And Another Question... .243 75Gr Or 58Gr Norma

[bbjaccov5 4]

Or you could try the Sierra 60gn hollowpoint @ 3800fps they tend to make rather a large hole, my loading was 45.5 grains of h414, col 2.600" smack on, but now I prefer the 80gn blitz, as they work superbly on deer.

 

Hello, that's also a great bullet to try out once i start reloading. Any of you guys know's what is a good reloading brand?

Gr Jacco

[dicehorn 38]

Hello Peter,

 

So it was mainly the question what would be beter in windy conditions. A 75 gr or that ultra fast 58 gr. If they are both accurate otherwise i don't have to choose.

On my riflescope is also a "ballistic tower" so i can dial in at diffent ranges. But i heard sometimes its better to shoot a light bullet then a heavy bullet with weight. (and less to dial in)

 

I noticed that the bc of the 58 gr is better than the 75gr so that would mean the 58gr would be better in hard wind?

 

Gr Jacco

 

Really sorry to repeat myself, the most important factor is what will shoot more accurately - there is no point in shooting a bullet at say a crow at 300 metres if your chances are down to less than 20% success rate. Put it this way, it should not come down to what you like but what your rifle likes. Experiment with both weights is the only real sensible answer I can give you - members can tell you what suits their .243 but in reality it means nothing as a different make of rifle will perform differently - even the same make of rifle will have different tolerances (SAAMI spec) at best, peoples recipes can only be regarded as a guide.

 

There is no such thing as a flat shooting rifle - we have gravity. What we have is rifles that have less drop than others at a given distance. One of the most loopy c/f calibres out there is a 6mmBR - in the hands of good shot you would not want to expose your thumb nail as a target at 300 mtrs.

 

Experienced reloaders will tell you that if a given min/max powder range is say 36 to 42 grs you will find that the most accurate is nearer to 36 gr than 42 gr (could be around the 37.5 gr mark) - may not be the 'flatest' (as people say) but quite honestly the same bullet travelling at 3500 fps is only a nano second slower onto target than one moving at 3800 fps.

 

Once you develop an accurate round and knowing the BC, fps, temperature, humidity etc etc you can easily get a reasonable drop chart out to your selected distances - the hard part with distance shooting is being able to dope the wind. Knowing you have a 20 kilometre wind is one thing but putting that into your scope windage turret is another - is it a 90 degree wind or 40 degree, is it a constant 20 kilometre wind or variable - apps that can produce a chart of what your MOA should be are good as long as you are aware that if you put rubbish info into an app, that is what it will produce.

 

Try both weights for accuracy then get out there and practice with different winds and keep a record of your results. One of my small calibres is a 20 Tac shooting a 39gr, keeper asked me over to shoot two cubs right across a valley, with a 15 degree wind, perfect daylight (7 pm), first cub broadside ranged at 369 yds dialled in elevation and windage - through the shoulder. 20 mins later another cub sat facing away from me ranged at 395 yds - same procedure but margin for error on a target 12 cms wide - dead cub. If the wind was variable or changing direction a little - I very much doubt I could have pulled off this shot. The elevation was simple but windage has to be learnt though practice and recording detail..

 

Peter

[bbjaccov5 4]

 

Hello Peter,

 

So it was mainly the question what would be beter in windy conditions. A 75 gr or that ultra fast 58 gr. If they are both accurate otherwise i don't have to choose.

On my riflescope is also a "ballistic tower" so i can dial in at diffent ranges. But i heard sometimes its better to shoot a light bullet then a heavy bullet with weight. (and less to dial in)

 

I noticed that the bc of the 58 gr is better than the 75gr so that would mean the 58gr would be better in hard wind?

 

Gr Jacco

 

Really sorry to repeat myself, the most important factor is what will shoot more accurately - there is no point in shooting a bullet at say a crow at 300 metres if your chances are down to less than 20% success rate. Put it this way, it should not come down to what you like but what your rifle likes. Experiment with both weights is the only real sensible answer I can give you - members can tell you what suits their .243 but in reality it means nothing as a different make of rifle will perform differently - even the same make of rifle will have different tolerances (SAAMI spec) at best, peoples recipes can only be regarded as a guide.

