youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Must be, im fitting loftboards with 2 500w halogens beaming on my head, its hot as hell lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Well if people back in the day thought like that most of these breeds wouldn't exist in the first place! Just out of interest then, and I know it's a bit of a digression....but what are your thoughts on the humble lurcher? you don't agree with their very existence? not a pop, just curious about that way of thinking. Its called evolution.......what starts off as a good idea is often replaced with a better one. I think the lurcher is a cracking BREED..................or do you not class the Lurcher as a breed ?......Its either a breed or its a mongrel you cant have it both ways ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Well if people back in the day thought like that most of these breeds wouldn't exist in the first place! Just out of interest then, and I know it's a bit of a digression....but what are your thoughts on the humble lurcher? you don't agree with their very existence? not a pop, just curious about that way of thinking. Its called evolution.......what starts off as a good idea is often replaced with a better one. I think the lurcher is a cracking BREED..................or do you not class the Lurcher as a breed ?......Its either a breed or its a mongrel you cant have it both ways ? evolution yes, brought about by cross breeding....is it not? the lurcher is in no way, shape or form a breed, how on earth can it be when it could be a mix of a dozen or more different dogs?? a lurcher is a crossbreed/mongrel that has sighthound and sheepdog or terrier in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. If a dog trainer could train out dog aggression in a fighting dog that would tell me nothing about the dog trainer but everything about the dog.......what it would tell me is that its a poor representative of its breed and in an ideal world would be culled !....................I could say i could take a champion winning greyhound and teach it to run slowly....does that make me a good dog trainer or the dog a poor greyhound ? Im not saying the genetic inheritance of a dog stops it from being a nice friendly well adjusted dog................but if taking away the very trait the dog has been bred around for generations is what took place to achieve that then the dog is a poor dog full stop i dont care how good the trainer is....................when traits that have taken hundreds of years to stamp in can be taken away by 1 man over 1 generation then it was a poorly bred specimen in the firdst place sorry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. If a dog trainer could train out dog aggression in a fighting dog that would tell me nothing about the dog trainer but everything about the dog.......what it would tell me is that its a poor representative of its breed and in an ideal world would be culled !....................I could say i could take a champion winning greyhound and teach it to run slowly....does that make me a good dog trainer or the dog a poor greyhound ? Im not saying the genetic inheritance of a dog stops it from being a nice friendly well adjusted dog................but if taking away the very trait the dog has been bred around for generations is what took place to achieve that then the dog is a poor dog full stop i dont care how good the trainer is....................when traits that have taken hundreds of years to stamp in can be taken away by 1 man over 1 generation then it was a poorly bred specimen in the firdst place sorry. Ok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,925 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Well if people back in the day thought like that most of these breeds wouldn't exist in the first place! Just out of interest then, and I know it's a bit of a digression....but what are your thoughts on the humble lurcher? you don't agree with their very existence? not a pop, just curious about that way of thinking. Its called evolution.......what starts off as a good idea is often replaced with a better one. I think the lurcher is a cracking BREED..................or do you not class the Lurcher as a breed ?......Its either a breed or its a mongrel you cant have it both ways ? evolution yes, brought about by cross breeding....is it not? the lurcher is in no way, shape or form a breed, how on earth can it be when it could be a mix of a dozen or more different dogs?? a lurcher is a crossbreed/mongrel that has sighthound and sheepdog or terrier in it. a lurcher is a type of dog, as above not a breed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. If a dog trainer could train out dog aggression in a fighting dog that would tell me nothing about the dog trainer but everything about the dog.......what it would tell me is that its a poor representative of its breed and in an ideal world would be culled !....................I could say i could take a champion winning greyhound and teach it to run slowly....does that make me a good dog trainer or the dog a poor greyhound ? Im not saying the genetic inheritance of a dog stops it from being a nice friendly well adjusted dog................but if taking away the very trait the dog has been bred around for generations is what took place to achieve that then the dog is a poor dog full stop i dont care how good the trainer is....................when traits that have taken hundreds of years to stamp in can be taken away by 1 man over 1 generation then it was a poorly bred specimen in the firdst place sorry. Ok Well dont call me naive and then step back with a miserable " ok " i was just getting into " debate mode " ................it is a bit hot though aint it think i,ll go and have a salad instead Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j1985 1,984 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Chuck some chicken breasts and some eggs in that salad and I'll join you!