chatch or not, come straight back after the run..

 

You dont want them hunting up or running loose.. You want them like a yoyo really..

 

Get yourself out with a decent lad to show you the ropes.. But its not rocket science - You will pick up whats expected fast..

[Adam1990 24]

Im happy to admitt ive done fook all as of yet, wanted to start but took my dog out with a lad off here gaz 1989 and found hes no good hunted up all the time off the lead. So im in the intense training of recall with him atm which is comin. So im just planning ahead if you like for if or when hes ready.

[Giro 2,648]

Get him steady and under control, it will be much more fun for you both..

 

You should be able to get him right for september..

 

If not keep at it....

 

If you settle for less the dog will get worst as it keeps getting away with stuff..

 

f**k that fenton shit in the dark scarring the game away.. its a bad head

 

A lad i knew had a dog. If it missed he had to put it straight onto another, as it would not come back till it caught one..

 

The dog only kept doing this shit cause he let..

 

Put the work in mate and reep the reward later on

Edited July 28, 2013 by Giro

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Adam, you've had some poor advice on here mate,if you've let your dog hunt up with its nose in the daytime then it will take longer to get him lamping properly as you've probably found by him running on looking for game when the lamps off,in years past most lads started their dogs off on the lamp with a couple of runs when the pup was 8- 12months depending on size and maturity and daytime was always on a lead with a ball retrieving on a field to practise recall,the odd slip on an easy rabbit bushed by a terrier or a squatter walked up was good to see if its ready to try on the lamp.Basic training is done for a reason and if you make a mistake early in its training its very hard to go back and fix it,your lurcher must have a quick recall and be back waiting for that lamp to go back on as quick as possible,there's nothing worse than a poorly trained dog when you hit on a field with loads sitting out and your dog misses and chases the rest in when you could of taken 4 or 5 from that field,especially when you've travelled a while to get there,no-one will want to take you out lamping as you're only as good as your dogs obedience,being quiet will get you in the right places for catching and you can't do that if you're shouting and whistling your dog after every run,the same with getting over fences etc,they should jump over and wait to be put back on the slip ready to go without any fuss or shouting,everyone makes some mistakes when starting off but these can be limited by plenty of reading and going out with a decent lamper to see whats required,other than that stick to daytime work with that dog and get another and learn from the mistakes made with the other,this is just one of the reasons rescue centres are full of lurchers that have been poorly trained by lads with little or no idea of what lamping is about,WM

[R.A.W 1,987]

Both, it ain't hard

It is when your dog hunts on in the day already . I'd agree with you normally but this lad has been having a bit of trouble with recall during the day when the dog picks up a on scent of something......................... I always start my lurchers on lamp and when i've got a good level of the basic commands. it's important that the dog knows to come straight back when the light goes off. THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN A DOG MISSING A RABBIT THEN DROPPING IT'S HEAD AND SCANNING THE REST OF THE FIELD WITH IT'S NOISE.................That's were recall is so important and it helps that there isn't great numbers around my way so the pup can't hit rabbits up the way back. don't get me wrong you don't want to be hollaring your dog at the end of each run just untill they know the game. I try to keep all my commands to a whisper at night and the only time my dogs were a collar is at night that way I fell there is a difference for them ...................... I hope that helps a little mate

[R.A.W 1,987]

Adam, you've had some poor advice on here mate,if you've let your dog hunt up with its nose in the daytime then it will take longer to get him lamping properly as you've probably found by him running on looking for game when the lamps off,in years past most lads started their dogs off on the lamp with a couple of runs when the pup was 8- 12months depending on size and maturity and daytime was always on a lead with a ball retrieving on a field to practise recall,the odd slip on an easy rabbit bushed by a terrier or a squatter walked up was good to see if its ready to try on the lamp.Basic training is done for a reason and if you make a mistake early in its training its very hard to go back and fix it,your lurcher must have a quick recall and be back waiting for that lamp to go back on as quick as possible,there's nothing worse than a poorly trained dog when you hit on a field with loads sitting out and your dog misses and chases the rest in when you could of taken 4 or 5 from that field,especially when you've travelled a while to get there,no-one will want to take you out lamping as you're only as good as your dogs obedience,being quiet will get you in the right places for catching and you can't do that if you're shouting and whistling your dog after every run,the same with getting over fences etc,they should jump over and wait to be put back on the slip ready to go without any fuss or shouting,everyone makes some mistakes when starting off but these can be limited by plenty of reading and going out with a decent lamper to see whats required,other than that stick to daytime work with that dog and get another and learn from the mistakes made with the other,this is just one of the reasons rescue centres are full of lurchers that have been poorly trained by lads with little or no idea of what lamping is about,WM

 

spot on mate I could have saved myself some typing if i'd read your post first

[Bosun11 537]

Wirralman's advice is spot on IMO, neither discipline is hard but combining the two can be tricky. As he and RAW said, get your basics right and it will make life a lot easier.

I've always got my pups out as much as possible from the off, (see Fuji's brilliant posts for that!) and when my dogs really start to take an interest in the chase its time to hold em back from it, hang on a month or two and then start 'em on the lamp. I've never allowed my pups to run sommat, unless by accident before I start night work. Play, mooch, learn as puppy's but never allow to really 'try'.

Only and I do mean ONLY, when we have lamping dead right do I start 'em back on the daytime graft again. It can/has taken time but that time will be rewarded.

[skycat 6,173]

Interesting reads there Bosun and wirral countryman: I've always entered pups by day, then gone on to lamping once they have steadied down a bit, are ferreting well, and hunting by day sensibly as opposed to just tearing about. I can honestly say that I've never had a pup go off on the lamp looking for game at night, and that's across the board with all sorts of different types, not just ultra biddable Collie types.

 

I even run them by day as they are growing up on the same ground they will later lamp as adults, especially tricky ground with lots of pitfalls, dykes, holes in the ground, banks: seen a couple of young dogs have bad accidents sailing into a dyke at night when they haven't learned the lie of the land by day first.

 

Have I just been lucky?

[R.A.W 1,987]

Interesting reads there Bosun and wirral countryman: I've always entered pups by day, then gone on to lamping once they have steadied down a bit, are ferreting well, and hunting by day sensibly as opposed to just tearing about. I can honestly say that I've never had a pup go off on the lamp looking for game at night, and that's across the board with all sorts of different types, not just ultra biddable Collie types.

 

I even run them by day as they are growing up on the same ground they will later lamp as adults, especially tricky ground with lots of pitfalls, dykes, holes in the ground, banks: seen a couple of young dogs have bad accidents sailing into a dyke at night when they haven't learned the lie of the land by day first.

 

Have I just been lucky?

 

I suppose it boils down to having the confidence in the dogs obedience . I agree it's important to show a pup as much as possible as it grows so it knows the dangers that they may come up against . I try to show my pups different types of terrain so they are unfazed and safe when they run. ................................. and now i'm not saying you run your dogs on dangerous ground but for anyone unsure weather to run a dog on dangerous ground DO NOT DO IT. It's not the worth breaking a dogs leg for the sake of a rabbit no matter how well educated a dog may be....................................I had to get that in because it would be easy for a novice to read that and think it ok to run a dog on unsuitable ground just because it been there in the day .