First Cross Wrong Way

[rob284 1,682]

Depends on the dominance of the gene - as to which will show, which is why some families ( humans, dogs, horses, whatever ) can sometimes have that "look" about them, and you know they are related. Non-dominant genes can only show up in the appearance of the animal if the pup inherits the non-dominant gene from both parents. If it gets 1 or 2 dominant genes, it will always show. You only have to look at some of Queen Victoria's kids to see the family resemblance shows through very clearly - lots of dominant genes.

dominant and recessive alleles play a role but its like when you look like your parent but your sibling looks like your other parent. This is because i asked if i could select a pup once theyre older, but apparently theyre booked the day theyre born, so its a guess how they turn out.

[Chid 6,509]

 

Depends on the dominance of the gene - as to which will show, which is why some families ( humans, dogs, horses, whatever ) can sometimes have that "look" about them, and you know they are related. Non-dominant genes can only show up in the appearance of the animal if the pup inherits the non-dominant gene from both parents. If it gets 1 or 2 dominant genes, it will always show. You only have to look at some of Queen Victoria's kids to see the family resemblance shows through very clearly - lots of dominant genes.

dominant and recessive alleles play a role but its like when you look like your parent but your sibling looks like your other parent. This is because i asked if i could select a pup once theyre older, but apparently theyre booked the day theyre born, so its a guess how they turn out.

 

even looking at an 8 week old pup its a guess how they would turn out ...

[wild rover 548]

Looking at the pups in a litter at an early age you can generally tell the lighter boned smaller skulled, longer in the back will mainly throw the more greyhound shape, I have used this as a guide when picking cattle dog pups, and have selected the heavier boned, shorter coupled ones, they seem to throw more cattle dog then greyhound, they also seem to have the greater prey drive.

[LaraCroft 863]

 

Depends on the dominance of the gene - as to which will show, which is why some families ( humans, dogs, horses, whatever ) can sometimes have that "look" about them, and you know they are related. Non-dominant genes can only show up in the appearance of the animal if the pup inherits the non-dominant gene from both parents. If it gets 1 or 2 dominant genes, it will always show. You only have to look at some of Queen Victoria's kids to see the family resemblance shows through very clearly - lots of dominant genes.

dominant and recessive alleles play a role but its like when you look like your parent but your sibling looks like your other parent. This is because i asked if i could select a pup once theyre older, but apparently theyre booked the day theyre born, so its a guess how they turn out.

 

Yep - in the first few days they all look like labs anyway ! Interesting point though - by the time they are likely to be old enough to have a true idea of what the adult shape is going to be ( assuming you can be that accurate ) then a lot of the formative weeks for behaviour may have gone. IMHO that is where some breeders end up with some negative opinions - pups still with Mum in kennels at 12 weeks + and they miss out on socialising and learning to follow a pack, and learning to learn - it always seems harder to deal with an unsocialised older pup.

[paulsmithy83 567]

First crosses are even littered mate, cross them again and that will change, but the first cross is even

That very rong indeed that bitch I put up is from litter of 7 not 1 is equal to other. I seem 3 run all hav diff style and diff speeds and diff builds. So I think he got it rong.

[rob284 1,682]

 

First crosses are even littered mate, cross them again and that will change, but the first cross is even

That very rong indeed that bitch I put up is from litter of 7 not 1 is equal to other. I seem 3 run all hav diff style and diff speeds and diff builds. So I think he got it rong.

thats what i think.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

 

First crosses are even littered mate, cross them again and that will change, but the first cross is even

That very rong indeed that bitch I put up is from litter of 7 not 1 is equal to other. I seem 3 run all hav diff style and diff speeds and diff builds. So I think he got it rong.

 

 

a lot would depend on the purity of both parents. but you will get diversity even in purebred litters. and between sexes.

even in a nice level litter of greyhounds . just a thought to keep this topic moving

[bigdaz 688]

 

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

 

You've got to laugh, what is he now a puppy peddlar of thirty years, but he knows feck all, you can't have it both ways, the man has more knowledge of dog breeding than most whether you agree with his practices or not. Studied biology or thirty years of hands on experience, I know who I would listen to.

[lurcher330 2,297]

1st x pups can come in all shapes and sizes,I once bred a litter of 1st cross wheaten/greyhounds from a greyhound dam,some pups where short and very wheaten looking and some made over 25 ,26 " but they all had rough wheaten coloured coat,,,

 

and like Bird has said most 1st xs are bred from greyhound dams because they are easily got,

 

not many farmers are gona let you mate a greyhound to their working collie bitch .

Edited June 22, 2013 by lurcher330

[jeemes 4,480]

 

Depends on the dominance of the gene - as to which will show, which is why some families ( humans, dogs, horses, whatever ) can sometimes have that "look" about them, and you know they are related. Non-dominant genes can only show up in the appearance of the animal if the pup inherits the non-dominant gene from both parents. If it gets 1 or 2 dominant genes, it will always show. You only have to look at some of Queen Victoria's kids to see the family resemblance shows through very clearly - lots of dominant genes.

dominant and recessive alleles play a role but its like when you look like your parent but your sibling looks like your other parent. This is because i asked if i could select a pup once theyre older, but apparently theyre booked the day theyre born, so its a guess how they turn out.

 

It must have changed because Hancock used to put whole litters down when they hadnt sold and had got too expencive to keep.

[jeemes 4,480]

he's only been breeding them for thirty years. what does he know

He knows how to make a living from selling dogs.

[echo 24]

from what i know.If the mother is the collie.Like the pic on the earlier post.The pups can be a bit uneven.But if the bitch is a greyhound and the sire the collie.The pups are very similar in shape and build.

[jeemes 4,480]

 

 

 

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

I see your point but he has no reason to lie. He has been doing it for 30 years. I would take experience over a few science lessons any day.

All he has done is cross two breeds together for thirty years. Hancock is a farmer....chickens,dogs its all the same.

I don't disagree.

 

But I bet a chicken farmer could produce a better chicken than you or me.

 

Speak for yourself mate. Im no chicken.