Someone's Poaching My Permission !

[penny wise 136]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oooh! THL Rambos out in force eh?

 

I can't see you poaching his land though mate........its always raining in Scotland.

That's a point. Crosssing it off my list now. I wouldn't poach anywhere with a gun though.

Ages ago I used to go for a wander with an air rifle......and then I read if you get caught you will get done for armed trespass, decided that's not really worth having on your record for the sake of a couple of pigeons

It's the going to prison for 5 years that puts me off a little.

f*****g five year for being on somebodys land with an air riffle dont talk wet hahaha. You wouldnt even get five year if ya knocked the farm clean out. Only Because he wouldnt of sin it coming, and known who the f**k had hit him. And if any body come up to me with a gun pointing it they best be prepared to use it. thats all am saying because it takes some guts to shoot somebody. And over a bit a permission.

Who said air rifle? Keyboard warrior twat.

Well any gun then titt. l know of lads who've only go a five strech and that for armed blags not walking a field. Do one you havent a clue.

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oooh! THL Rambos out in force eh?

I can't see you poaching his land though mate........its always raining in Scotland.

That's a point. Crosssing it off my list now. I wouldn't poach anywhere with a gun though.

Ages ago I used to go for a wander with an air rifle......and then I read if you get caught you will get done for armed trespass, decided that's not really worth having on your record for the sake of a couple of pigeons

It's the going to prison for 5 years that puts me off a little.

f*****g five year for being on somebodys land with an air riffle dont talk wet hahaha. You wouldnt even get five year if ya knocked the farm clean out. Only Because he wouldnt of sin it coming, and known who the f**k had hit him. And if any body come up to me with a gun pointing it they best be prepared to use it. thats all am saying because it takes some guts to shoot somebody. And over a bit a permission.

Who said air rifle? Keyboard warrior twat.

Well any gun then titt. l know of lads who've only go a five strech and that for armed blags not walking a field. Do one you havent a clue.

 

 

You "know of" a lot of things....apparently. Probably by reading rather than doing. "Armed blags". Who the f**k are you Jack Regan? Now stop bothering me boy.

[penny wise 136]

They wont worry about going to prison, I hear the sex is great

None of that shit goes on mate is that what ya dad told ya lol. But the foods got better and it gives you a rest away from the misses.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oooh! THL Rambos out in force eh?

I can't see you poaching his land though mate........its always raining in Scotland.

That's a point. Crosssing it off my list now. I wouldn't poach anywhere with a gun though.

Ages ago I used to go for a wander with an air rifle......and then I read if you get caught you will get done for armed trespass, decided that's not really worth having on your record for the sake of a couple of pigeons

It's the going to prison for 5 years that puts me off a little.

f*****g five year for being on somebodys land with an air riffle dont talk wet hahaha. You wouldnt even get five year if ya knocked the farm clean out. Only Because he wouldnt of sin it coming, and known who the f**k had hit him. And if any body come up to me with a gun pointing it they best be prepared to use it. thats all am saying because it takes some guts to shoot somebody. And over a bit a permission.

Who said air rifle? Keyboard warrior twat.

Well any gun then titt. l know of lads who've only go a five strech and that for armed blags not walking a field. Do one you havent a clue.

 

Well go get a shotgun and try it, if your still around after then post on here how it went !

[penny wise 136]

 

 

 

 

I would be tempted to lie in wait and shoot them in the legs/backside,as they have no right to be there,and you have!.

But if my better side won and i decided that was a silly thing to do,i would get some mates together and lie in wait with night vision if need be.

THEN U'D PROB END UP UNDER A 4x4 WITH UR GUN TOOK OFF YOU....

So at what point do you run him over.. After he has SHOT you or before he SHOOTS you? Cause that's exactly what I'd do if someone was trying to shoot me....try and take there gun off them....NOT!!!!.... Lol

YEAH IF I WAZ POACHING WITH THE LADS AND SOMEONE SHOT ME OR ONE OF THEM#tried too kill us#THAT WHAT MOST WUD PROB DO,I know ude prop run home screaming sell ur dogs and hunting gear an never go again..hahahaha....

Probably..... But I'd be happy that I'd shot you at least...... Lol

Then you would be in the nick and more poaches could go on your permission or sorry your banged up lol. So it would be the poachers. And the farmer wouldnt be happy that you had shoot somebody on his land the press would be all over and farm shut down for a few days.

