Hunting Bop With Bop And The Law ?

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

What would happen if your Game hawk/falcon was out flying a Crow/Magpie etc etc and a Buzzard got in the way..Would your big BOP be able to finish off the buzzard..and would you them be in trouble with the LAW ?

If it happened by accident would you be liable ?

 

I seem to remember reading in a very old book about hunting red/black kites and buzzards with Peregrines ? Where does the law stand these days on this ?

falconers have got to follow the general licence aswell and it's your responsibility to make sure nothing like that happens so yes you would be liable as the buzzards arent on the license. its just like keeping eagles for fox hunting with hounds its wrong, there only seen as a loophole and not used as theres supposed to just like what your suggesting.

How is it wrong ? It's keeping within the law as we are all supposed too ....

 

dont get me wrong i would love to see fox hunting with hounds made legal again as much as the next bloke but the fact is the eagle is being bought to be used as a loophole, its obvious nobody will release an eagle on to a fox with a pack of hounds out with it, just dangerous and massively stupid for both the eagle and the dogs. i bet they arent trained to fly or hunt, just to sit nice and get the hunt out of trouble when an accident occurs. then there are some hunts who just plain take the piss, saw a video on youtube where a hunt had a harris hawk to exploit the loop hole, what a load of bollocks nobody will honestly believe a harris can take a fox but due to the loophole i could in theory take a kestrel on a hunt and make it perfectly legal for a fox to be hunted with a pack, its people owning them for the wrong reasons, as bad as the five minute falconer chavs who buy a hawk to look good but knowing full well they wont ever be able to do any good by it

 

but on a brighter note, all of the birds i have seen at hunts have been well cared for, more than can be said for a lot of bop up and down the country, yes it may be a loophole but so what, loopholes are used everyday in this country some for far more dangerous things than foxhunting, this country should have an apprentice scheme similar to that over in the states

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

 

 

 

 

What would happen if your Game hawk/falcon was out flying a Crow/Magpie etc etc and a Buzzard got in the way..Would your big BOP be able to finish off the buzzard..and would you them be in trouble with the LAW ?

If it happened by accident would you be liable ?

 

I seem to remember reading in a very old book about hunting red/black kites and buzzards with Peregrines ? Where does the law stand these days on this ?

falconers have got to follow the general licence aswell and it's your responsibility to make sure nothing like that happens so yes you would be liable as the buzzards arent on the license. its just like keeping eagles for fox hunting with hounds its wrong, there only seen as a loophole and not used as theres supposed to just like what your suggesting.

How is it wrong ? It's keeping within the law as we are all supposed too ....

 

dont get me wrong i would love to see fox hunting with hounds made legal again as much as the next bloke but the fact is the eagle is being bought to be used as a loophole, its obvious nobody will release an eagle on to a fox with a pack of hounds out with it, just dangerous and massively stupid for both the eagle and the dogs. i bet they arent trained to fly or hunt, just to sit nice and get the hunt out of trouble when an accident occurs. then there are some hunts who just plain take the piss, saw a video on youtube where a hunt had a harris hawk to exploit the loop hole, what a load of bollocks nobody will honestly believe a harris can take a fox but due to the loophole i could in theory take a kestrel on a hunt and make it perfectly legal for a fox to be hunted with a pack, its people owning them for the wrong reasons, as bad as the five minute falconer chavs who buy a hawk to look good but knowing full well they wont ever be able to do any good by it

 

but on a brighter note, all of the birds i have seen at hunts have been well cared for, more than can be said for a lot of bop up and down the country, yes it may be a loophole but so what, loopholes are used everyday in this country some for far more dangerous things than foxhunting, this country should have an apprentice scheme similar to that over in the states

 

not disputing there not cared for but can you honestly say they are given the time they deserve, they will be taken out for the day then put back as the bloke who has carried 10lb+ around all day will be too tired to take it out hunting. yes many loopholes are more dangerous than this but are they at the expensive of a bird of prey that is your responsibility to make sure it is used appropriately

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

 

 

What would happen if your Game hawk/falcon was out flying a Crow/Magpie etc etc and a Buzzard got in the way..Would your big BOP be able to finish off the buzzard..and would you them be in trouble with the LAW ?

If it happened by accident would you be liable ?

 

I seem to remember reading in a very old book about hunting red/black kites and buzzards with Peregrines ? Where does the law stand these days on this ?

falconers have got to follow the general licence aswell and it's your responsibility to make sure nothing like that happens so yes you would be liable as the buzzards arent on the license. its just like keeping eagles for fox hunting with hounds its wrong, there only seen as a loophole and not used as theres supposed to just like what your suggesting.

How is it wrong ? It's keeping within the law as we are all supposed too ....

