desertbred 5,490 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 . i did find this The Qur'an and Sharia Law: Sharia law is derived both from: The teachings of the Mulsim holy book, the Qur'an, which is believed to be the Word of God, and From Sunna, the practices of the prophet Muhammad. The term "Sharia" literally means "the path to a watering hole." "Sharia is a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians." 2 There are multiple forms of Sharia laws. For example, the Maliki Law School accepts evidence of pregnancy as proof that an unmarried woman has either committed adultery or been raped. "The other schools, namely Shafii, Hanbali, Hanafi and even the Shia do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina [Adultery]." 3 "In the 19th century, many Muslim countries came under the control or influence of Western colonial powers. As a result, Western-style laws, courts, and punishments began to appear within the Sharia. Some countries like Turkey totally abandoned the Sharia and adopted new law codes based on European systems...Modern legislation along with Muslim legal scholars who are attempting to relate the will of Allah to the 20th century have reopened the door to interpreting the Sharia. This has happened even in highly traditional Saudi Arabia, where Islam began....Since 1980, some countries with fundamentalist Islamic regimes like Iran have attempted to reverse the trend of westernization and return to the classic Sharia." 4 Within Sharia law, there are a group of "Hadd" offenses such as pre-marital sexual intercourse, sex by divorced persons, post-marital sex, adultery, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. Hadd sexual offenses carry a sentence of stoning to death or severe flogging. An eyewitness account of Soraya M, a woman executed by stoning, can be read on an anti-Iranian web site. Caution: do not read this if you have a weak stomach; it is quite graphic. 5 Sharia law has been adopted in various forms by many countries, ranging from a strict interpretation in Saudi Arabia and northern states of Nigeria, to a relatively liberal interpretation in much of Malaysia. 2 Chapter 24 of Islam's holy book, the Qur'an, explicitly instructs believers to whip those found guilty of adultery. A leading Muslim scholar, Maulana Muhammad Ali noted that "stoning to death was never contemplated by Islam as a punishment for adultery." Roman Catholic Archbishop of Lagos, Dr. Anthony Olubunmi Okogie, said that the "official text of the Qur'an only sanctions a punishment of so many lashes for such an offence not stoning to death...[the] punishment of stoning was introduced later by Omar, the second Calif for reasons best known to him." 6 Many Muslim scholars and judges agree that the Qur'an does not refer to executions by stoning. "...the Islamic legal scholar Tarik Abdul-Rahman states they are part of the Hadith (collections of sayings and acts of the Prophet), and go back to the Pentateuch (first five books of Hebrew Scripture)." 7 Execution by stoning is thus in harmony with the 613 laws which make up the Mosaic code in the Bible. Massoud Shadjareh, of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, opposes stoning sentences. He urges other Muslim leaders to speak out against them. Otherwise, he fears that what he calls an inhumane brand of Islamic law will take root in Nigeria. Shadjareh said: "Shariah has been translated to be harsh, extreme treatment — it isn't." He argues that amputations and stonings are supposed to be used only as a last resort, and only within those Islamic societies that have eliminated poverty and corruption. Neither condition has yet been achieved, either in Nigeria or in other countries where stoning is practiced. 13 Some interesting details associated with Sharia law: Under the form of Sharia law that is practiced in Sudan, "the stones thrown during the execution should not be so large that the offender dies after a few strikes, nor so small as to fail to cause serious injury." 7 A conviction normally requires a minimum of four witnesses who directly observed the sexual activity at the same time, or a freely-given confession by the defendant. However, as noted below, the former requirement is not always followed. If the woman is pregnant and either unmarried or divorced, she may be assumed to be guilty, if she is tried under the conservative Maliki Law School form of Sharia. 8 Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly." 9Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband. Problems sometimes arise when an unmarried or divorced woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. Some Sharia courts do not recognize DNA testing or the evaluation of possible paternity by other blood tests. The case often results in a "she-said, he said" situation. Sometimes, the alleged rapist is found not-guilty because his involvement cannot be proven. But if an unmarried woman becomes pregnant, she can be assumed to be guilty of extra-marital sexual activity and can be executed. If she claims that she was raped and is unable to prove her case, then she will probably receive severe punishment, because she would be assumed guilty of making a false accusation. Sharia law is only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are supposed to be exempt from the provisions of the law -- a provision that is ignored in the Sudan. it says under