[dytkos 17,804]

Maybe I'm thinking a bit too laterely here but what about just waiting a few nights to catch him/them on the land and then review your options? ie, A quiet word, a note on the windscreen, etc, basically, one step at a time till you have enough info to take the required action

 

Softly softly, catchee monkey.

 

Cheers, D.

[paulus 26]

Maybe I'm thinking a bit too laterely here but what about just waiting a few nights to catch him/them on the land and then review your options? ie, A quiet word, a note on the windscreen, etc, basically, one step at a time till you have enough info to take the required action

 

Softly softly, catchee monkey.

 

Cheers, D.

sensationalism "Nuke The Cnut"

[desertbred 5,490]

Nukes for sale hope this is in the right section

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

 

 

 

 

 

I would be tempted to lie in wait and shoot them in the legs/backside,as they have no right to be there,and you have!.

But if my better side won and i decided that was a silly thing to do,i would get some mates together and lie in wait with night vision if need be.

THEN U'D PROB END UP UNDER A 4x4 WITH UR GUN TOOK OFF YOU....

So at what point do you run him over.. After he has SHOT you or before he SHOOTS you? Cause that's exactly what I'd do if someone was trying to shoot me....try and take there gun off them....NOT!!!!.... Lol

YEAH IF I WAZ POACHING WITH THE LADS AND SOMEONE SHOT ME OR ONE OF THEM#tried too kill us#THAT WHAT MOST WUD PROB DO,I know ude prop run home screaming sell ur dogs and hunting gear an never go again..hahahaha....

Probably..... But I'd be happy that I'd shot you at least...... Lol

Then you would be in the nick and more poaches could go on your permission or sorry your banged up lol. So it would be the poachers. And the farmer wouldnt be happy that you had shoot somebody on his land the press would be all over and farm shut down for a few days.

 

 

You don't half speak some pile of shite......

[rob190364 2,594]

 

Maybe I'm thinking a bit too laterely here but what about just waiting a few nights to catch him/them on the land and then review your options? ie, A quiet word, a note on the windscreen, etc, basically, one step at a time till you have enough info to take the required action

 

Softly softly, catchee monkey.

 

Cheers, D.

sensationalism "Nuke The Cnut"

 

[johnny.w 316]

I don't know what the minimum term for armed trespass is, but the maximum is 7 years. Even if the minimum was 2 days in nick, it's too much. Easier to stick to my own permissions then home for tea and medals.

[paulus 26]

I don't know what the minimum term for armed trespass is, but the maximum is 7 years. Even if the minimum was 2 days in nick, it's too much. Easier to stick to my own permissions then home for tea and medals.

if it was a firearm with no license then its a firearms offense with a mandatory minimum sentence, here`s the courts sentencing guidelines

 

Firearms - Section 51A Firearms Act 1968 (as inserted by section 287 Criminal Justice Act 2003

Section 287 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 inserted a new section 51A into the Firearms Act 1968 that introduced a mandatory minimum sentence for the offence of possession, purchase, acquisition, manufacture, transfer or sale of certain prohibited weapons on or after 22 January 2004.

The section requires that a Crown Court shall impose a minimum sentence of:

• 5 years' imprisonment if the offender is aged 18 or over when convicted; or,
• 3 years detention under s. 91 PCC(S)A 2000 (long term detention) if the offender was under 18 but over 16 when the offence was committed.

For offences committed on or after 28 May 2007 the Firearms (Sentencing) (Transitory Provisions) Order 2007 rectified a lacuna identified by providing that where there was a reference to an offender aged 18 or over, it should read an offender aged 21 or over; and inserted a new sub-paragraph providing that where an offender is aged at least 18, but who is under 21 the "appropriate custodial sentence", means a sentence of detention at a young offenders institution under section 96 PCC(S)A 2000.

For further explanation of the different commencement dates and firearms generally please see the chapter Firearms, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance.

The qualifying offences are:

