Born Hunter 17,798 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Surprised at some of the comments on here. If you see a lorry joining the motorway and lane two is empty, isn't it common sense and courtesy to move over and let them out? The same goes for a lorry coming up behind another slow moving vehicle; you should be able to spot what is coming long before needing to hit the brakes! A driver shouldn't have to in this instance as that's what indicators are meant for. The Lorry driver should also be reading the road with his side mirrors and if he has to pull out due to momentum and all that bollocks but sees a car coming he should indicate in plenty of time. Not just chuck his truck into the adjacent lane 30 yards in front of a car with a 30mph speed difference! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Westy76 546 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Surprised at some of the comments on here. If you see a lorry joining the motorway and lane two is empty, isn't it common sense and courtesy to move over and let them out? The same goes for a lorry coming up behind another slow moving vehicle; you should be able to spot what is coming long before needing to hit the brakes! A driver shouldn't have to in this instance as that's what indicators are meant for. The Lorry driver should also be reading the road with his side mirrors and if he has to pull out due to momentum and all that bollocks but sees a car coming he should indicate in plenty of time. Not just chuck his truck into the adjacent lane 30 yards in front of a car with a 30mph speed difference! Drivers don't chuck wagons into lanes!!! At 50mph he's near flat out when he indicates to come on from a slip road he's telling you not asking....sounds arrogant doesn't it but if he loaded at 44 ton to slow down and wait its even worse and no need for it!!!As car drivers of smaller faster and better stopping distances you should've giving wagons as much room as they need to carry on momentum it's all in the Highway Code and theory tests also bloody common sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Totally agree Westy. I can't remember when I last saw a truck not indicate... They always give plenty of warning, and if you've got your eyes open you can see what is coming. I know that some lorry drivers have a bit of a habit of bullying other road users, but when out on the open road there is no excuse for car drivers who fly up behind them and slam their brakes on. When I did an advanced driver course one of the things I had to do was drive down the M4 without using my brakes at all. It makes you suddenly become more aware of what is going on around you and start to anticipate things going on ahead of you. One thing that annoys me when I'm towing is the lack of appreciation of the fact that it takes much longer to accelerate and decelerate than it does in a car. Car drivers seem to think that they have more right to the road than anyone else and a little bit of courtesy goes a long way.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Westy76 546 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I've got to agree with some of the above posts; in general, HGV drivers do a great job, and providing you treat them with respect on the roads they reciprocate. The problem is car drivers. They treat anyone who is driving anything slower than them as a nuisance. Yesterday, I was towing the trailer back from Exmoor, up the M5 and than A303. I was rolling along nicely; sticking to just above the speed limit of 60mph on the dual carriageways and 50mph on the single carriageways. The idiots that overtook me ignoring double white lines and cutting in front of me forcing me to brake were at each roundabout just in front of me. It always amazes me that so many people are willing to take a chance and risk their lives just to travel an extra mile or two an hour. I've a feeling CB was excluded from the law regarding mobiles; but I'm happy to be proved wrong. I've got one in the van as the mobile signal is shite in some of the areas I work in and the farmers all still use it around here. It's got me out of trouble a few times, and breaks up the boredom of a journey when there's shite on the wireless. Ever wondered why you're sat in a two mile queue on the motorway? Ask the truckers flying past on the opposite carriageway and they usually know the answer........ The biggest issue we have is that others on the roads just don't know are speed limits and that all the big firms wagons are tracked and flag you up on screen if your speeding,single carriageway max is 40mph,dual carriageway is 50mph and motorway is 56mph and that is max limit as all the trucks are limited to 56 but some are limited as low as 50 for lower insurance rates.I think you can still be done for using the mike but coppers discretion and the cb is great for traffic issues. Still annoying though isn't it? I bet a lorry that can do 56mph on a motorway gets f****d off if they get stuck doing 50mph, or behind some old divvy dragging a caravan so why is it wrong for a car driver to get annoyed and wanting to get round a lorry they have trailed for miles doing 2/3 of the speed limit? If a HGV driver can get annoyed at cyclists and horses then isn't it hypocritical to not appreciate a lot of car drivers feel the same about HGV's? My half-brother is a HGV driver since he got injured in the forces so I am not having a go at drivers, I get more annoyed at cyclists and horses around here and don't see many lorries at all any more. But I am off to Norfolk tomorrow and I know somewhere along the way, guaranteed, a HGV driver will pull out in front of me just before I am side-on to it when there will be nothing behind me and he could have waited two seconds. They just click the indicator on and pull out, at least most other drivers wait for a gap. I'm guessing your in a car when you want tom pass...? Infact you sound to me like youve never driven anything bigger.....or anything with a heavy trailer. Its all about momentum. An HGV builds up speed and it needs to pull out, once it loses that speed it takes a while to build back up. I'm sure the lorries are getting better