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8 years ago today home grown terrorists donned their rucksacks and headed into London intent on martyrdom, the carnage that they caused killed 52 people and left 700 injured, Today is the 8th anniversary of that terrorist attack. Our government and mainstream media seems to be ignoring this anniversary :icon_eek: Nothing on the BBC this morning, although they did manage to air a program on how Muslim footballers are having an influence on the premier league. Today is also the mens Wimbledon final . A minutes silence perhaps :hmm: No not a mention :censored:

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Cookiemonsterandmerlin. This thread is not about you trying to prove some piffling point. It is to point out the glaring error by our "stable" government in omitting to remember an atrocity.   RIP t

get rid of half of them,cap the expenses,and demand they put britain and its people above anything else.After all i think thats what we intended from day one.stop living like kings and sending our mon

name me one current mp who served in the armed forces. Not including paddy ashdown. Name me one mp who lives on a council estate. Name we one mp who will not except the pay rise that goes against the

it dont suprise mate.countrys f****d all is lost.just look out for yourself and your loved ones is we all we can do, i have no repect for the police and absouletly no confidence in our so called leaders. there not a straw between them and the wannbe arseholes on BB or x factor. they just do it on a grander scale egotistical c**ts every last one of them.why should they care anyway,they dont travel on buses and there work place and homes are well protected,and we pick up the cost.

 

i used to think those headcases in america who take themselfs out of society and arm themselfs to the teeth,im rapidly rethinking my views on that one.

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Daily their are men and woman who stand in harms way in defence of the relm , while are forces armed and civil are being dismantled and scaled down , ARE MP 'S HAVE JUST. SANCTIONED A £50,000 PAY. RISE. !!!!!

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Despite what we all think of our country its in whole better place than most ,when have a stable goverment :thumbs:

 

Many tragic events happen and not sure we should remember ever one and at every major sporting event or reported on news channels .

 

What seems crazy is our media and people have more respect for celebrities than real people like minutes silents at football matches for former players etc rather then men and women fighting in the current conflicts .

 

Respect our armed forces but I feel it become a fashion statement for some not saying you Paulus to either support or say they are supporting help the heros ETC ETC .

 

All support is good if it benefits the service personnel and there familes :thumbs: .

 

Scot says he no respect for the police well on that day in london who do you think was trying there best to secure and make safe the situ the police .

 

Not ever copper or MP is bent we all get p off scot when the Antis think we all law breakers poaching etc etc .

 

Still all that we do need to remember the people and famlies from 7th of july

 

ATB Cookie

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Despite what we all think of our country its in whole better place than most ,when have a stable goverment :thumbs:

 

Many tragic events happen and not sure we should remember ever one and at every major sporting event or reported on news channels .

 

What seems crazy is our media and people have more respect for celebrities than real people like minutes silents at football matches for former players etc rather then men and women fighting in the current conflicts .

 

Respect our armed forces but I feel it become a fashion statement for some not saying you Paulus to either support or say they are supporting help the heros ETC ETC .

 

All support is good if it benefits the service personnel and there familes :thumbs: .

 

Scot says he no respect for the police well on that day in london who do you think was trying there best to secure and make safe the situ the police .

 

Not ever copper or MP is bent we all get p off scot when the Antis think we all law breakers poaching etc etc .

 

Still all that we do need to remember the people and famlies from 7th of july

 

