Jagdxfells

[Mosby 355]

I was reading on another thread where people were wondering about the fell crossed to a jagd. I have done this breeding many times. It is the breeding I have stuck to for 8 years to produce a few good dogs. I would say that if I had to do all over again I would have maintained the fells I had as more of a fell type. There were breedings I should have done that I didn't do and some that took everything in the wrong direction. But overall, I'd say the fell jagd cross first generation are better in many ways for my hunting than either breed. I have by no means done anything scientific to come to my conclusions but these are my conclusions from 10 years and working regularly with many dogs. Somewhere upward of 60- total that I hunted with enough times to know what was really going on with the dogs.

 

Fells have a much more controlled temperament, biddable as some would say. They are hardier and can take more damage and heal faster and almost never get sick. Their obedience and will to please has been far and above the jagds. Though I've had a few jagds that were very easy, and own one now that is very biddable bred by Jawn on here. Before seeing jagds from the imported breedings by Jawn, I'd had said fells had more hardness as well. Now the hardest terrier I've ever seen is a jagd bitch. I have seen 3 now related to the group that Jawn has had pass through his hands and I'd say as a group they were not harder than the hard fells I've seen. Though some individuals are incredibly hard. Though admittedly these are by far not the best dogs that Jawn has produced. I really would love to see some of the really great ones work.

 

So upsides of the fell - biddable, calm, hardy, healthy

Upsides of the jagd - Nose, voice, drive (overall as a breed, higher than fells or any terrier breed)

Downsides of the jagd - very poor constitution in my experience. Sick much more often than any other dogs I've ever had, heal slower and breeding them can be a pain, lots of false pregnancies and heats almost never. Also hard headed in comparison to fells, though once gotten used to, not so hard to work with. It takes more time to train one and discipline and one can never let up on that discipline or they'll take matters into their own hands.

Now, having seen dogs bred to be hard, I'd say the jagds can easily equal the fells I have seen, but I have not seen many fells truly bred just to be hard. I've never seen an extremely hard fell. But have seen an (single)hard jagd.

 

The cross in my opinion, brings all the best traits of each breed together. But really only a pup or two in a litter will have that perfect mix. The rest act like one or the other parent. But all get that hardiness of the fell and the voice of the jagd. Both traits seem to pass very well.

 

The cross has healthy dogs with good voice, excellent obedience better range than a fell and better focus than most jagds I've seen. But the majority of pups in a cross are not well balanced dogs like this and have been culled. What my friends and I had hoped would be a good program just came down to a few dogs that reall could not be duplicated. Whereas people who were breeding one or the other type were getting good dogs at better rates for specific jobs.

 

Here are a few pictures of dogs from my yard. Most had several seasons to show what they were made of. Only a small handful proved they had the stuff. My friends breeding just fells or just jagds were having better luck.

[Mosby 355]

Kratos jagd/fell

 

Magua Jagd/fell

[Mosby 355]

Elli, pure jagd bitch caught and dispatched this fox in the briars, excellent nose now deceased

Half sisters Chocolate dog is half and half, black is pure jagd Elli

[Mosby 355]

Size was not an issue from either type of dog. I had half and halfs that were 10 pounds. I gave away a few that were really the best of the bunch. I kick myself everyday I wake up for not still having a few of these... But you live and learn. Any size dog will work here, one of our best was 32 pounds! He drowned while working a coon. We had a few die this way one year, very nice ones. But not my dogs so no pictures to put up. Very fine animals.

 

So to summarize,

I'd say the crosses are the best overall dogs I've seen but rare to have a great one. But best for the jobs they're bred specifically for would be the pures. Though a few of the crosses would fit the bill for any terriers job.

[pitdawg913 27]

Nice info.... Can you expand on what you define as "hard"? I would guess everyone has a different definition of a truly "hard" terrier. I have zero experience with jagds but often think about getting one, to be honest from your review I'm not sure they sound that appealing, not sure I care for a dog with voice, the stubbornness sounds annoying, BUT their nose sounds amazing. Guess I will have to find out one day for myself. I picture a jagd more like a hound with the grittiness of a terrier and some of the places I hunt that could be useful. I've always heard good things about the jagd x's.

[Mosby 355]

Some say they're easier than hounds but i'd say they're much more hard headed in my experience. Like I said, they're not very hard to work with when you have abit of experience under the belt but when I was just starting in dogs I had a hell of a time.

Hardness in my opinion is a dog that will take any amount of punishment from the game and not back up from it, yelp or bay or let go for the sake to stop taking punishment. It never bays. If your dog bays at all, that's not hard in my opinion, that's a mixer or bay dog.

[antsa 40]

1 of my pups from fellxjagd this time, 7 pups, 5 jagd colouring, 2 red, all confident pups, only time will tell if they make the grade, both sire and dam working all quarry to ground so its down to luck now

 

[hunt crazy 38]

I was reading on another thread where people were wondering about the fell crossed to a jagd. I have done this breeding many times. It is the breeding I have stuck to for 8 years to produce a few good dogs. I would say that if I had to do all over again I would have maintained the fells I had as more of a fell type. There were breedings I should have done that I didn't do and some that took everything in the wrong direction. But overall, I'd say the fell jagd cross first generation are better in many ways for my hunting than either breed. I have by no means done anything scientific to come to my conclusions but these are my conclusions from 10 years and working regularly with many dogs. Somewhere upward of 60- total that I hunted with enough times to know what was really going on with the dogs.

