North Wales --- dig it --- 2 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Thanks for the input ..I've put a hold on the collar !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beast 1,884 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 a collar will work if you are really desperate but please try other methods first!! i would strongly recommend that you get someone very skilled at training to show you how to use one proerly (no t the bloke down the pub who used one once!!) as the timinmg is absolutely critical, get it wrong by even a second and you can create all sorts of behavioural issues. personally i have never used one on any of my dogs but have watched other people, and basically they can work for certain problems in the right hands but are barbaric and pointless in the wrong hands Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Should put one on you geez try and find a different way.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Giro 2,648 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Nothing wrong with using a collar Thing is its not a small pup, if it gets among sheep it will end in tears... If you are trying and failing its a good last resort.. I have had to use one, on one of my dogs. No shame in it.. Prior to that I have stock broken two terriers and two lurchers.. So it was not being lazy it was a better alternative than a lead buiscuit.. The bitch had been in sheep from a young age and just turned over night and ment business.. I went back to basics .. I had it so she would walk to heal and not bat a eye, but get any distance between us and she was rounding them up and snapping at there back legs.. I spent months at it, several short times a day even stayed in a feild for a hour plus.. I think folk that are saying lazy have just not owned a problem dog.. We are not talking about fetching a young small pup on.. Its adult powerful dog thats wanting to kill ! My parents had a bull cross that they got from a cat and dog home.. Was pulling sheep all over feilds ragging and dragging them about.. Collar cured it must folk would of PTS a dog like that. It was the worst dog I have seen with sheep.. Each to there own 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saluki246 1,053 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Well said Giro. In my experience, keeping them updated with stock breaking is a must. However, in the heat of the moment, that can all change, especially them mountain wild sheep, they run and smell just like deer...! Its hard sometimes to have them totally sheep proof, one of the reasons i don't run dogs around sheep, as over here in ireland, if your dog is even seen near sheep and not chasing, it would be shot, very trigger happy farmers over here i can tell you now.. ! Another thing, more than 1 dog running together, makes a pack instinct and to kill is a lot more high on the cards, sometimes it just takes on sheep to break from the flock and panic, this sends some dogs wild!! Never any certainty when it comes to running dogs and sheep, makes it worse if you hunt wild goats ad deer as well..! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
North Wales --- dig it --- 2 Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Thanks for your input :) been out the last couple of nights and since I've been long leading him in the daytime around sheep he knows not to run on them !!! Even when lamping rabbits a couple of meters away he doesn't seam bothered, so things are looking good !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Giro 2,648 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Think you have got it cracked then mate.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Just got my hands on a nice 3/4 grey 1/4 bull male. He is 10 months old and the only reason I have him is his owner need money !! So a win win for me, I was told today he was stock Brocken but have found out the other night he has an eye from the sheep !!! And again today while walking him on the sheep !!! I've ordered a shock collar but would love any feed back ??? How many times have we read this...buy a an adult or a sapling...couple o days later we discover it has a bit of a penchant for mutton...!!!! What to do????? Electrocute it.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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