stabba 10,745 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I know thats your opinion and all but me personally think despite the breeding or genes into a dog, enough hard work and you will get a good dog that just wont snap like you say, theres no reason regarding genes and breeding why a once playful pup just turns agressive, each to their own though That is an unbelievably naive comment......do you think your couple of years " hard work " as you put it.....removing the trait........can overide the 100+ years it took to stamp the trait in their in the first place ? took the words right out of my mouth mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,877 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I keep a bull breed, not a fighting breed per se but a breed that is more up for a scrap than most and definitely able to inflict serious wounds to another animal quickly. Because of that I have adequate leads and collars and even though he is a very well socialised steady dog accidents can and do happen so I'm respectful of that and don't let him run with dogs down the local park, I do my best to avoid them if anything. It really is that simple, now if everyone else did the same 90% of accidental dog fights would never happen. You sound like the right type of person to own such an animal........those who are in denial should not be allowed to own one full stop ! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tallyho 181 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 like i have said before people are too quick to blame the owners now i know in most cases with the bull breeds the owners dont help, but you do get snotty bad tempered animals be it horses cats dogs ferrets , had a staff years ago , was fine with people and kids, she was brought up round othere dogs, took her for a walk one day thinking she was ok ,another dog approached she was tail wagging but the moment the other dog came close enough she fooking went for it little bitch was never good with other dogs after that, but that was not down to bad ownership. some times you have to stop blaming the owners and just blame the animal . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 like i have said before people are too quick to blame the owners now i know in most cases with the bull breeds the owners dont help, but you do get snotty bad tempered animals be it horses cats dogs ferrets , had a staff years ago , was fine with people and kids, she was brought up round othere dogs, took her for a walk one day thinking she was ok ,another dog approached she was tail wagging but the moment the other dog came close enough she fooking went for it little bitch was never good with other dogs after that, but that was not down to bad ownership. some times you have to stop blaming the owners and just blame the animal . " Theres no bad dogs just bad owners ".......has to be the most ludicrous gullible statement ever coined in the dog world !.......How anyone could give it some thought and still believe it to be truth is hilarious. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j1985 1,984 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I keep a bull breed, not a fighting breed per se but a breed that is more up for a scrap than most and definitely able to inflict serious wounds to another animal quickly. Because of that I have adequate leads and collars and even though he is a very well socialised steady dog accidents can and do happen so I'm respectful of that and don't let him run with dogs down the local park, I do my best to avoid them if anything. It really is that simple, now if everyone else did the same 90% of accidental dog fights would never happen. You sound like the right type of person to own such an animal........those who are in denial should not be allowed to own one full stop ! Iv just got a brain between my ears mate, unlike the majority of bull breed owners! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I just think all bullbreed owners really do know what they have at the end of there lead so taking special care when out is just the right thing to do, if your stupid enough to think nothing will never happen to me then a wee bit of luck you may need.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I know thats your opinion and all but me personally think despite the breeding or genes into a dog, enough hard work and you will get a good dog that just wont snap like you say, theres no reason regarding genes and breeding why a once playful pup just turns agressive, each to their own though That is an unbelievably naive comment......do you think your couple of years " hard work " as you put it.....removing the trait........can overide the 100+ years it took to stamp the trait in their in the first place ? Well yes i do, never said anything about removing the trait, but i dont think that trait just causes a good dog to snap on its own Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j1985 1,984 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Mate have you owned a bull breed ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I know thats your opinion and all but me personally think despite the breeding or genes into a dog, enough hard work and you will get a good dog that just wont snap like you say, theres no reason regarding genes and breeding why a once playful pup just turns agressive, each to their own though That is an unbelievably naive comment......do you think your couple of years " hard work " as you put it.....removing the trait........can overide the 100+ years it took to stamp the trait in their in the first place ? Well yes i do, never said anything about removing the trait, but i dont think that trait just causes a good dog to snap on its own Its that trait that made the dog " a good dog " in the first place !......By removing it you are removing what the dog essentially is..........hence my belief that the further away you go from a dogs heritage the more problems you will have........but then im just an old purist i dont believe in crossing dogs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j1985 1,984 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 If you have a bull breed and put it in situations where it could end up in a fight then you are to blame if the dogs kicks off! Like letting it run loose down the local park alongside strange dogs, even if the other dog starts it its still your fault and not the other persons dog as you should have been in control of your dog knowing what you potentially have, That doesn't just go for bulls I'm like that with all my dogs... The majority of trouble Iv had or witnessed has been from Middle aged women walking labs or huskys off lead not people walking staffys etc as most of them my way seem to know what they have and keep them leashed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I know thats your opinion and all but me personally think despite the breeding or genes into a dog, enough hard work and you will get a good dog that just wont snap like you say, theres no reason regarding genes and breeding why a once playful pup just turns agressive, each to their own though That is an unbelievably naive comment......do you think your couple of years " hard work " as you put it.....removing the trait........can overide the 100+ years it took to stamp the trait in their in the first place ? Well yes i do, never said anything about removing the trait, but i dont think that trait just causes a good dog to snap on its own Its that trait that made the dog " a good dog " in the first place !......By removing it you are removing what the dog essentially is..........hence my belief that the further away you go from a dogs heritage the more problems you will have........but then im just an old purist i dont believe in crossing