the sharia practised in sudan LOL Sudan circumcices women also but that is also not permitted in Islam Shariat has to be authenticated from the Quran whether sunni or shia shariat is formulated from the Quran not what different people assume is acceptable a few more places than just Sudan according to the Gladstone Institute http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3705/uk-female-genital-mutilation it is still not permitted if it is not in the Quran then its not in Shariat all the Hadith are attributed to friends or people who say I heard or was told not the most reliable as you showed with the photo you posted earlier , all people who claim to follow islam dont e.g suicide bombers the Quran forbids suicide so some one like hook hand Abu Hamsa is distorting what islam says . as with most of these radical clerics here in uk they have thier own agenda and certainly make plenty of money out of encouraging youth on the wrong line well theres a hell of a lot of distortion going on in the Muslim world then so if i may be so bold as to say. When you have sorted your own shite out across the globe and Islam becomes the religion of peace that you say it is. then maybe your arguments will be valid, I have said on many occasions now, the problems with radicalisation of Muslims in Great Britain is a Muslin problem. My problem is the so called good Muslims are not tackling it hence the escalation and the murder of Lee Rigby. So in a nutshell then, your opposed to radical Islam and agree that Sharia law is not 100% understood or implemented properly and used for personal gain, Do you want to join the EDL if the EDL based thier manifesto on correct principles rather than building itself around T Robinson then yes I would join my wife and myself were going to vote UKIP but where we live no o one was standing .Same as your men in suits and mine in Night Shirts Islam has fallen into certain groups hands people worry about shia and Iran how many of these suicide bombers are shia none 100% wahabi and salafi Sunni who are funded by Saudi the friends of Britain and America tells a tail doesnt it 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 . i did find this The Qur'an and Sharia Law: Sharia law is derived both from: The teachings of the Mulsim holy book, the Qur'an, which is believed to be the Word of God, and From Sunna, the practices of the prophet Muhammad. The term "Sharia" literally means "the path to a watering hole." "Sharia is a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians." 2 There are multiple forms of Sharia laws. For example, the Maliki Law School accepts evidence of pregnancy as proof that an unmarried woman has either committed adultery or been raped. "The other schools, namely Shafii, Hanbali, Hanafi and even the Shia do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina [Adultery]." 3 "In the 19th century, many Muslim countries came under the control or influence of Western colonial powers. As a result, Western-style laws, courts, and punishments began to appear within the Sharia. Some countries like Turkey totally abandoned the Sharia and adopted new law codes based on European systems...Modern legislation along with Muslim legal scholars who are attempting to relate the will of Allah to the 20th century have reopened the door to interpreting the Sharia. This has happened even in highly traditional Saudi Arabia, where Islam began....Since 1980, some countries with fundamentalist Islamic regimes like Iran have attempted to reverse the trend of westernization and return to the classic Sharia." 4 Within Sharia law, there are a group of "Hadd" offenses such as pre-marital sexual intercourse, sex by divorced persons, post-marital sex, adultery, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. Hadd sexual offenses carry a sentence of stoning to death or severe flogging. An eyewitness account of Soraya M, a woman executed by stoning, can be read on an anti-Iranian web site. Caution: do not read this if you have a weak stomach; it is quite graphic. 5 Sharia law has been adopted in various forms by many countries, ranging from a strict interpretation in Saudi Arabia and northern states of Nigeria, to a relatively liberal interpretation in much of Malaysia. 2 Chapter 24 of Islam's holy book, the Qur'an, explicitly instructs believers to whip those found guilty of adultery. A leading Muslim scholar, Maulana Muhammad Ali noted that "stoning to death was never contemplated by Islam as a punishment for adultery." Roman Catholic Archbishop of Lagos, Dr. Anthony Olubunmi Okogie, said that the "official text of the Qur'an only sanctions a punishment of so many lashes for such an offence not stoning to death...[the] punishment of stoning was introduced later by Omar, the second Calif for reasons best known to him." 6 Many Muslim scholars and judges agree that the Qur'an does not refer to executions by stoning. "...the Islamic legal scholar Tarik Abdul-Rahman states they are part of the Hadith (collections of sayings and acts of the Prophet), and go back to the Pentateuch (first five books of Hebrew Scripture)." 