robin hood 109 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 first 12 weeks is key,a good covering of fat on the dog helps it develop i wouldnt want a runty looking thing looking like a bag of bones,same as i wouldnt want it to be like a balloon,balance is key to not putting too much pressure on the bones while they develop 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Interesting that??? So to keep a pup light are you not feeding it as much as it requires??? Must be a fine line between keeping it light and it not growing as it should....??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robin hood 109 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 a good covering not a belly hanging to the floor 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Keeping a pup light is absolute nonsense ... You need to put as much quality feed into a growing animal as it will take ... You should feed the pup on good quality protein based meals which promote muscle tendon and bone growth ... What the pup doesn't need will be stored in healthy fats in the body and the rest shit out ... A pup kept lean will not be getting the nutrients it needs to promote correct growth and will lack energy to run around and play which in turn grows muscle tendons bones etc ... Every growing animal in the world needs as much food as it can handle in its early development ... After around the 10 month mark then you can start to control what the pup eats and level its feed content with its work rate but up until then feed it well and feed it plenty ............. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AirgunGuy 362 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Well put Socks. I agree a young pup should get as much as it'll eat without being too overweight. Finding a balance is important;-) What you feed your pup is the building blocks and foundation of what it will be when mature. Feed it the best you can afford and feed it well ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Country Joe 1,411 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Just look at the Irish Greyhound breeders, they pump the grub into their pups, most feed ad lib, and they know what they are doing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lawrence 657 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 don't think anyone was advocating keeping a pup underweight, i just don't buy into the cram as much as you can into them method of rearing, since when did being overweight become healthy, overfeeding must put stress on a young dogs organs and bones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 don't think anyone was advocating keeping a pup underweight, i just don't buy into the cram as much as you can into them method of rearing, since when did being overweight become healthy, overfeeding must put stress on a young dogs organs and bones. If you have a healthy active puppy it would be almost impossible to make it obese as it will be burning off the excess food ........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 don't think anyone was advocating keeping a pup underweight, i just don't buy into the cram as much as you can into them method of rearing, since when did being overweight become healthy, overfeeding must put stress on a young dogs organs and bones. That's a bit silly that is it not...I have a year old son here who is a right wee chubby chap...and he's in the 96th percentile for age/weight...which means 96% of kids his age are lighter than him...am I worried eh....no....is the health visitor/doc worried eh....no...he's a strong, healthy and robust kid...never ill or poorly...all of my kids have been wee chubby things...all pictures of health and well being...wife has mates with skinny wee runty kids always ill and snottering all over... Strong and robuslty well fleshed far better than keeping them light.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 don't think anyone was advocating keeping a pup underweight, i just don't buy into the cram as much as you can into them method of rearing, since when did being overweight become healthy, overfeeding must put stress on a young dogs organs and bones. That's a bit silly that is it not...I have a year old son here who is a right wee chubby chap...and he's in the 96th percentile for age/weight...which means 96% of kids his age are lighter than him...am I worried eh....no....is the health visitor/doc worried eh....no...he's a strong, healthy and robust kid...never ill or poorly...all of my kids have been wee chubby things...all pictures of health and well being...wife has mates with skinny wee runty kids always ill and snottering all over... Strong and robuslty well fleshed far better than keeping them light.... My boy was exactly the same as a kid ... When he was born I couldn't span the little fukcer ... Over 6 foot now and 17 stone trains rugby twice a week boxing training twice a week weight trains every morning and works as a builder he has got arms bigger than my legs ... Would want a clip off the wee shit that's for sure ........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Big difference between fat and healthy in both humans and dogs, neither are helped by being fat, read a good study that showed increased in musculoskeletal problems with fat puppies but can't remember where I saw it so you’ll have to take my word for it lol. It might be in this lot below but not got time to look but help yourselves lol. I used to go for fat puppies but now would go for well covered to slim but not skinny. Like most things bit of common sense should do the trick. Help yourself section…….. 1. Burkholder WJ, Toll PW. Obesity. In: Hand MS, Thatcher CD, Reimillard RL, Roudebush P, Morris ML, Novotny BJ, editors. Small animal clinical nutrition, 4th edition. Topeka, KS: Mark Morris Institute. 2000; p. 401–30. 2. Kopelman PG. Obesity as a medical problem. Nature. 2000;404:635–43.[Medline] 3. Flegal KM, Carroll MD, Ogden CL, Johnson CL. Prevalence and trends in obesity among US adults, 1999–2000. 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Country Joe 1,411 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Sandy do really read this lot. you need to get out more. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dymented 2,220 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 id rather have a nice fat pup you can see a difference in them when they grow had a litter off pups resistantly kept 2 pups back all the same size when there owners chose them the two i kept made big dogs 28" + now the others that are local that weren't as fat as they should be while growing struggled to make 25 26" i no what i prefer ! i can always run the puppy fat off them when i get them fit in the winter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil cooney 10,416 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 As usual with THL my post is being misinterpreted. Someone said you can't over feed a pup. IMO you can. There's a big difference between being a little under weight and malnourished. You should feed the pup the correct amount according to how active the pup is etc. but keeping the pup nice and healthy. Think of the breeds that when they're adult need great stamina. Greyhounds, Salukis and their hybrids, pit bulls, collies and hounds. IMO these breeds are usually reared in such a way that they're never overweight. On the subject of tripe ? It's brilliant for rearing pups IMO and all dogs love it. When ever I've tried to feed it for one meal and a complete dogfood for the next meal I've found the pup will ignore the complete because it want's it's tripe. I feed pups 4 times a day 'till they're around 4 months and IMO at no stage ever of a dogs life should food be available 24/7. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Country Joe 1,411 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) We all know dogs love tripe especially the green stuff, which I used to get from my local Abattoir . It was the protein factor in Tripe compared to other Meat is lower than beef for instance is 18% I think thats correct, dont know about Chicken or Lamb. Tripe Crude protein13.5% Crude Fat 11.6% Crude Ash 1.9 % crude Fibre 1% Moisture 72% when I feed it, i mix it with Beef, Lamb or Chicken especially for Pups. Edited July 16, 2013 by Country Joe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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