dogs. Well if people back in the day thought like that most of these breeds wouldn't exist in the first place! Just out of interest then, and I know it's a bit of a digression....but what are your thoughts on the humble lurcher? you don't agree with their very existence? not a pop, just curious about that way of thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 If you have a bull breed and put it in situations where it could end up in a fight then you are to blame if the dogs kicks off! Like letting it run loose down the local park alongside strange dogs, even if the other dog starts it its still your fault and not the other persons dog as you should have been in control of your dog knowing what you potentially have, That doesn't just go for bulls I'm like that with all my dogs... The majority of trouble Iv had or witnessed has been from Middle aged women walking labs or huskys off lead not people walking staffys etc as most of them my way seem to know what they have and keep them leashed. Yes mate ive got a staffy and when did i say anything about putting him in any situations? he doesnt get the chance to do anyting but i firmly believe that just because he is a bull breed he will not one day snap and want to fight anything that moves thats what i was getting at in my original post. I know thats your opinion and all but me personally think despite the breeding or genes into a dog, enough hard work and you will get a good dog that just wont snap like you say, theres no reason regarding genes and breeding why a once playful pup just turns agressive, each to their own though That is an unbelievably naive comment......do you think your couple of years " hard work " as you put it.....removing the trait........can overide the 100+ years it took to stamp the trait in their in the first place ? Well yes i do, never said anything about removing the trait, but i dont think that trait just causes a good dog to snap on its own Its that trait that made the dog " a good dog " in the first place !......By removing it you are removing what the dog essentially is..........hence my belief that the further away you go from a dogs heritage the more problems you will have........but then im just an old purist i dont believe in crossing dogs. Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. Its like springers they are naturally boisterous and giddy dogs, put them to work and this gene is what makes the dog, it will be a calmer dog than another springer from the same litter that is a housepet and doesnt get walked, is this just down to genes, no the owners have influenced the dogs. Im the same as you the saying of no bad dogs just bad owners is shite as genes do play a massive part, but it isnt the only thing that makes a dog act like they do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) And where did i say anything about removing the trait? There managing it then theres removing it which is impossible, i think youve got me down wrong mate, im not some gullable, deluded animal hugger, I agree as much as you do that there are bad dogs but what i dont agree on with you is that its mainly due to the genes. Owners influence plays a big part in the making of a good dog Edited July 17, 2013 by youcanthide...BANG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,925 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 And where did i say anything about removing the trait? There managing it then theres removing it which is impossible, i think youve got me down wrong mate, im not some gullable, deluded animal hugger, I agree as much as you do that there are bad dogs but what i dont agree on with you is that its mainly due to the genes. Owners influence plays a big part in the making of a good dog yes+ no, having been round bull breeds 50 years, its always in them to want to kick off for the slightest thing.You will never get that out of them, you bring them up with other dogs+train them from pups, we did with all our dogs.But it was always there, the prob is as been said there other breeds prob more up for a scrap than some bull breeds, and in most cases its just bit of pull fur, and few rips.In most cases most breeds will pack up after min or so, but not well bred bull breed they wont its in the genes as been said. Ive got a 1x gsd x grey pup soft as shit who is feckin massive strong as Ox, but even if he got nasty when older, still wouldnt be nothing like what a 40-50lb well bred bull terrier could be like.As gnash as said dont forget what on the other end of the lead 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j1985 1,984 Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 If you have a bull breed and put it in situations where it could end up in a fight then you are to blame if the dogs kicks off! Like letting it run loose down the local park alongside strange dogs, even if the other dog starts it its still your fault and not the other persons dog as you should have been in control of your dog knowing what you potentially have, That doesn't just go for bulls I'm like that with all my dogs... The majority of trouble Iv had or witnessed has been from Middle aged women walking labs or huskys off lead not people walking staffys etc as most of them my way seem to know what they have and keep them leashed. Yes mate ive got a staffy and when did i say anything about putting him in any situations? he doesnt get the chance to do anyting but i firmly believe that just because he is a bull breed he will not one day snap and want to fight anything that moves thats what i was getting at in my original post. I know thats your opinion and all but me personally think despite the breeding or genes into a dog, enough hard work and you will get a good dog that just wont snap like you say, theres no reason regarding genes and breeding why a once playful pup just turns agressive, each to their own though That is an unbelievably naive comment......do you think your couple of years " hard work " as you put it.....removing the trait........can overide the 100+ years it took to stamp the trait in their in the first place ? Well yes i do, never said anything about removing the trait, but i dont think that trait just causes a good dog to snap on its own Its that trait that made the dog " a good dog " in the first place !......By removing it you are removing what the dog essentially is..........hence my belief that the further away you go from a dogs heritage the more problems you will have........but then im just an old purist i dont believe in crossing dogs. Sorry mate but to say that how good a dog behaves is only down to genes and not owners influence you would be the naive one. Say a litter of pitbulls were given to two different people, one a dog trainer another a dog fighter. Fair enough because the trait is in the dogs in the first place they have this natural instinct, the dog trainer will manage this dog and accustom it to different things and tone down or occupy this trait, wheras the fighter will hone this dog to fight and be as aggressive to dogs as it can be, you cant simply say that because of there genes these two dogs are going to be bad dogs. Its like springers they are naturally boisterous and giddy dogs, put them to work and this gene is what makes the dog, it will be a calmer dog than another springer from the same litter that is a housepet and doesnt get walked, is this just down to genes, no the owners have influenced the dogs. Im the same as you the saying of no bad dogs just bad owners is shite as genes do play a massive part, but it isnt the only thing that makes a dog act like they do Why you getting worked up lol must be the heat!!! Relax..... : ) I never aimed that "situation" post at you either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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