 

There is no such thing as a flat shooting rifle - we have gravity. What we have is rifles that have less drop than others at a given distance. One of the most loopy c/f calibres out there is a 6mmBR - in the hands of good shot you would not want to expose your thumb nail as a target at 300 mtrs.

 

Experienced reloaders will tell you that if a given min/max powder range is say 36 to 42 grs you will find that the most accurate is nearer to 36 gr than 42 gr (could be around the 37.5 gr mark) - may not be the 'flatest' (as people say) but quite honestly the same bullet travelling at 3500 fps is only a nano second slower onto target than one moving at 3800 fps.

 

Once you develop an accurate round and knowing the BC, fps, temperature, humidity etc etc you can easily get a reasonable drop chart out to your selected distances - the hard part with distance shooting is being able to dope the wind. Knowing you have a 20 kilometre wind is one thing but putting that into your scope windage turret is another - is it a 90 degree wind or 40 degree, is it a constant 20 kilometre wind or variable - apps that can produce a chart of what your MOA should be are good as long as you are aware that if you put rubbish info into an app, that is what it will produce.

 

Try both weights for accuracy then get out there and practice with different winds and keep a record of your results. One of my small calibres is a 20 Tac shooting a 39gr, keeper asked me over to shoot two cubs right across a valley, with a 15 degree wind, perfect daylight (7 pm), first cub broadside ranged at 369 yds dialled in elevation and windage - through the shoulder. 20 mins later another cub sat facing away from me ranged at 395 yds - same procedure but margin for error on a target 12 cms wide - dead cub. If the wind was variable or changing direction a little - I very much doubt I could have pulled off this shot. The elevation was simple but windage has to be learnt though practice and recording detail..

 

Peter

 

 

Thank you..

 

I will try some bullets. Once i got my gun i will make a review since there is not much known about the titan 6. (exept some very good and some very bad opinions without pictures and details)

 

Gr Jacco.

[dicehorn 38]

 

 

 

 

Thank you..

 

I will try some bullets. Once i got my gun i will make a review since there is not much known about the titan 6. (exept some very good and some very bad opinions without pictures and details)

 

Gr Jacco.

 

 

Don't know much about the Titan 6 (although I do reload for a chap with an RWS in .223) Looked at some of the reviews and from what I have read it seems you are getting a nice rifle that shoots well.

 

Peter

[bbjaccov5 4]

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you..

 

I will try some bullets. Once i got my gun i will make a review since there is not much known about the titan 6. (exept some very good and some very bad opinions without pictures and details)

 

Gr Jacco.

 

 

Don't know much about the Titan 6 (although I do reload for a chap with an RWS in .223) Looked at some of the reviews and from what I have read it seems you are getting a nice rifle that shoots well.

 

Peter

 

 

Hee I hope so!! the test reports and most people seem to like it but i also saw reviews of people who could not shoot a 5cm groep at 100 yards... I hope i have my dream combination. Left handed, luxes wood stock andsemi weight barrel with a swarovski z6i 2.5-15x56

 

Do you know how good the chap with the .223 is shooting his rws?

Gr Jacco

[dicehorn 38]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you..

 

I will try some bullets. Once i got my gun i will make a review since there is not much known about the titan 6. (exept some very good and some very bad opinions without pictures and details)

 

Gr Jacco.

 

 

Don't know much about the Titan 6 (although I do reload for a chap with an RWS in .223) Looked at some of the reviews and from what I have read it seems you are getting a nice rifle that shoots well.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Do you know how good the chap with the .223 is shooting his rws?

Gr Jacco

 

 

This was the final load for the RWS which (to me) was acceptable in a factory barrel

 

[bbjaccov5 4]

The left group? Thats really good!

 

Gr Jacco