• Section 5(1)(a) any firearm which is so designed or adapted so that two or more missiles can be successively discharged without repeated pressure on the trigger e.g. machine guns, burst fire weapons;
• Section 5(1)(ab) any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for 22 rim-fire e.g. short barrelled rifles or carbines;
• Section 5(1)(aba) any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30cm in length or is less than 60cm in length overall, other than an air weapon, a muzzle-loading gun or a firearm designed as signalling apparatus e.g. handguns, revolvers;
• Section 5(1)(ac) any self-loading or pump-action smooth-bore gun which is not an air weapon or chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges and either has a barrel less than 24" in length or is less than 40" in length overall e.g. self loading or pump action shotguns;
• Section 5(1)(ad) any smooth-bore revolver gun other than one that is chambered for 9mm rim-fire cartridges or a muzzle-loading gun e.g. Dragon or Striker Gun;
• Section 5(1)(ae) any rocket launcher, or any mortar, for projecting a stabilised missile, other than a launcher or mortar designed for line-throwing or pyrotechnic purposes or as signalling apparatus;
• Section 5(1)(af) any air rifle, air gun or air pistol which uses, or is designed or adapted for use with, a self- contained gas cartridge system e.g. Brococks;
• Section 5 (1)© any cartridge with a bullet designed to explode on or immediately before impact, any ammunition containing or designed or adapted to contain any such noxious thing as mentioned above, and, if capable of being used with a firearm of any description, any grenade, bomb (or other like missile), or rocket or shell designed to explode as aforesaid e.g. ammunition containing explosive bullets or CS;
• Section 5 (1)(A)(a) any firearm which is disguised as another object, e.g. pengun, key fob gun,

Section 29 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 extends the mandatory minimum sentence (of not less than 5 years) to the offence of using another person to mind a dangerous weapon, where the weapon is a prohibited weapon.

Section 30 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 extends the mandatory minimum sentence under section 51A ( 5 years for over 18 and 3 years for under 18 but over 16) to the following offences committed on or after 6 April 2007, where the firearm used is a prohibited weapon listed above:

• Section 16 Firearms Act 1968 (possession of firearm with intent to injure);
• Section 16A Firearms Act 1968 (possession of firearm with intent to cause fear of violence);
• Section 17 Firearms Act 1968 (use of firearm to resist arrest);
• Section 18 Firearms Act 1968 (carrying firearm with criminal intent);
• Section 19 18 Firearms Act 1968 (carrying a firearm in a public place);
• Section 20 (1) 18 Firearms Act 1968 (trespassing in a building with a firearm);
• Section 28 Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (using another person to mind a dangerous weapon).

Note: The minimum sentence provisions for firearms offences apply on first conviction, unlike the provisions of s110 and 111 PCC(S)A, which apply only to repeat offenders.

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Reducing the minimum term

Section 51A does not allow for a reduction of the required minimum term on account of a guilty plea.

The court has discretion not to impose the minimum term, if of the opinion that there are "exceptional circumstances" relating to either of the offences, or to the offender which justifies it not doing so. The exceptional circumstances must be stated in open court.

"Exceptional circumstances":

• Where imposing the minimum term would result in an arbitrary and disproportionate sentence (R. v. Rehman; R .v. Wood[2006] 1 Cr.App.R.(S) 77 CA);
• Circumstances of the offender- e.g. unfit to serve a five year sentence or is of advanced years; age and ill-health ( R. v. Shaw [2011] 2 Cr.App. R.(S) 65 CA)
• But may now have a stricter approach so that only "truly exceptional circumstances" apply (Att. Gen's Reference (No 43 of 2009) (R. V. Bennett); R. V. Williams [2010 1 Cr.App.R (S) 100;.
• Must take in all the relevant aspects of the case - not just the type of weapon in question e.g. whether the weapon was foisted upon them ( R. v. Harrison [2006] 2 Cr. App.R (S) 56, CA);
• Aggressive and debilitation (possibly fatal) illness of the offender's young child ( Att.Gen's Ref. (No 23 of 2009) (R. v. Merrion) [2010] 1 Cr.App.R (S) 70 CA;)
• But leaving a firearm in an insecure bedsit after deciding not to use it to commit suicide was held not to be "exceptional" (R. v. Robinson [2010] 2 Cr.App. R(S) 20 CA).

[walshie 2,804]

No doubt the coursing-god, bad-boy, ex-con will be along shortly to dispute all of that.

[rob190364 2,594]

Even if you overlook the poaching, and the legalities of poaching with a gun etc. I can't understand why anyone would want to shoot a deer and just leave it there. Presumably they'll have left it so they don't have a deer in the car if they get pulled up on the way home? or were on foot so couldn't take it? either way...just don't shoot it to begin with, pointless! or at the very least drive home and drop your gun off and then go back to get it without guns/dogs etc. At least then you could say you found it at the side of the road. There's no wonder hunters have a bad name in some peoples eyes when pricks are doing things like that!

[rob190364 2,594]

No doubt the coursing-god, bad-boy, ex-con will be along shortly to dispute all of that.

just as soon as he's eaten his alphabetti spagetti and his mum lets him leave the table