Field Vs Fen

[DazAllison1 556]

 

 

 

Field and open ground is just the way of it in here in Ayrshire but I would love to give the fens a go

A say when my pup out this litters up and running we take it and your Lucas pup and go down give it a bash Tommy, might be abit of an eye opener for us field running Ayrshire lads

the fields in ayrshire are huge to some of them we have round about the centrel belt and the bard wire fence walls with 3 strands of bard wire on them as some one says the dogs adapt to where they run anyway they days are gone with the ban

Some are ok a suppose but nothing any where near fen size, some decent land up stirling flats

[Whiskey 28]

 

 

Hares no different any were its the dogs !

interesting point whiskey..could you explain please..

lol hares are my heroin am in detox now started rabbit lamping and ferreting with my oldes but I have killed hares with all sorts off cross and coursed hares with a verity of crosses and all over the county a fen dog salukie typ would struggle with a long slip on a patch work quilt of small paddocks and a faster myby smaller dog with a good slip on the fens would soon lose charge as the hare is less pressured with more space to put its ears back not to say one better than the uther but better at there jobs my two saluki whippet greyhounds murder hare there getting on now but there not as good on fen and big fields as the purpose bred dogs but I never seen a hare better than a nother any were were there fit and worked they are the masters of there game a test off any dog on any ground with the exception of what there eating ffs I haven written this much since school lol

[snoopdog 1,256]

you make a good point whiskey ..not sure i agree but i cant argue the point either ..me personally i think hares vary quite lot.. i too have run a few longs ears field and fen. sheep fields where they have be harrassed day in day out by local kids lamping them running them daytime with 3 and 4 dogs..educated hares you might say ..also same down the road..i have what some might call a fen dog ..but what was brought up when young in these postage stamp fields same as all my dogs .if any of my dogs cant do it in them fields then they wont get took down the road..because i really do think the hares down there are better ..maybe its got somthing to do with the diet ..the terrain less obsticals for them to make mistakes on ..ect ect ..i can see your point different for different running..i suppose folk can argue this point all day..a good hare is a good hare..i just think a good hare in small fields is easier caught then a good hare in big fields...

[salukixgrey 779]

you make a good point whiskey ..not sure i agree but i cant argue the point either ..me personally i think hares vary quite lot.. i too have run a few longs ears field and fen. sheep fields where they have be harrassed day in day out by local kids lamping them running them daytime with 3 and 4 dogs..educated hares you might say ..also same down the road..i have what some might call a fen dog ..but what was brought up when young in these postage stamp fields same as all my dogs .if any of my dogs cant do it in them fields then they wont get took down the road..because i really do think the hares down there are better ..maybe its got somthing to do with the diet ..the terrain less obsticals for them to make mistakes on ..ect ect ..i can see your point different for different running..i suppose folk can argue this point all day..a good hare is a good hare..i just think a good hare in small fields is easier caught then a good hare in big fields...

i agree with most of that snoop except i think a good hare in a small field can be very difficult, say it wants to get in hedge and dog boxing it off one mistake bye bye, and they can be very tricky in smaller fields especially in winter make the dog loose abit of ground and drop down for nearest cover and usually abit or them to head for. i think it dont just take a fast dog to kill hares consistant in winter on small land they gotta be boxy as well and there very hard to find.

[snoopdog 1,256]

i am going to whitter on a bit more.lol.. and i think most folk will agree whos has run a few long ears that when that hare leaps out of its seat ..or gets put out of cover ect ect. that hare has a plan A.it knows exsactly where it wants to go..what we need our dog to do is stop this hare going where it wants to go.basicly stop it getting to plan A...because most hares dont seem to have a plan B.on the big land the hare has more time to try and out think..and gets to use all its athlectisum to try and out run twist and turn useing it fitness and speed against the dog to gain a yard or two to get to plan A..where on small land if the hare is presurred from getting to plan A they tend to make mistakes and get disorantated easier..there for making them a bit easier to catch..even walking through sheep fields small fields you see runs where the hares uses paths regulary..maybe a small gap under a sheep fence or whatever if they dont get to that gap they then start to make mistakes early on in the run ..just my opinion.