ATB Cookie

name me one current mp who served in the armed forces. Not including paddy ashdown. Name me one mp who lives on a council estate. Name we one mp who will not except the pay rise that goes against the were all in it together. Name me one who has money left over from his expense account
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    John Baron (Conservative) - Captain Royal Regiment of Fusiliers 1984-87
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    Crispin Blunt (Conservative) - Army Officer 1979-90; Regimental duty 13th/18th Royal Hussars (QMO) in England,
    Germany and Cyprus
    Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative) - Commissioned, Scots Guards 1975;ADC to Major-General Sir John Acland,
    KCB, CBE; Commander of Commonwealth Monitoring Force in Zimbabwe 1979-81
    James Gray (Conservative) - Honourable Artillery Company (TA) 1978-84; Member, HAC Court of Assistants 2002-
    Adam Holloway (Conservative) - Commissioned, Grenadier Guards 1987-92
    Eric Joyce (Labour) - Private, Black Watch Regiment 1978-81;Officer 1987-99
    Alan Keen (Labour/Co-operative) - Army service (3 years)
    Mark Lancaster (Conservative) - Officer Royal Engineers 1988-90;Major Royal Engineers (TA) 1990-
    Rt Hon Michael Mateslb_icon1.png (Conservative) - Army service 1954-74:2nd Lieutenant RUR 1955;Queen's Dragoon Guards,
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    Patrick Mercer (Conservative) - Sherwood Foresters 1975-1999
    Andrew Mitchell (Conservative) - UN Peacekeeping Forces Cyprus: 1st Royal Tank Regiment (SSLC)
    Mike Penning (Conservative) - Soldier, Grenadier Guards 1974-80;RAMC 1980-81
    Andrew Robathan (Conservative) - Regular Army Officer, Coldstream Guards and SAS 1974-89;Rejoined Army for
    Gulf War January-April 1991
    Hugh Robertson (Conservative) - Army officer The Life Guards, serving in Northern Ireland, Gulf War and Bosnia 1985-
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    Hon Nicholas Soames (Conservative) - Lieutenant, 11th Hussars 1967-72
    Sir Peter Tapsell (Conservative) - Subaltern Army national service in Middle East 1948-50;Royal Sussex Regiment
    David Tredinnick (Conservative) - 2nd Lieutenant Grenadier Guards 1968-71
    Ben Wallace (Conservative) - Army officer, Scots Guards 1990-98:Service in Northern Ireland, Central America,
    Cyprus, Germany; Intelligence 1994-95
    Sir Nicholas Winterton (Conservative) - Commissioned army national service 14th/20th King's Hussars 1957-59

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    Rt Hon Jeffrey Donaldson (Democratic Unionist Partylb_icon1.png) - Ulster Defence Regiment 1980-85

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    Tony Baldry (Conservative) - TA Officer 1971-83; Honorary Colonel RLC(TA)
    Gregory Barker (Conservative) - TA (HAC)
    Julian Brazier, TD (Conservative) - TA 1972-82, 1989-92
    Derek Conway (Conservative) - Territorial Decoration (Territorial Army)
    Mark Francois (Conservative) - TA 1983-89, commissioned 1985
    Dominic Grieve (Conservative) - Territorial Army 1981-83
    Philip Hollobone (Conservative) - Soldier and paratrooper, Territorial Army 1987-95
    Ian Liddell-Grainger (Conservative) - Major Fusiliers TA
    Andrew Selous (Conservative) - TA officer Honourable Artillery Company, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers 1981-94
    Keith Simpson (Conservative) - Honorary Colonel Royal Military Police T.A.
    Desmond Swayne (Conservative) - Major, Territorial Army; also called up to Gulf War II (Major in TA) (June 2003)
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    Dr Richard Taylor (Independent) - Medical officer RAF 1961-64
    Peter Viggers (Conservative) - National service RAF pilot 1956-58;Territorial Army Officer 1962-67
    Robert Wareing (Labour) - RAF 1948-50

    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve (2)
    Ben Chapman (Labour) - Pilot Officer, RAFVR 1959-61
    Gerald Howarth (Conservative) - Commissioned RAFVR 1968

    University Air Squadron (1)
    Tim Yeo (Conservative) - Cambridge University Air Squadron 1964-67

    Royal Navy (2)
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    Richard Ottaway (Conservative) - Royal Navy Officer 1961-70

    Royal Naval Reserve (2)
    Dr Julian Lewis (Conservative) - Seaman, Royal Naval Reserve 1979-82
    Dr Andrew Murrison (Conservative) - Surgeon Commander Royal Navy 1981-2000; called up as Royal Navy Reservist
    (Medic) to Gulf War II in September 2003. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/...re/3100374.stm

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A stable goverment im glad you think so;. shower of corrupt greedy whores every last one of them, do they actually ever help there constituents,or is more the case they have to hold those surgeries,but just go through the motions.

 

as for the cops,well ive said lots of times on here,it would be a sorry place without them,but that dont mean to say ihave to respect them. however they live here aswell,and prob see the bullshit and unjustices more than we do.the top cops and the ordinary bobby should speak up more,if enough of them did so the goverment wouldnt be so keen to shit all over us,and make us feel like second class citizens in our country.

they cant sack and smear all the cops if the spoke up. im pretty sure the feel exactly the same as a lot of us do.well there in a position where there voice would be taken seriously and make the goverment look like the f***ing idiots they are.

oh and yes,they did a good job on 7/7 but thats exactly what it was,there job! im sure a lot of the public helped aswell,and did brave things that day.its just a natural reaction.you would need to be a pretty cold fish not to help in that kind of situation.