 

Fells have a much more controlled temperament, biddable as some would say. They are hardier and can take more damage and heal faster and almost never get sick. Their obedience and will to please has been far and above the jagds. Though I've had a few jagds that were very easy, and own one now that is very biddable bred by Jawn on here. Before seeing jagds from the imported breedings by Jawn, I'd had said fells had more hardness as well. Now the hardest terrier I've ever seen is a jagd bitch. I have seen 3 now related to the group that Jawn has had pass through his hands and I'd say as a group they were not harder than the hard fells I've seen. Though some individuals are incredibly hard. Though admittedly these are by far not the best dogs that Jawn has produced. I really would love to see some of the really great ones work.

 

So upsides of the fell - biddable, calm, hardy, healthy

Upsides of the jagd - Nose, voice, drive (overall as a breed, higher than fells or any terrier breed)

Downsides of the jagd - very poor constitution in my experience. Sick much more often than any other dogs I've ever had, heal slower and breeding them can be a pain, lots of false pregnancies and heats almost never. Also hard headed in comparison to fells, though once gotten used to, not so hard to work with. It takes more time to train one and discipline and one can never let up on that discipline or they'll take matters into their own hands.

Now, having seen dogs bred to be hard, I'd say the jagds can easily equal the fells I have seen, but I have not seen many fells truly bred just to be hard. I've never seen an extremely hard fell. But have seen an (single)hard jagd.

 

The cross in my opinion, brings all the best traits of each breed together. But really only a pup or two in a litter will have that perfect mix. The rest act like one or the other parent. But all get that hardiness of the fell and the voice of the jagd. Both traits seem to pass very well.

 

The cross has healthy dogs with good voice, excellent obedience better range than a fell and better focus than most jagds I've seen. But the majority of pups in a cross are not well balanced dogs like this and have been culled. What my friends and I had hoped would be a good program just came down to a few dogs that reall could not be duplicated. Whereas people who were breeding one or the other type were getting good dogs at better rates for specific jobs.

 

Here are a few pictures of dogs from my yard. Most had several seasons to show what they were made of. Only a small handful proved they had the stuff. My friends breeding just fells or just jagds were having better luck.

[hunt crazy 38]

Wat way do you x your fell jagds is it fell dog over jagd bitchs or the other way around or does matter cheers

[hunt crazy 38]

Wat way do you x your fell jagds is it fell dog over jagd bitchs or the other way around or does matter cheers

[jawn 449]

Great pictures Mosby. Did you end up with Sammy?

 

With most jagds you have to get their attention and keep it when they are pups. Otherwise they will just do what their DNA tells them to and ignore you until feed time. Most hunters think they want the hardest dogs... but soon learn it gets expensive going to the vet after every hunt. Even moderately hard terriers can cost a sheet ton of money... and can't be hunted very often.

 

For the people that need them nothing else will do... But for most it's unnecessary.

 

@Pitdawg913.... Most people that breed a litter of jagds do so with the hope that they will be open trailers. Once you start relying on voice... it's hard to hunt a dog without it.

[Cleanspade 3,324]

Nice info.... Can you expand on what you define as "hard"? I would guess everyone has a different definition of a truly "hard" terrier. I have zero experience with jagds but often think about getting one, to be honest from your review I'm not sure they sound that appealing, not sure I care for a dog with voice, the stubbornness sounds annoying, BUT their nose sounds amazing. Guess I will have to find out one day for myself. I picture a jagd more like a hound with the grittiness of a terrier and some of the places I hunt that could be useful. I've always heard good things about the jagd x's.

i find it very hard to believe that anyone would not want a dog with a voice. what if your locating system chucks it. a dog that cant sound would be useless without modern technology. as far as i'm concerned its a major fault if a dogs mute. maybe i'm just traditional. (an old fart)

 

interesting post. what lines are your fells down from.

[Mosby 355]

I wish I ended up with Sammy Jay. I really like that pup.

Kind of along the lines of what Jay was saying, they sound like a pain, unless you need the qualities only the jagd has. I really like a good jagd. A great jagd can't really be beat by another type of terrier. But there are so many ifferent types of jagds. Hog hunting ones, bird flushing ones, earth dog, water dog. The list I'm sure goes on. Great dogs though but you've got to dominate them. They need to know who's boss.

 

I've only ever done male jagd, female fell. That's all I had access to. Wanted to do a breeding to a fell dog to a jagd bitch but it fell through. Those two dogs would have been the most successful cross I think, but all well.

 

Also, on the note of hardness. I am still deciding what level of hardness I really like. One major MAJOR bonus, is that game never makes it to water with a hard dog with a little weight in it's ass. But my dogs that bay or mix it up often end up in the water... and many die that way.

[Mosby 355]

Antsa,

I hope your cross works. I'm sure I'll try it again, but I'd really like to have established dogs of each type that do the job and reproduce their own type. Not gonna mix and match again until the dogs aren't distinguishable from the beginning.

[jagd.lad 31]

ive got a 4 year old jagd bitch imported her from hungary when she was 3 year old and shes a hardy little bitch and prity obediant as been since i got her but im getting another but from a pup this time get her at end of july do you have any advice on bringing a jagd on as you said in your experiance there hard work and head strong. thanks