7 Execution by stoning is thus in harmony with the 613 laws which make up the Mosaic code in the Bible. Massoud Shadjareh, of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, opposes stoning sentences. He urges other Muslim leaders to speak out against them. Otherwise, he fears that what he calls an inhumane brand of Islamic law will take root in Nigeria. Shadjareh said: "Shariah has been translated to be harsh, extreme treatment — it isn't." He argues that amputations and stonings are supposed to be used only as a last resort, and only within those Islamic societies that have eliminated poverty and corruption. Neither condition has yet been achieved, either in Nigeria or in other countries where stoning is practiced. 13 Some interesting details associated with Sharia law: Under the form of Sharia law that is practiced in Sudan, "the stones thrown during the execution should not be so large that the offender dies after a few strikes, nor so small as to fail to cause serious injury." 7 A conviction normally requires a minimum of four witnesses who directly observed the sexual activity at the same time, or a freely-given confession by the defendant. However, as noted below, the former requirement is not always followed. If the woman is pregnant and either unmarried or divorced, she may be assumed to be guilty, if she is tried under the conservative Maliki Law School form of Sharia. 8 Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly." 9Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband. Problems sometimes arise when an unmarried or divorced woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. Some Sharia courts do not recognize DNA testing or the evaluation of possible paternity by other blood tests. The case often results in a "she-said, he said" situation. Sometimes, the alleged rapist is found not-guilty because his involvement cannot be proven. But if an unmarried woman becomes pregnant, she can be assumed to be guilty of extra-marital sexual activity and can be executed. If she claims that she was raped and is unable to prove her case, then she will probably receive severe punishment, because she would be assumed guilty of making a false accusation. Sharia law is only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are supposed to be exempt from the provisions of the law -- a provision that is ignored in the Sudan. it says under the sharia practised in sudan LOL Sudan circumcices women also but that is also not permitted in Islam Shariat has to be authenticated from the Quran whether sunni or shia shariat is formulated from the Quran not what different people assume is acceptable a few more places than just Sudan according to the Gladstone Institute http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3705/uk-female-genital-mutilation it is still not permitted if it is not in the Quran then its not in Shariat all the Hadith are attributed to friends or people who say I heard or was told not the most reliable as you showed with the photo you posted earlier , all people who claim to follow islam dont e.g suicide bombers the Quran forbids suicide so some one like hook hand Abu Hamsa is distorting what islam says . as with most of these radical clerics here in uk they have thier own agenda and certainly make plenty of money out of encouraging youth on the wrong line well theres a hell of a lot of distortion going on in the Muslim world then so if i may be so bold as to say. When you have sorted your own shite out across the globe and Islam becomes the religion of peace that you say it is. then maybe your arguments will be valid, I have said on many occasions now, the problems with radicalisation of Muslims in Great Britain is a Muslin problem. My problem is the so called good Muslims are not tackling it hence the escalation and the murder of Lee Rigby. So in a nutshell then, your opposed to radical Islam and agree that Sharia law is not 100% understood or implemented properly and used for personal gain, Do you want to join the EDL if the EDL based thier manifesto on correct principles rather than building itself around T Robinson then yes I would join my wife and myself were going to vote UKIP but where we live no o one was standing .Same as your men in suits and mine in Night Shirts Islam has fallen into certain groups hands people worry about shia and Iran how many of these suicide bombers are shia none 100% wahabi and salafi Sunni who are funded by Saudi the friends of Britain and America tells a tail doesnt it all the EDL`s principles are easy to understand, respect for our armed forces in the own country, oppose militant slam and the implementation of sharia law in the UK. as i said earlier it could be Pappa Smurf at the helm it would make no difference the press would still demonise him have a read of this ' Those openly critical of Islam are sometimes dubiously slurred as racists, regardless of what their true views on race may be. In fact, Islam is not a race. Islam has nothing at all to do with genetics, nor is it an innate characteristic. It is an ideology – a voluntarily-held set of beliefs about individual behavior and the rules of society. People choose their beliefs; they do not choose their race Therefore Muslims are not a race of people. In fact, there are Muslims of all races. Hence, criticizing Islam is not racism. There is no such thing as "anti-Muslim racism" any more than there is "anti-Christian racism," "anti-Methodist racism," or "anti-Capitalist racism." So why would anyone claim differently? It is because the battle over Islam is being fought in the West, the only arena in which this religion can still be critically debated. It is also here that