Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 But it wouldn't understand...you break a dog as a pup NOT to chase/kill/look at stock, game birds ..even rabbits but then 12 mth later try and enter it to the same prohibited stock. Use a rabbit pen for gun dogs but then you dont go out and let the lab or Springer chase or peg stuff... Quote Link to post
Guest Leveller Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 But it wouldn't understand...you break a dog as a pup NOT to chase/kill/look at stock, game birds ..even rabbits but then 12 mth later try and enter it to the same prohibited stock. Use a rabbit pen for gun dogs but then you dont go out and let the lab or Springer chase or peg stuff... Of course they understand they are intelligent animals. I've got a pp trained Malinois here that doesn't walk past every human thinking "I wonder what he tastes like" yet a simple command and I can send him in to pull anybody down and hold them in his jaws until another command is given or I can sit him in front of you and hold you at bay without biting. The same with sheep/cattle dogs they will run around herding at a distance but can also apply pressure when it's asked of them to single out a particular beast then they can happily sit down by a gate in the same field full of stock because they've been given a "stay" command. Surely being in control of your dog should be paramount in the very basic stages of training? 4 Quote Link to post
milknhony 5 Posted July 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Still cant see how training a dog could be wrong, first Lurcher i had took him out as a pup to learn the robes with older men and older dogs i was 15 at the time and the dog turned out to be a non retreiving hard mouthed lazy hunting also ran hound, had him for 14 years tho, second dog took to the books NEVER worked him with other dogs and never looked back Really thought the way i do things was a lot more common how wrong i was, not one replie about Base line blood the whole point in this thread, just shocked abuse at the thought of exspecting more from a canine than reacting to a moving target, oh well time to jog on i think i know when im beat HAPPY HUNTING all!!!!!! Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Still cant see how training a dog could be wrong, first Lurcher i had took him out as a pup to learn the robes with older men and older dogs i was 15 at the time and the dog turned out to be a non retreiving hard mouthed lazy hunting also ran hound, had him for 14 years tho, second dog took to the books NEVER worked him with other dogs and never looked back Really thought the way i do things was a lot more common how wrong i was, not one replie about Base line blood the whole point in this thread, just shocked abuse at the thought of exspecting more from a canine than reacting to a moving target, oh well time to jog on i think i know when im beat HAPPY HUNTING all!!!!!! Aye piss off... Quote Link to post
BIG TOM 835 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) Still cant see how training a dog could be wrong, first Lurcher i had took him out as a pup to learn the robes with older men and older dogs i was 15 at the time and the dog turned out to be a non retreiving hard mouthed lazy hunting also ran hound, had him for 14 years tho, second dog took to the books NEVER worked him with other dogs and never looked back Really thought the way i do things was a lot more common how wrong i was, not one replie about Base line blood the whole point in this thread, just shocked abuse at the thought of exspecting more from a canine than reacting to a moving target, oh well time to jog on i think i know when im beat HAPPY HUNTING all!!!!!! Aye piss off... If any thing mate U have a way with words haha Edited July 28, 2013 by BIG TOM Quote Link to post
jamesmc 582 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 YOU SHOULD HAVE TITLED THIS THREAD......HEAVY BASE ABUSE......BEACAUSE YOUR HEAD IF FCUKING WASTED MATE....,LOT A SHITE YOUR TALKING... 1 Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Still cant see how training a dog could be wrong, first Lurcher i had took him out as a pup to learn the robes with older men and older dogs i was 15 at the time and the dog turned out to be a non retreiving hard mouthed lazy hunting also ran hound, had him for 14 years tho, second dog took to the books NEVER worked him with other dogs and never looked back Really thought the way i do things was a lot more common how wrong i was, not one replie about Base line blood the whole point in this thread, just shocked abuse at the thought of exspecting more from a canine than reacting to a moving target, oh well time to jog on i think i know when im beat HAPPY HUNTING all!!!!!! Aye piss off... If any thing mate U have a way with words haha That's notning mate you should see my bacon and egg flan....or my dropped scones....gifted..... 1 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,078 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) Still cant see how training a dog could be wrong, first Lurcher i had took him out as a pup to learn the robes with older men and older dogs i was 15 at the time and the dog turned out to be a non retreiving hard mouthed lazy hunting also ran hound, had him for 14 years tho, second dog took to the books NEVER worked him with other dogs and never looked back Really thought the way i do things was a lot more common how wrong i was, not one replie about Base line blood the whole point in this thread, just shocked abuse at the thought of exspecting more from a canine than reacting to a moving target, oh well time to jog on i think i know when im beat HAPPY HUNTING all!!!!!! What is base line blood ffs a f--ken story about how you got into dogs and how better you are at training than every one else wtf are you smoking a new strain of weed ? called fullofmyself Edited July 28, 2013 by nothernlite Quote Link to post