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A stable goverment im glad you think so;. shower of corrupt greedy whores every last one of them, do they actually ever help there constituents,or is more the case they have to hold those surgeries,but just go through the motions.

 

as for the cops,well ive said lots of times on here,it would be a sorry place without them,but that dont mean to say ihave to respect them. however they live here aswell,and prob see the bullshit and unjustices more than we do.the top cops and the ordinary bobby should speak up more,if enough of them did so the goverment wouldnt be so keen to shit all over us,and make us feel like second class citizens in our country.

they cant sack and smear all the cops if the spoke up. im pretty sure the feel exactly the same as a lot of us do.well there in a position where there voice would be taken seriously and make the goverment look like the f*****g idiots they are.

oh and yes,they did a good job on 7/7 but thats exactly what it was,there job! im sure a lot of the public helped aswell,and did brave things that day.its just a natural reaction.you would need to be a pretty cold fish not to help in that kind of situation.

So what the answer to it all

Just a question would love to here how you would fix the problems :thumbs: of the corrupt greedy whores ,I have seen MPs sort local issues though surgeries so its not all pointless .

Cookie

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get rid of half of them,cap the expenses,and demand they put britain and its people above anything else.After all i think thats what we intended from day one.stop living like kings and sending our money to countries that clearly dont like us.when there appeals on tv asking for 2quid a month to help feed british kids,then clearly something is seriously wrong. 3million quid on biscuits for westminister lol pay rises when everyone else is taking hits losing there jobs and cant get work. get your own house in order before sending money which does not belong to you to help starving africans and indians,but let our kids go to bed with empty bellies or rely on food banks and charities.f**k they send our soldiers to fight in pointless wars and cant even give them them equipment to minimise the risk.

soldiers buying there own gear from army surplus stores. what is the yanks called the british soldiers. "The borrowers" and you think they are worth there status and salary.

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Fair enough :thumbs:

 

But cutting half of the MPs caping there expenses will not even cover a fraction of your wish list .

 

This is the thing we are all armchair MPs we see all see black and white when in fact the issues with politics is that it is a huge beast to get under control .

 

Making the books work is a headache even for the brightest of minds ,

 

Nobody really know if there capable of being a better MP than what we got I can be sure alot of THL member would be more honest to start out with but I bet a fair percentage would soon turn into milking the gravy train of MPs expenses .

 

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I saw some of that programme muslim premier league, what a pile of liberal bullshit it makes me want to puke that the BBC would choose to put that on the day of an anniversary such as today 7/7. Its an superb example of the establishment trying to brainwash the population of this country into forgetting events which arent basically good for buisness. All they want from us is to shut up pay our taxes and spend money on bullshit products we dont need. Football is another example of it they want you to turn up sing jolly politically correct songs buy shit from the club shop and then f**k off home in silence.

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  • Army (20)

    John Baron (Conservative) - Captain Royal Regiment of Fusiliers 1984-87

    Richard Benyon (Conservative) - Army 1980-85

    Crispin Blunt (Conservative) - Army Officer 1979-90; Regimental duty 13th/18th Royal Hussars (QMO) in England,

    Germany and Cyprus

    Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative) - Commissioned, Scots Guards 1975;ADC to Major-General Sir John Acland,

    KCB, CBE; Commander of Commonwealth Monitoring Force in Zimbabwe 1979-81

    James Gray (Conservative) - Honourable Artillery Company (TA) 1978-84; Member, HAC Court of Assistants 2002-

    Adam Holloway (Conservative) - Commissioned, Grenadier Guards 1987-92

    Eric Joyce (Labour) - Private, Black Watch Regiment 1978-81;Officer 1987-99

    Alan Keen (Labour/Co-operative) - Army service (3 years)

    Mark Lancaster (Conservative) - Officer Royal Engineers 1988-90;Major Royal Engineers (TA) 1990-

    Rt Hon Michael Mates[/size]lb_icon1.png (Conservative) - Army service 1954-74:2nd Lieutenant RUR 1955;Queen's Dragoon Guards,

    RAC 1961, Major 1967, Lieutenant-Colonel 1973, Resigned commission 1974

    Patrick Mercer (Conservative) - Sherwood Foresters 1975-1999

    Andrew Mitchell (Conservative) - UN Peacekeeping Forces Cyprus: 1st Royal Tank Regiment (SSLC)