 

dont get me wrong i would love to see fox hunting with hounds made legal again as much as the next bloke but the fact is the eagle is being bought to be used as a loophole, its obvious nobody will release an eagle on to a fox with a pack of hounds out with it, just dangerous and massively stupid for both the eagle and the dogs. i bet they arent trained to fly or hunt, just to sit nice and get the hunt out of trouble when an accident occurs. then there are some hunts who just plain take the piss, saw a video on youtube where a hunt had a harris hawk to exploit the loop hole, what a load of bollocks nobody will honestly believe a harris can take a fox but due to the loophole i could in theory take a kestrel on a hunt and make it perfectly legal for a fox to be hunted with a pack, its people owning them for the wrong reasons, as bad as the five minute falconer chavs who buy a hawk to look good but knowing full well they wont ever be able to do any good by it

 

but on a brighter note, all of the birds i have seen at hunts have been well cared for, more than can be said for a lot of bop up and down the country, yes it may be a loophole but so what, loopholes are used everyday in this country some for far more dangerous things than foxhunting, this country should have an apprentice scheme similar to that over in the states

 

not disputing there not cared for but can you honestly say they are given the time they deserve, they will be taken out for the day then put back as the bloke who has carried 10lb+ around all day will be too tired to take it out hunting. yes many loopholes are more dangerous than this but are they at the expensive of a bird of prey that is your responsibility to make sure it is used appropriately

 

i would be more worried about the thousands of hawks and falcons that are sold each year to any tom,dick or harry to make a few quid to be honest. the birds ive seen at hunts have there own falconer who`s sole duty is the care of the bird, how many bop do you think are tethered in peoples back gardens doing cock all but looking hard across the country and thats is if there lucky

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

 

 

 

 

 

 

What would happen if your Game hawk/falcon was out flying a Crow/Magpie etc etc and a Buzzard got in the way..Would your big BOP be able to finish off the buzzard..and would you them be in trouble with the LAW ?

If it happened by accident would you be liable ?

 

I seem to remember reading in a very old book about hunting red/black kites and buzzards with Peregrines ? Where does the law stand these days on this ?

falconers have got to follow the general licence aswell and it's your responsibility to make sure nothing like that happens so yes you would be liable as the buzzards arent on the license. its just like keeping eagles for fox hunting with hounds its wrong, there only seen as a loophole and not used as theres supposed to just like what your suggesting.

How is it wrong ? It's keeping within the law as we are all supposed too ....

 

dont get me wrong i would love to see fox hunting with hounds made legal again as much as the next bloke but the fact is the eagle is being bought to be used as a loophole, its obvious nobody will release an eagle on to a fox with a pack of hounds out with it, just dangerous and massively stupid for both the eagle and the dogs. i bet they arent trained to fly or hunt, just to sit nice and get the hunt out of trouble when an accident occurs. then there are some hunts who just plain take the piss, saw a video on youtube where a hunt had a harris hawk to exploit the loop hole, what a load of bollocks nobody will honestly believe a harris can take a fox but due to the loophole i could in theory take a kestrel on a hunt and make it perfectly legal for a fox to be hunted with a pack, its people owning them for the wrong reasons, as bad as the five minute falconer chavs who buy a hawk to look good but knowing full well they wont ever be able to do any good by it

 

but on a brighter note, all of the birds i have seen at hunts have been well cared for, more than can be said for a lot of bop up and down the country, yes it may be a loophole but so what, loopholes are used everyday in this country some for far more dangerous things than foxhunting, this country should have an apprentice scheme similar to that over in the states

 

not disputing there not cared for but can you honestly say they are given the time they deserve, they will be taken out for the day then put back as the bloke who has carried 10lb+ around all day will be too tired to take it out hunting. yes many loopholes are more dangerous than this but are they at the expensive of a bird of prey that is your responsibility to make sure it is used appropriately

 

i would be more worried about the thousands of hawks and falcons that are sold each year to any tom,dick or harry to make a few quid to be honest. the birds ive seen at hunts have there own falconer who`s sole duty is the care of the bird, how many bop do you think are tethered in peoples back gardens doing cock all but looking hard across the country and thats is if there lucky

 

fair point bud, still dont think it should be happening but what can i do about it? no good moaning about it

[Guest vin]

I get what you say Paulus...It would make perfect sense for anyone keeping a BOP to take some sort of test and hold license. . . You need one for a shotgun.