repugnance toward racism is strong and nearly universal. As politicians well know, if one can successfully paint the opposition as “racist,” then the battle for public opinion is all but decided. From high-risk mortgages to illegal immigration, fear of the race card is one of the strongest influences on public policy. At the same time, it is nearly impossible to defend Islam on its own merits - which is why Muslim societies usually rely on threat of violence to suppress intellectual critique of Islam and the freedom of other religion to fairly compete. According to its own texts, Islam was founded in terror, and its political and social code is deeply incompatible with Western liberal values. Frustrated advocates of Islam’s advance are therefore prone to taking the crude and easy path of trying to squash debate by mislabeling criticism of their religion as racism. Having to sling the worst of all slurs to compensate for deficiency of fact and logic is bad enough, but in this case there is terrible irony in that what is being defended in such cheap fashion is an ideology that is overtly supremacist in nature. In fact, those Muslims who do want to rely on the race card are not thinking very far ahead. On the surface it would seem that if Islam really were a race, or Muslims a race of people, then any criticism of the common tie which unites them - in this case the religion of Islam – could be dismissed out of hand as racism, thus effectively protecting the religion from tough examination. But everything is not as it seems. If Muslims are a race because of Islam, then it means that Islam is a racial ideology. Therefore, what this ideology has to say about its own and other “races” becomes very important. In fact, the Qur’an posits an enormous qualitative distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims that is hard to miss. Believers are loved by God, whereas infidels are hated to the extent that they are tortured for eternity (3:32, 4:56) merely for not believing. Muslims are told to shun unbelievers (3:118), who are called “helpers of evil” (25:55), “wicked” (4:160), “fond of lies” (5:42) and compared to the worst of animals (8:55, 7:176, 7:179). Members of Islam are told to be merciful to each other, but ruthless to those outside of the faith (48:29). Violence is also sanctioned against those who are obstinate against Islamic rule (8:12-13, 9:5). If Islam is a race, then Christianity and Judaism are races as well, meaning that if the Quran speaks of them as inferior, then it is a racist book. In truth, the Quran does more than that. In a stunning burst of religious bigotry, Muslims are ordered to fight Jews and Christians "until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9:29). There is no basis in the text for bringing Jew and Christians under the heel of Islamic rule except by virtue of their religion. No other religion filters perception through group identity to the extent that Islam does. Around the world Christians, Jews and other individuals are routinely brutalized merely because they are a member of a non-Muslim group, not because they have done anything to personally deserve having their lives taken, their children maimed or their property torched. Meanwhile, other Muslims are generally indifferent to this violence and reserve their true outrage for circumstances involving Muslim victims of non-Muslim acts, however unintentional or relatively slight. So, if Muslims are a race, Islam would not only be a racist ideology, but arguably the most hateful and destructive in history. It is bad enough that hundreds of millions of people have been killed in the last fourteen centuries by divinely sanctioned Jihad and slavery, but to retroactively supplant the stated motive of religious supremacy with that of racial superiority is hardly a step in the right direction for a religion seeking the acceptance of an increasingly skeptical audience. As i keep saying the EDL are not a political group there a pressure group. it doesn't matter who the mouthpiece is, it could be Pappa Smurf the press would still demonise him. have a read of this ' Those openly critical of Islam are sometimes dubiously slurred as racists, regardless of what their true views on race may be. In fact, Islam is not a race. Islam has nothing at all to do with genetics, nor is it an innate characteristic. It is an ideology – a voluntarily-held set of beliefs about individual behavior and the rules of society. People choose their beliefs; they do not choose their race Therefore Muslims are not a race of people. In fact, there are Muslims of all races. Hence, criticizing Islam is not racism. There is no such thing as "anti-Muslim racism" any more than there is "anti-Christian racism," "anti-Methodist racism," or "anti-Capitalist racism." So why would anyone claim differently? It is because the battle over Islam is being fought in the West, the only arena in which this religion can still be critically debated. It is also here that repugnance toward racism is strong and nearly universal. As politicians well know, if one can successfully paint the opposition as “racist,” then the battle for public opinion is all but decided. From high-risk mortgages to illegal immigration, fear of the race card is one of the strongest influences on public policy. At the same time, it is nearly impossible to defend Islam on its own merits - which is why