everyyear and more torque but if your in a car its nothing to slow down, drop a gear and your away again. Different story in an HGV or a fully loaded trailer..... Only thing that pisses me off is when you see 2 lorries side by side for a long period off time.....to me thats bad driving on the guy overtaking cause he hasnt judged it correctly and the guy in the inside wont let of the gas cause he knows it will f**k him up. Not driven anything bigger or heavier than a moving van full of stuff, but I am not a thick c**t I understand the physics of the situation Just saying it's not really a surprise when car drivers get annoyed, nor when a HGV driver gets pissed off at people not letting them pull out on slip roads. I can sympathise with the plight of the lorry driver, but I will still vow to eat their children every time I have to slam my brakes on after they pull out in front of me on the motorway, it's just a bit gay really isn't it? Slow up then!!! if your having to anchor up unexpectedly your not reading the road right,you have the ability to pull round trucks and get up some speed,a fully freighted truck hasn't. If you are going 70mph and a lorry doing 50mph pulls out 30 yards ahead of you, you are going to have to brake pretty sharp. Again, I am not challenging the laws of physics and the workings of the internal combustion engine, I am just pointing out that regardless of the reason it is still bloody annoying. A virus makes you ill so it can spread and continue to survive, but that doesn't make it less annoying to get the flu. You drivers just have lower moral standards on the road, most people only kill the ugly prostitutes but you people just can't help yourself. You are ruining natural selection. Your still in the wrong here,very few slip roads are 30yrds long these days and when approaching one you should already be spacially aware around you and have plan a,b,c ready to go as you don't know what's coming on with you but I can assure you you would've had far more notice than that you may not think so but I can assure you you had.Expect the unexpected and drive defensive and read the road you'll be fine and you won't find yourself in this situation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Westy76 546 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Totally agree Westy. I can't remember when I last saw a truck not indicate... They always give plenty of warning, and if you've got your eyes open you can see what is coming. I know that some lorry drivers have a bit of a habit of bullying other road users, but when out on the open road there is no excuse for car drivers who fly up behind them and slam their brakes on. When I did an advanced driver course one of the things I had to do was drive down the M4 without using my brakes at all. It makes you suddenly become more aware of what is going on around you and start to anticipate things going on ahead of you. One thing that annoys me when I'm towing is the lack of appreciation of the fact that it takes much longer to accelerate and decelerate than it does in a car. Car drivers seem to think that they have more right to the road than anyone else and a little bit of courtesy goes a long way.... Try driving a fully loaded artic from Newcastle to Southampton with no clutch in it you can't stop!!! LolPlease bear in mind we are constantly working against the clock,delivery times,reload times,tacho laws,working time directive and being tracked in the office until you have done the job you'll have no concept at all,you may experience 1 lorry that pisses you off on your journey we deal with 1000's of fucktard car drivers every day......who has the worse deal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Look its going round and round and round cars v trucks , it should be easy if you are a good car driver and truck driver, read the road conditions and car drivers please remember this you are smaller, faster, so just think how many times you make mistakes? Now think of the truck fully loaded? Bigger slower and harder to drive, that now said do truckers make mistakes????? Of course they do but do they mean it???? No its just not easy out there with faster smaller things flying out thinking they are lewis bloody hamilton, look, think, and make the right decision Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Daily star today. Two cyclists killed by 32 ton truck on the A30 in cornwall driver arrested then later released on bail.. I can see this getting people mad again but without knowing the facts.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,819 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 About 20 miles from me, returning to Scotland after doing a John O'Groats Lands End charity ride.. On the local telly news, bikes totalled. Driver arrested and bailed WHICH IS STANDARD PRACTICE when something like this happens. Tragic whatever happened but I bet the cyclists were not doing anything illegal Hope the driver wasn't Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
day worker 296 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Before i jacked in the driving i used this road on a daily basis and if i had a pound for the times i nearly wiped a cyclist out i would have a fair stack of cash! Why a cyclist would want to ride on this road is beyond me! But when they ride 2 abreast in 70mph traffic they are just aking for trouble! I know the law states they are alowed on there but it just isn't safe! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,819 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Before i jacked in the driving i used this road on a daily basis and if i had a pound for the times i nearly wiped a cyclist out i would have a fair stack of cash! Why a cyclist would want to ride on this road is beyond me! But when they ride 2 abreast in 70mph traffic they are just aking for trouble! I know the law states they are alowed on there but it just isn't safe! Know what you mean mate, I cycle quite a bit but never on the feckin A30 If I ever did I'd be visi-vested and inside the nearside roadline Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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