darbo 4,774 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Still cant see how training a dog could be wrong, first Lurcher i had took him out as a pup to learn the robes with older men and older dogs i was 15 at the time and the dog turned out to be a non retreiving hard mouthed lazy hunting also ran hound, had him for 14 years tho, second dog took to the books NEVER worked him with other dogs and never looked back Really thought the way i do things was a lot more common how wrong i was, not one replie about Base line blood the whole point in this thread, just shocked abuse at the thought of exspecting more from a canine than reacting to a moving target, oh well time to jog on i think i know when im beat HAPPY HUNTING all!!!!!! Never mind at least you tried. ive seen a few very well trained dogs over the years and not all had a heavy base line as you put it. i recall a diamond a whippet/greyhound biddable as could be and as crafty as a scouser. 1 Quote Link to post
milknhony 5 Posted July 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Base blood would be the working part in a Lurchers make up ie Collie terrier gundog ect as a cross such as a Whippet Greyhound is not a Lurcher but a long dog concentrate stay with me, as to blowing smoke up my own arse about being a better Trainer than you, i didnt no i was, thought what i do is common place with DOG men well untill now lol thought how i got into working dogs may of been of intrest to some, as i grew up on a council estate in east London with no dog men around me and it was actually a dog Alsation Lab that introduced me to the love of watching dogs work! Now this is reallymy last post because as the old man once told me, you cant argue with an idiot Quote Link to post
milknhony 5 Posted July 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Still cant see how training a dog could be wrong, first Lurcher i had took him out as a pup to learn the robes with older men and older dogs i was 15 at the time and the dog turned out to be a non retreiving hard mouthed lazy hunting also ran hound, had him for 14 years tho, second dog took to the books NEVER worked him with other dogs and never looked back Really thought the way i do things was a lot more common how wrong i was, not one replie about Base line blood the whole point in this thread, just shocked abuse at the thought of exspecting more from a canine than reacting to a moving target, oh well time to jog on i think i know when im beat HAPPY HUNTING all!!!!!! Never mind at least you tried. ive seen a few very well trained dogs over the years and not all had a heavy base line as you put it. i recall a diamond a whippet/greyhound biddable as could be and as crafty as a scouser. yea seen some real good pure Whippets and whould deffo have one Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) Base blood would be the working part in a Lurchers make up ie Collie terrier gundog ect as a cross such as a Whippet Greyhound is not a Lurcher but a long dog concentrate stay with me, as to blowing smoke up my own arse about being a better Trainer than you, i didnt no i was, thought what i do is common place with DOG men well untill now lol thought how i got into working dogs may of been of intrest to some, as i grew up on a council estate in east London with no dog men around me and it was actually a dog Alsation Lab that introduced me to the love of watching dogs work! Now this is reallymy last post because as the old man once told me, you cant argue with an idiot This Internet malarky,.is a funny old thing... Ya never realy know who you are speaking to,.or if he/she, is a genuine Goodfellah.... Personaly,..I hate the entire concept of this ridiculous annonimoty,..but,.I must admit,..a part of it,.. is certainly addictive.... So,.I would have to say that ,."a trained dog, is a happy dog ",...and whether you are walking on permission or freelancing,...a critter that knows the score, is a far better workmate,...and,.'back in the day',..invariably lived a whole lot longer... My appologies for such a weak post, but I was up, until four in the morning,..whelping a bitch,..and,.it was, emotional... Edited July 28, 2013 by Phil Lloyd 1 Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 Base blood would be the working part in a Lurchers make up ie Collie terrier gundog ect as a cross such as a Whippet Greyhound is not a Lurcher but a long dog concentrate stay with me, as to blowing smoke up my own arse about being a better Trainer than you, i didnt no i was, thought what i do is common place with DOG men well untill now lol thought how i got into working dogs may of been of intrest to some, as i grew up on a council estate in east London with no dog men around me and it was actually a dog Alsation Lab that introduced me to the love of watching dogs work! Now this is reallymy last post because as the old man once told me, you cant argue with an idiot This Internet malarky,.is a funny old thing... Ya never realy know who you are speaking to,.or if he/she, is a genuine Goodfellah.... Personaly,..I hate the entire concept of this ridiculous annonimoty,..but,.I must admit,..a part of it,.. is certainly addictive.... So,.I would have to say that ,."a trained dog, is a happy dog ",...and whether you are walking on permission or freelancing,...a critter that knows the score, is a far better workmate,...and,.'back in the day',..invariably lived a whole lot longer... My appologies for such a weak post, but I was up, until four in the morning,..whelping a bitch,..and,.it was, emotional... How'd your wee bitch come on Phil...all go well I hope...???? Quote Link to post
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