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. If a dog trainer could train out dog aggression in a fighting dog that would tell me nothing about the dog trainer but everything about the dog.......what it would tell me is that its a poor representative of its breed and in an ideal world would be culled !....................I could say i could take a champion winning greyhound and teach it to run slowly....does that make me a good dog trainer or the dog a poor greyhound ? Im not saying the genetic inheritance of a dog stops it from being a nice friendly well adjusted dog................but if taking away the very trait the dog has been bred around for generations is what took place to achieve that then the dog is a poor dog full stop i dont care how good the trainer is....................when traits that have taken hundreds of years to stamp in can be taken away by 1 man over 1 generation then it was a poorly bred specimen in the firdst place sorry. Ok Well dont call me naive and then step back with a miserable " ok " i was just getting into " debate mode " ................it is a bit hot though aint it think i,ll go and have a salad instead ive been stuck in a loft all day putting floorboards down with minimal oxygen, 40 + degrees heat and two read hot lights cooking the top of my head so i carnt be arsed to debate lol, im knackered and it hurts to think, easier just to bite my tongue and let us agree to disagree Edited July 17, 2013 by youcanthide...BANG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid 935 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 500W lights lol, and two ? The helicopters are gong to be interested in that attic 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. If a dog trainer could train out dog aggression in a fighting dog that would tell me nothing about the dog trainer but everything about the dog.......what it would tell me is that its a poor representative of its breed and in an ideal world would be culled !....................I could say i could take a champion winning greyhound and teach it to run slowly....does that make me a good dog trainer or the dog a poor greyhound ? Im not saying the genetic inheritance of a dog stops it from being a nice friendly well adjusted dog................but if taking away the very trait the dog has been bred around for generations is what took place to achieve that then the dog is a poor dog full stop i dont care how good the trainer is....................when traits that have taken hundreds of years to stamp in can be taken away by 1 man over 1 generation then it was a poorly bred specimen in the firdst place sorry. Ok Well dont call me naive and then step back with a miserable " ok " i was just getting into " debate mode " ................it is a bit hot though aint it think i,ll go and have a salad instead ive been stuck in a loft all day putting floorboards down with minimal oxygen, 40 + degrees heat and two read hot lights cooking the top of my head so i carnt be arsed to debate lol, im knackered and it hurts to think, easier just to bite my tongue and let us agree to disagree and the fact you're wrong helps that decision Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Well if people back in the day thought like that most of these breeds wouldn't exist in the first place! Just out of interest then, and I know it's a bit of a digression....but what are your thoughts on the humble lurcher? you don't agree with their very existence? not a pop, just curious about that way of thinking. Its called evolution.......what starts off as a good idea is often replaced with a better one. I think the lurcher is a cracking BREED..................or do you not class the Lurcher as a breed ?......Its either a breed or its a mongrel you cant have it both ways ? evolution yes, brought about by cross breeding....is it not? the lurcher is in no way, shape or form a breed, how on earth can it be when it could be a mix of a dozen or more different dogs?? a lurcher is a crossbreed/mongrel that has sighthound and sheepdog or terrier in it. So tell me.....just out of interest.....at what stage did the bull and terrier for instance become 1 dog breed ?........1800,s ? 1950,s ? 2000,s ?......when ? Keeping in mind i could turn a Great Dane into a Chinuaha within 3% in as little as 5 generations ( a mere 10-15 years )... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid 935 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 when the kennel club decided it was one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. If a dog trainer could train out dog aggression in a fighting dog that would tell me nothing about the dog trainer but everything about the dog.......what it would tell me is that its a poor representative of its breed and in an ideal world would be culled !....................I could say i could take a champion winning greyhound and teach it to run slowly....does that make me a good dog trainer or the dog a poor greyhound ? Im not saying the genetic inheritance of a dog stops it from being a nice friendly well adjusted dog................but if taking away the very trait the dog has been bred around for generations is what took place to achieve that then the dog is a poor dog full stop i dont care how good the trainer is....................when traits that have taken hundreds of years to stamp in can be taken away by 1 man over 1 generation then it was a poorly bred specimen in the firdst place sorry. Ok Well dont call me naive and then step back with a miserable " ok " i was just getting into " debate mode " ................it is a bit hot though aint it think i,ll go and have a salad instead ive been stuck in a loft all day putting floorboards down with minimal oxygen, 40 + degrees heat and two read hot lights cooking the top of my head so i carnt be arsed to debate lol, im knackered and it hurts to think, easier just to bite my tongue and let us agree to disagree pfffff thats nothing ive spent the day with the wife ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 500W lights lol, and two ? The helicopters are gong to be interested in that attic Its was a big loft lol and there the only things we had with a long enough cable and they run of one unit so carnt have one without the other lol Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. If a dog trainer could train out dog aggression in a fighting dog that would tell me nothing about the dog trainer but everything about the dog.......what it would tell me is that its a poor representative of its breed and in an ideal world would be culled !....................I could say i could take a champion winning greyhound and teach it to run slowly....does that make me a good dog trainer or the dog a poor greyhound ? Im not saying the genetic inheritance of a dog stops it from being a nice friendly well adjusted dog................but if taking away the very trait the dog has been bred around for generations is what took place to achieve that then the dog is a poor dog full stop i dont care how good the trainer is....................when traits that have taken hundreds of years to stamp in can be taken away by 1 man over 1 generation then it was a poorly bred specimen in the firdst place sorry. Ok Well dont call me naive and then step back with a miserable " ok " i was just getting into " debate mode " ................it is a bit hot though aint it think i,ll go and have a salad instead ive been stuck in a loft all day putting floorboards down with minimal oxygen, 40 + degrees heat and two read hot lights cooking the top of my head so i carnt be arsed to debate lol, im knackered and it hurts to think, easier just to bite my tongue and let us agree to disagree and the fact you're wrong helps that decision f**k off 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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