Muslim societies usually rely on threat of violence to suppress intellectual critique of Islam and the freedom of other religion to fairly compete. According to its own texts, Islam was founded in terror, and its political and social code is deeply incompatible with Western liberal values. Frustrated advocates of Islam’s advance are therefore prone to taking the crude and easy path of trying to squash debate by mislabeling criticism of their religion as racism. Having to sling the worst of all slurs to compensate for deficiency of fact and logic is bad enough, but in this case there is terrible irony in that what is being defended in such cheap fashion is an ideology that is overtly supremacist in nature. In fact, those Muslims who do want to rely on the race card are not thinking very far ahead. On the surface it would seem that if Islam really were a race, or Muslims a race of people, then any criticism of the common tie which unites them - in this case the religion of Islam – could be dismissed out of hand as racism, thus effectively protecting the religion from tough examination. But everything is not as it seems. If Muslims are a race because of Islam, then it means that Islam is a racial ideology. Therefore, what this ideology has to say about its own and other “races” becomes very important. In fact, the Qur’an posits an enormous qualitative distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims that is hard to miss. Believers are loved by God, whereas infidels are hated to the extent that they are tortured for eternity (3:32, 4:56) merely for not believing. Muslims are told to shun unbelievers (3:118), who are called “helpers of evil” (25:55), “wicked” (4:160), “fond of lies” (5:42) and compared to the worst of animals (8:55, 7:176, 7:179). Members of Islam are told to be merciful to each other, but ruthless to those outside of the faith (48:29). Violence is also sanctioned against those who are obstinate against Islamic rule (8:12-13, 9:5). If Islam is a race, then Christianity and Judaism are races as well, meaning that if the Quran speaks of them as inferior, then it is a racist book. In truth, the Quran does more than that. In a stunning burst of religious bigotry, Muslims are ordered to fight Jews and Christians "until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9:29). There is no basis in the text for bringing Jew and Christians under the heel of Islamic rule except by virtue of their religion. No other religion filters perception through group identity to the extent that Islam does. Around the world Christians, Jews and other individuals are routinely brutalized merely because they are a member of a non-Muslim group, not because they have done anything to personally deserve having their lives taken, their children maimed or their property torched. Meanwhile, other Muslims are generally indifferent to this violence and reserve their true outrage for circumstances involving Muslim victims of non-Muslim acts, however unintentional or relatively slight. So, if Muslims are a race, Islam would not only be a racist ideology, but arguably the most hateful and destructive in history. It is bad enough that hundreds of millions of people have been killed in the last fourteen centuries by divinely sanctioned Jihad and slavery, but to retroactively supplant the stated motive of religious supremacy with that of racial superiority is hardly a step in the right direction for a religion seeking the acceptance of an increasingly skeptical audience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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desertbred 5,490 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) isreal was created for jews so they are a race, just as after Pakistan was partitioned then the indian Muslims became Pakistani. Muslims are routinely brutalised around the world in the name of Democracy, Just as Western society doesnt want islam and shariat foisted on it why should Muslims have Democracy foisted on them . Its easy to put blame on differing cultures but any society can only progress with mutual respect Edited July 30, 2013 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 isreal was created for jews so they are a race, just as after Pakistan was partitioned then the indian Muslims became Pakistani. Muslims are routinely brutalised around the world in the name of Democracy, Just as Western society doesnt want islam and shariat foisted on it why should Muslims have Democracy foisted on them . Its easy to put blame on differing cultures but any society can only progress with mutual respect i will put you membership application in the post Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,875 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Paulus save thy breath fella. This is a man that can't answer a simple yes or no question that I'm pretty certain most of the fuckwits on here (I include myself in that comment ) could answer in a heartbeat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Paulus save thy breath fella. This is a man that can't answer a simple yes or no question that I'm pretty certain most of the fuckwits on here (I include myself in that comment ) could answer in a heartbeat. my work is done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 . i did find this The Qur'an and Sharia Law: Sharia law is derived both from: The teachings of the Mulsim holy book, the Qur'an, which is believed to be the Word of God, and From Sunna, the practices of the prophet Muhammad. The term "Sharia" literally means "the path to a watering hole." "Sharia is a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians." 2 There are multiple forms of Sharia laws. For example, the Maliki Law School accepts evidence of pregnancy as proof that an unmarried woman has either committed adultery or been raped. "The other schools, namely Shafii, Hanbali, Hanafi and even the Shia do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina [Adultery]." 