[salukixgrey 779]

i am going to whitter on a bit more.lol.. and i think most folk will agree whos has run a few long ears that when that hare leaps out of its seat ..or gets put out of cover ect ect. that hare has a plan A.it knows exsactly where it wants to go..what we need our dog to do is stop this hare going where it wants to go.basicly stop it getting to plan A...because most hares dont seem to have a plan B.on the big land the hare has more time to try and out think..and gets to use all its athlectisum to try and out run twist and turn useing it fitness and speed against the dog to gain a yard or two to get to plan A..where on small land if the hare is presurred from getting to plan A they tend to make mistakes and get disorantated easier..there for making them a bit easier to catch..even walking through sheep fields small fields you see runs where the hares uses paths regulary..maybe a small gap under a sheep fence or whatever if they dont get to that gap they then start to make mistakes early on in the run ..just my opinion.

i agree but still dont think there a push over

[fitchet 788]

i am going to whitter on a bit more.lol.. and i think most folk will agree whos has run a few long ears that when that hare leaps out of its seat ..or gets put out of cover ect ect. that hare has a plan A.it knows exsactly where it wants to go..what we need our dog to do is stop this hare going where it wants to go.basicly stop it getting to plan A...because most hares dont seem to have a plan B.on the big land the hare has more time to try and out think..and gets to use all its athlectisum to try and out run twist and turn useing it fitness and speed against the dog to gain a yard or two to get to plan A..where on small land if the hare is presurred from getting to plan A they tend to make mistakes and get disorantated easier..there for making them a bit easier to catch..even walking through sheep fields small fields you see runs where the hares uses paths regulary..maybe a small gap under a sheep fence or whatever if they dont get to that gap they then start to make mistakes early on in the run ..just my opinion.

I agree with that good post mate,

 

Atb

[snoopdog 1,256]

salukixgrey..i certainly wasnt saying they where a push over mate..no good hare is a push over wether it be on big or small land ..just not quite as good,,

[C Hall 552]

Bit off subject here but has anyone seen hares jump? I have seen them jump quite high stone walls

[salukixgrey 779]

salukixgrey..i certainly wasnt saying they where a push over mate..no good hare is a push over wether it be on big or small land ..just not quite as good,,

like i said mate totally agree, no matter where you are you will allways find that special one that got a,b and c up there sleeve, even the greats have met them and missed then. it wouldnt be a sport if you killed every hare you run.

[fitchet 788]

I find smallish fields more of a pain than bigger clearer land mostly because if the dog enters one of the small spinneys dotted about all over the place it can often end the day there likey to push deer out and the dog i have here suffers from "buck fever " which can be a pain at times, thats if they dont get shredded by barbed wire ,...

[DazAllison1 556]

Barb wire is a c**t I always insist on making sure pups are sound jumpers before staring out working

[fitchet 788]

Bit off subject here but has anyone seen hares jump? I have seen them jump quite high stone walls

Theres a field near me that has abit of bog running through the middle. Ive seen hares long jump it wheres it 5/6 ft in places. Seen them jump 3 ft fencing effortlessly aswell. Atb

[Whiskey 28]

you make a good point whiskey ..not sure i agree but i cant argue the point either ..me personally i think hares vary quite lot.. i too have run a few longs ears field and fen. sheep fields where they have be harrassed day in day out by local kids lamping them running them daytime with 3 and 4 dogs..educated hares you might say ..also same down the road..i have what some might call a fen dog ..but what was brought up when young in these postage stamp fields same as all my dogs .if any of my dogs cant do it in them fields then they wont get took down the road..because i really do think the hares down there are better ..maybe its got somthing to do with the diet ..the terrain less obsticals for them to make mistakes on ..ect ect ..i can see your point different for different running..i suppose folk can argue this point all day..a good hare is a good hare..i just think a good hare in small fields is easier caught then a good hare in big fields...

lol my writing is baba fella al make it simpler take the hare out the little field and put it on the fen it will run just as good as the fen hare lol if that makes sence and like you said yor dog was brought up on small fields fucc this could go on for ever lol hope ya all get what I meen if I wanted to catch hares with a dog I could do it any were coursing a hare different kettle off fish

[Whiskey 28]

 

Bit off subject here but has anyone seen hares jump? I have seen them jump quite high stone walls

Theres a field near me that has abit of bog running through the middle. Ive seen hares long jump it wheres it 5/6 ft in places. Seen them jump 3 ft fencing effortlessly aswell. Atb

seen one swim a river they will fecking go for lol with a lurcher up there ass lol