First Cross Wrong Way

[rob284 1,682]

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

[paulsmithy83 567]

Collie dam grey sire

Bitch is fast but look like a tank

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

I see your point but he has no reason to lie. He has been doing it for 30 years. I would take experience over a few science lessons any day.

[rob284 1,682]

 

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

I see your point but he has no reason to lie. He has been doing it for 30 years. I would take experience over a few science lessons any day.

 

i know what you mean but i though pups can throw differently? so is all that wrong?

[sikastag_1 689]

First crosses are even littered mate, cross them again and that will change, but the first cross is even

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

not so sure...

i remember seeing some of hancocks early border collie first crosses and they were badly shaped..not saying they wouldnt catch just saying they looked more like reverse 3/4 breds very collie shaped.

the last 12 yrs or more his stock looks better and better.

is this down to a different collie lined used?

[jeemes 4,480]

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

All pups are 50% of each parient. But genes split into two parts during the conception but reform in the egg. So if say you had three genes on each side (parents) and they divide so you have 6 on each side, but then they join each other to make 3 again. They rejoin randomly which is why they can represent one parent more than the other.

[jeemes 4,480]

 

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

I see your point but he has no reason to lie. He has been doing it for 30 years. I would take experience over a few science lessons any day.

 

All he has done is cross two breeds together for thirty years. Hancock is a farmer....chickens,dogs its all the same.

[forest of dean redneck 11,565]

Collie dam grey sire

Bitch is fast but look like a tank

If that's the dog Im thinking of,its filled out bit since last summer.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

anyone got any dogs or photos of a first cross that has took more to the non sighthound breed (really not racey). i was speaking to hancock, and apparently if you breed grey to collie its always 50/50 split of genes and they all come out same build. im sure this is bullshit because a litter can take different characteristics of different parents. ive studied biology and im sure im right. i disagreed and hancock went onto say 'i beg to differ they're like peas in a pod, ive been doing this for 30 years...'

I see your point but he has no reason to lie. He has been doing it for 30 years. I would take experience over a few science lessons any day.

All he has done is cross two breeds together for thirty years. Hancock is a farmer....chickens,dogs its all the same.

I don't disagree.

 

But I bet a chicken farmer could produce a better chicken than you or me.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

he's only been breeding them for thirty years. what does he know

[the big chief 3,099]

a lad i know had a collie x gh 1st x and that tuk more to the collie side

[LaraCroft 863]

Depends on the dominance of the gene - as to which will show, which is why some families ( humans, dogs, horses, whatever ) can sometimes have that "look" about them, and you know they are related. Non-dominant genes can only show up in the appearance of the animal if the pup inherits the non-dominant gene from both parents. If it gets 1 or 2 dominant genes, it will always show. You only have to look at some of Queen Victoria's kids to see the family resemblance shows through very clearly - lots of dominant genes.

[bird 9,872]

i think the reason hancock uses the greyound bitch , is its the availabity of the greyhound bitches to him. He does the 3/8 collie x grey 5/8 grey sometimes, but norm he alot more 1x colliex greys for the above reason

[nasher1 258]

I used to think using a sighthound dam to a smaller ie. terrier sire would produce taller animals, rather than using the terrier or smaller dog as the dam, it doesn't make the slightest difference.