    Mike Penning (Conservative) - Soldier, Grenadier Guards 1974-80;RAMC 1980-81

    Andrew Robathan (Conservative) - Regular Army Officer, Coldstream Guards and SAS 1974-89;Rejoined Army for

    Gulf War January-April 1991

    Hugh Robertson (Conservative) - Army officer The Life Guards, serving in Northern Ireland, Gulf War and Bosnia 1985-

    95

    Hon Nicholas Soames (Conservative) - Lieutenant, 11th Hussars 1967-72

    Sir Peter Tapsell (Conservative) - Subaltern Army national service in Middle East 1948-50;Royal Sussex Regiment

    David Tredinnick (Conservative) - 2nd Lieutenant Grenadier Guards 1968-71

    Ben Wallace (Conservative) - Army officer, Scots Guards 1990-98:Service in Northern Ireland, Central America,

    Cyprus, Germany; Intelligence 1994-95

    Sir Nicholas Winterton (Conservative) - Commissioned army national service 14th/20th King's Hussars 1957-59

    Ulster Defence Regiment (1)

    Rt Hon Jeffrey Donaldson (Democratic Unionist Party[/size]lb_icon1.png) - Ulster Defence Regiment 1980-85

    Territorial Army (12)

    Tony Baldry (Conservative) - TA Officer 1971-83; Honorary Colonel RLC(TA)

    Gregory Barker (Conservative) - TA (HAC)

    Julian Brazier, TD (Conservative) - TA 1972-82, 1989-92

    Derek Conway (Conservative) - Territorial Decoration (Territorial Army)

    Mark Francois (Conservative) - TA 1983-89, commissioned 1985

    Dominic Grieve (Conservative) - Territorial Army 1981-83

    Philip Hollobone (Conservative) - Soldier and paratrooper, Territorial Army 1987-95

    Ian Liddell-Grainger (Conservative) - Major Fusiliers TA

    Andrew Selous (Conservative) - TA officer Honourable Artillery Company, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers 1981-94

    Keith Simpson (Conservative) - Honorary Colonel Royal Military Police T.A.

    Desmond Swayne (Conservative) - Major, Territorial Army; also called up to Gulf War II (Major in TA) (June 2003)http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3004920.stm

    Peter Viggers (Conservative) - National service RAF pilot 1956-58;Territorial Army Officer 1962-67

    Royal Air Force (7)

    Joe Benton (Labour) - RAF national service 1955-57

    Colin Challen (Labour) - RAF 1971-74

    John Smith (Labour) - RAF 1967-71

    Dr Bob Spink (Conservative) - RAF 1964-66 (invalided)

    Dr Richard Taylor (Independent) - Medical officer RAF 1961-64

    Peter Viggers (Conservative) - National service RAF pilot 1956-58;Territorial Army Officer 1962-67

    Robert Wareing (Labour) - RAF 1948-50

    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve (2)

    Ben Chapman (Labour) - Pilot Officer, RAFVR 1959-61

    Gerald Howarth (Conservative) - Commissioned RAFVR 1968

    University Air Squadron (1)

    Tim Yeo (Conservative) - Cambridge University Air Squadron 1964-67

    Royal Navy (2)

    Dr Andrew Murrison (Conservative) - Surgeon Commander Royal Navy 1981-2000; called up as Royal Navy Reservist

    (Medic) to Gulf War II in September 2003. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/...re/3100374.stm

    Richard Ottaway (Conservative) - Royal Navy Officer 1961-70

    Royal Naval Reserve (2)

    Dr Julian Lewis (Conservative) - Seaman, Royal Naval Reserve 1979-82

    Dr Andrew Murrison (Conservative) - Surgeon Commander Royal Navy 1981-2000; called up as Royal Navy Reservist

    (Medic) to Gulf War II in September 2003. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/...re/3100374.stm

    Foreign Armed Services (1)

    Dr Rudi Vis (Labour) - Dutch armed services 1960-64

    Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Fellowships)

    Rt Hon John Reid (Labour) - Fellow Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme

    Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Army)

    Dai Havard (Labour) - Member Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme (Army) 2002

    Stephen O'Brien (Conservative) - Armed Forces Parliamentary

. Well besides all them what have they done for us fook all. Lol and i know joe benton walked right into that one lol Edited by gonetoearth
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