Country Joe 1,411 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) Tried a blind set this morning at 7 am ran two 5ft stop nets and one of Bills 5ft Trammels. There were a few Rabbits out, and could have had a few, if id a mature dog with me pushing them in, but I just had Jack 16 wks. When i got to the nets a few were running up and down, and not going in, as i expected. But three did go in, but not into the Trammel, must be the pink colour will have a go with it again. When i got to the net and saw the three struggling rabbits I unleashed Jack, and he was right in there grabbing one, then moving on to the others, which had been quickly despatched. As this was the first live rabbits he has been close to, It was good to see how keen he was, Had the camera with me and could have had some shots, but I forgot to charge the batteries. Edited July 1, 2013 by Country Joe 4 Quote Link to post
Matt 160 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Why would you let your young dog rag live rabbits in a net? To me, netted rabbits are 'verboten' to the mutts..... no need for it at all, it just results in bruised and screaming bunnies and damage to the nets. If a dog has an instinct to hunt rabbits, then it has the instinct. No need to encourage grabbing netted rabbits IMHO. Quote Link to post
The one 8,530 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Why would rabbits no go into the trammel because its pink rabbits are colour blind. Bpr has a pink net and he should be catching with that Quote Link to post
Country Joe 1,411 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 The dog was only on the Rabbit for a few mins, I despatched them as quick as i could, when he moved to the others they were dead. I have always made sure that i despatch all game quickly. And you are right when pushing rabbits into a net, I wouldn't expect the dog to act this way, but it was a pup and first time it had been close. Ive been netting and running dogs for 45 years, so I have a rough idea what im doing. 1 there was no screaming rabbits. 2 There was no net damage. I could have worded it better, saying he moved on to the dead Rabbits. The rabbits were for the Ferrets Quote Link to post
Country Joe 1,411 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) Why would rabbits no go into the trammel because its pink rabbits are colour blind. Bpr has a pink net and he should be catching with that It was meant to be a joke. did you not see the smiling face Edited July 1, 2013 by Country Joe Quote Link to post
Matt 160 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 The dog was only on the Rabbit for a few mins, I despatched them as quick as i could, when he moved to the others they were dead. I have always made sure that i despatch all game quickly. And you are right when pushing rabbits into a net, I wouldn't expect the dog to act this way, but it was a pup and first time it had been close. Ive been netting and running dogs for 45 years, so I have a rough idea what im doing. 1 there was no screaming rabbits. 2 There was no net damage. I could have worded it better, saying he moved on to the dead Rabbits. The rabbits were for the Ferrets Joe, I'm in no doubt that you know what you are doing; I think you've misunderstood me a little. The comment about damaged nets and screaming rabbits was a general point: I remember going out with someone with a dog that he claimed was trained for longnetting once. It was a collie, and basically coursed a rabbit straight into the net where it proceeded in demolishing both bunny and net to great effect Watching some of the films that have been made of daytime ferreting and longnetting it seems to be the in thing to let your dog grab netted rabbits and rag them. Personally, I prefer a dog to respect the net and not touch captured rabbits. If it was me, training a young dog and introducing it to the nets I'd be tempted to keep it on the lead and discourage grabbing the rabbits, be they dead or alive. But then that is my personal opinion, and I realise others may do things differently. As Tiercel often says, one of the things that makes longnetting so interesting is the fact that different people have adapted different methods of doing the same thing Quote Link to post
fitchet 788 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Fair play mate its nice to get a dog out early and we all bring them on in different ways. All the best. Quote Link to post
Country Joe 1,411 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 My reason for going out was two fold to try out Bills Trammel and to get some Rabbit for the ferts, I wasn't even going to take the pup with me, but decided to bring him along. He won't be back out till he is a lot older. When part of his training will be pushing rabbits into the net, daytime only. didn't mean for my post to be offensive, and yes I have known for a long time that Rabbits are colour blind. Quote Link to post
Tiercel 6,986 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) Good work Joe, personally I have never left a dog touch a rabbit in the net, however, if the rabbit gets out of the net then it is fair game. The idea to get a dog pushing the rabbits into a net is a good one, but what frequently happens, even with dogs that do not touch a rabbit in a net, is the dog chases the rabbit into the net, rabbit hits the net dog jumps over the net. The dog is now in front of the rabbit and the rabbit backs out of the net to get away from the dog. If the dog had stopped on the entry side of the net the rabbit would be pushing into the net. How you get a dog to do that when it is in full stride, I have not a clue, The last GWP I had would do it when bushing with short nets as when the rabbit hit the net and stopped he would just come on point. No training involved. TC Edited July 1, 2013 by tiercel 2 Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) Nice post Country Joe,.. As an aside,..some dogs have tremendous prey drive,.they are determined to secure their prize and will give every run their fullest attention...Truth is, it is their amazing need to, come to terms, with their prey that makes them the animals they are...These types are obviously harder to school, than those of a less relentless attitude,..it can be done, but its a battle.... It is also difficult to keep track of lurchers when you have a team of dogs working along a massive length of hedgerow or standing on top of a hundred holer,...the action can sometimes be fast and furious and jealousy twixt the jukels can cause an otherwise stand backer, to become a mad crazy net tangler... However, as most would agree, dogs and nets make for a heady mix,...best to keep em' well apart... All the best, Phil. Edited July 1, 2013 by Phil Lloyd 6 Quote Link to post
smithie 2,444 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 you got out and the dog knows hes to get rabbits, as far as i can see its a win win... the mutt started his education Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Nothing wrong in allowing a young dog to grab a dead rabbit in the net ... Just imagine its the dogs first time out as has been stated it sees this fluffy thing in the net goes over to investigate and is stopped .... What is the pup meant to think ??? Can I chase and grab these things or not ??? Far better to allow a youngster on its first few days out to grab as many rabbits as he wants whether in the nets or not ... Once the pup is confident and has started wedding to the game it can then be steadied up and schooled in the art of netted rabbits ....... First time out ........ Sixth time out after some schooling ...... SIMPLES REALY .................. 1 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Once they have sussed it its easy :D ............. 2 Quote Link to post
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