3 "In the 19th century, many Muslim countries came under the control or influence of Western colonial powers. As a result, Western-style laws, courts, and punishments began to appear within the Sharia. Some countries like Turkey totally abandoned the Sharia and adopted new law codes based on European systems...Modern legislation along with Muslim legal scholars who are attempting to relate the will of Allah to the 20th century have reopened the door to interpreting the Sharia. This has happened even in highly traditional Saudi Arabia, where Islam began....Since 1980, some countries with fundamentalist Islamic regimes like Iran have attempted to reverse the trend of westernization and return to the classic Sharia." 4 Within Sharia law, there are a group of "Hadd" offenses such as pre-marital sexual intercourse, sex by divorced persons, post-marital sex, adultery, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. Hadd sexual offenses carry a sentence of stoning to death or severe flogging. An eyewitness account of Soraya M, a woman executed by stoning, can be read on an anti-Iranian web site. Caution: do not read this if you have a weak stomach; it is quite graphic. 5 Sharia law has been adopted in various forms by many countries, ranging from a strict interpretation in Saudi Arabia and northern states of Nigeria, to a relatively liberal interpretation in much of Malaysia. 2 Chapter 24 of Islam's holy book, the Qur'an, explicitly instructs believers to whip those found guilty of adultery. A leading Muslim scholar, Maulana Muhammad Ali noted that "stoning to death was never contemplated by Islam as a punishment for adultery." Roman Catholic Archbishop of Lagos, Dr. Anthony Olubunmi Okogie, said that the "official text of the Qur'an only sanctions a punishment of so many lashes for such an offence not stoning to death...[the] punishment of stoning was introduced later by Omar, the second Calif for reasons best known to him." 6 Many Muslim scholars and judges agree that the Qur'an does not refer to executions by stoning. "...the Islamic legal scholar Tarik Abdul-Rahman states they are part of the Hadith (collections of sayings and acts of the Prophet), and go back to the Pentateuch (first five books of Hebrew Scripture)." 7 Execution by stoning is thus in harmony with the 613 laws which make up the Mosaic code in the Bible. Massoud Shadjareh, of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, opposes stoning sentences. He urges other Muslim leaders to speak out against them. Otherwise, he fears that what he calls an inhumane brand of Islamic law will take root in Nigeria. Shadjareh said: "Shariah has been translated to be harsh, extreme treatment — it isn't." He argues that amputations and stonings are supposed to be used only as a last resort, and only within those Islamic societies that have eliminated poverty and corruption. Neither condition has yet been achieved, either in Nigeria or in other countries where stoning is practiced. 13 Some interesting details associated with Sharia law: Under the form of Sharia law that is practiced in Sudan, "the stones thrown during the execution should not be so large that the offender dies after a few strikes, nor so small as to fail to cause serious injury." 7 A conviction normally requires a minimum of four witnesses who directly observed the sexual activity at the same time, or a freely-given confession by the defendant. However, as noted below, the former requirement is not always followed. If the woman is pregnant and either unmarried or divorced, she may be assumed to be guilty, if she is tried under the conservative Maliki Law School form of Sharia. 8 Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly." 9Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband. Problems sometimes arise when an unmarried or divorced woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. Some Sharia courts do not recognize DNA testing or the evaluation of possible paternity by other blood tests. The case often results in a "she-said, he said" situation. Sometimes, the alleged rapist is found not-guilty because his involvement cannot be proven. But if an unmarried woman becomes pregnant, she can be assumed to be guilty of extra-marital sexual activity and can be executed. If she claims that she was raped and is unable to prove her case, then she will probably receive severe punishment, because she would be assumed guilty of making a false accusation. Sharia law is only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are supposed to be exempt from the provisions of the law -- a provision that is ignored in the Sudan. it says under the sharia practised in sudan LOL Sudan circumcices women also but that is also not permitted in Islam Shariat has to be authenticated from the Quran whether sunni or shia