[paulus 26]

I get what you say Paulus...It would make perfect sense for anyone keeping a BOP to take some sort of test and hold license. . . You need one for a shotgun.

it would make as much if not more sense to licence the breeders, ive seen young harris hawks near enough given away to make room for the next clutch Once i went to a place to pick up a common buzzard that was no longer wanted. you would not believe the conditions it was kept in. i had to cut the leash off the ring as it was covered in mutes and couldnt be undone, another tale only this time a male redtail kept in a 6 x 3 shed. every primary and tail feather smashed to bits. the worrying part is neither owner could see a problem with how these birds were being kept. to quote a bloke i dislike intensely education,education, education

[arcticgun 4,548]

Its the holier than thou attitude of the breeders that is too blame, they happy enough to take peoples money but rarely ask the right questions before offering the birds out, they are the ones that profit from the current shoddy market place, but then sit in judgement of anyone who takes up the sport, for me unless you prepared to mentor and support you should not be allowed to breed there should also be quota's allowed to fulfil needs only with regards to breeding, too many never see the light of day and just sit in chambers and breed yet more surplus gear some sort of scheme needs fetching into place

[Guest vin]

Its the holier than thou attitude of the breeders that is too blame, they happy enough to take peoples money but rarely ask the right questions before offering the birds out, they are the ones that profit from the current shoddy market place, but then sit in judgement of anyone who takes up the sport, for me unless you prepared to mentor and support you should not be allowed to breed there should also be quota's allowed to fulfil needs only with regards to breeding, too many never see the light of day and just sit in chambers and breed yet more surplus gear some sort of scheme needs fetching into place

 

spot on Arctic..theres a fella not far from me who breeds large Falcons for the middle eastern market etc etc .... makes far too much money from what i have heard..he used to breed parrots before BOP.. And he has supplied a good few people in my area with birds which are now being bred and sold..most of them have never even had a seasons hunting or even been flown..?

 

I must admit that seeing your bird and reading a few of your posts is what has opened up my eyes to the Birds again after a good few years of avoiding them .

 

I've seen the Harris's and Goss's and Peregrines...but I would like to see a bit more of how you are doing it.. Falcon/dog/hare that looks like a very exciting way to hunt..

[youcanthide...BANG 1,051]

 

Its the holier than thou attitude of the breeders that is too blame, they happy enough to take peoples money but rarely ask the right questions before offering the birds out, they are the ones that profit from the current shoddy market place, but then sit in judgement of anyone who takes up the sport, for me unless you prepared to mentor and support you should not be allowed to breed there should also be quota's allowed to fulfil needs only with regards to breeding, too many never see the light of day and just sit in chambers and breed yet more surplus gear some sort of scheme needs fetching into place

 

spot on Arctic..theres a fella not far from me who breeds large Falcons for the middle eastern market etc etc .... makes far too much money from what i have heard..he used to breed parrots before BOP.. And he has supplied a good few people in my area with birds which are now being bred and sold..most of them have never even had a seasons hunting or even been flown..?

 

I must admit that seeing your bird and reading a few of your posts is what has opened up my eyes to the Birds again after a good few years of avoiding them .

 

I've seen the Harris's and Goss's and Peregrines...but I would like to see a bit more of how you are doing it.. Falcon/dog/hare that looks like a very exciting way to hunt..

 

it is alot different to most peoples idea of falconry, it does look a good crack wouldnt mind seeing it done myself one day

[paulus 26]

 

Its the holier than thou attitude of the breeders that is too blame, they happy enough to take peoples money but rarely ask the right questions before offering the birds out, they are the ones that profit from the current shoddy market place, but then sit in judgement of anyone who takes up the sport, for me unless you prepared to mentor and support you should not be allowed to breed there should also be quota's allowed to fulfil needs only with regards to breeding, too many never see the light of day and just sit in chambers and breed yet more surplus gear some sort of scheme needs fetching into place

 

spot on Arctic..theres a fella not far from me who breeds large Falcons for the middle eastern market etc etc .... makes far too much money from what i have heard..he used to breed parrots before BOP.. And he has supplied a good few people in my area with birds which are now being bred and sold..most of them have never even had a seasons hunting or even been flown..?

 

I must admit that seeing your bird and reading a few of your posts is what has opened up my eyes to the Birds again after a good few years of avoiding them .

 

I've seen the Harris's and Goss's and Peregrines...but I would like to see a bit more of how you are doing it.. Falcon/dog/hare that looks like a very exciting way to hunt..

 

Garlands???

[CrowHawker 227]

I breed birds I do not sell them cheap some of my birds do stay in very big clean pens all my breeding birds are flown and proven before being bred and only sell to falconers who have experience or a mentor that I meet first hand. And i do charge alot i put the work in!does that make me a bad un?

[arcticgun 4,548]

I breed birds I do not sell them cheap some of my birds do stay in very big clean pens all my breeding birds are flown and proven before being bred and only sell to falconers who have experience or a mentor that I meet first hand. And i do charge alot i put the work in!does that make me a bad un?

No mate that all fair do, you hunt and fly your birds for a living, so your exactly the sort lads should be going too, the lad I bought from is the same, small but quality set up, does not do it for mass profit, just to produce quality working birds at a given price, I would rather pay the extra and use someone like yourself to be honest, than pay cheaper for something that's never seen fresh air.