shariat is formulated from the Quran not what different people assume is acceptable a few more places than just Sudan according to the Gladstone Institute http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3705/uk-female-genital-mutilation it is still not permitted if it is not in the Quran then its not in Shariat all the Hadith are attributed to friends or people who say I heard or was told not the most reliable as you showed with the photo you posted earlier , all people who claim to follow islam dont e.g suicide bombers the Quran forbids suicide so some one like hook hand Abu Hamsa is distorting what islam says . as with most of these radical clerics here in uk they have thier own agenda and certainly make plenty of money out of encouraging youth on the wrong line well theres a hell of a lot of distortion going on in the Muslim world then so if i may be so bold as to say. When you have sorted your own shite out across the globe and Islam becomes the religion of peace that you say it is. then maybe your arguments will be valid, I have said on many occasions now, the problems with radicalisation of Muslims in Great Britain is a Muslin problem. My problem is the so called good Muslims are not tackling it hence the escalation and the murder of Lee Rigby. So in a nutshell then, your opposed to radical Islam and agree that Sharia law is not 100% understood or implemented properly and used for personal gain, Do you want to join the EDL if the EDL based thier manifesto on correct principles rather than building itself around T Robinson then yes I would join my wife and myself were going to vote UKIP but where we live no o one was standing .Same as your men in suits and mine in Night Shirts Islam has fallen into certain groups hands people worry about shia and Iran how many of these suicide bombers are shia none 100% wahabi and salafi Sunni who are funded by Saudi the friends of Britain and America tells a tail doesnt it that i do not have any come back for Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 mmushroom you already got your arse kicked about your knowledge of islam now you are spouting more shite are you for f***ing real Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,875 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Paulus save thy breath fella. This is a man that can't answer a simple yes or no question that I'm pretty certain most of the fuckwits on here (I include myself in that comment ) could answer in a heartbeat. my work is done Nah there's still lots to be done repeal the ban, world peace... I believe in you Paulus... I believe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Paulus save thy breath fella. This is a man that can't answer a simple yes or no question that I'm pretty certain most of the fuckwits on here (I include myself in that comment ) could answer in a heartbeat. my work is done Nah there's still lots to be done repeal the ban, world peace... I believe in you Paulus... I believe well if i can get desertbred to join the EDL the worlds my lobster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,875 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 mmushroom you already got your arse kicked about your knowledge of islam now you are spouting more shite are you for f*****g real When?? All I saw was a jumped up oxygen thief shout loudly and claim I didn't understand Islam/Muslims, your full of shit! Until today I had some respect for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Paulus save thy breath fella. This is a man that can't answer a simple yes or no question that I'm pretty certain most of the fuckwits on here (I include myself in that comment ) could answer in a heartbeat. my work is done Nah there's still lots to be done repeal the ban, world peace... I believe in you Paulus... I believe well if i can get desertbred to join the EDL the worlds my lobster Pope Paulus I - does have a ring to it,don't you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Paulus save thy breath fella. This is a man that can't answer a simple yes or no question that I'm pretty certain most of the fuckwits on here (I include myself in that comment ) could answer in a heartbeat. my work is done Nah there's still lots to be done repeal the ban, world peace... I believe in you Paulus... I believe well if i can get desertbred to join the EDL the worlds my lobster Pope Paulus I - does have a ring to it,don't you think? whites just not my colour i don't do religion far to complicated for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Paulus save thy breath fella. This is a man that can't answer a simple yes or no question that I'm pretty certain most of the fuckwits on here (I include myself in that comment ) could answer in a heartbeat. my work is done Nah there's still lots to be done repeal the ban, world peace... I believe in you Paulus... I believe well if i can get desertbred to join the EDL the worlds my lobster Pope Paulus I - does have a ring to it,don't you think? whites just not my colour i don't do religion far to complicated for me Every time you see him come out on the balcony on the news, I always hope he's going to shout "Get off the f***ing lawn!" I too despise all religion, for the reason written in blue, below! Edited July 30, 2013 by Blackbriar 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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