keeganrees 196 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 excellent topic .. me and friend vistied dales and although we thought our dogs where fit how wrong could we be ... mine was young and didnt want to do to much to soon .. but the done us proud and made for a unforgetable trip... sure it will be done again in future this time done with fitter dogs Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Simo, I aint knockin you nor your dog but I seriously doubt that your dog is as fit as you think it is. I havent read any of the replies really but your dog may surprise you if you took it up there often and just kept building it up a lil bit at a time. I aint sayin it will ever get as fit as Tomo's dog cuz I dont know either dogs but you cant get a dog running "fit" by exercising it along a road with your bike or walkin it or whatever. You can do all that til you are blue in the face but the dog wont be in shape like it will be when you take it hunting and run it over and over and over again. I road my dogs all the time and I try to keep them very tough all year round but they dont really get in shape til after about 6 weeks or so of hunting. First couple weeks they get kinda in shape but the next month is when they start gettin tough. If you dont hunt here with me all the time and bring your dog here it will not be able to handle it. Now if you left it here for a couple months you'd be surprised at how tough some dogs can get. Then again some just fold it up and quit but that aint nobody's fault but the dogs. how many runs in a day on yotes Dan , would you say your stags do.? Meaning say the stags , in the motor for good time, before you sight a yote .Then its all hell brake loose out of the motor lol. Iknow youve said some runs can go on for a mile or so , and going at full speed they got good stamina to do that. just wonder thats all mate, as here prob some of the lads rabbiting dogs prob have lots of runs quick in prob 4-5 hours , just differnt types of running mate.? 0-6 runs. We road them though even the days we are out huntin. If hounds aint down on the ground I usually let my dogs out of the truck and let them run along side or whatever. If the hounds are down and hunting though I want them in the back of the truck and ready. Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Just wondered if stamina is an important ingredient in your rabbiting dog's? I'm not talking about hare dogs, just bunnies. Personally i'm lucky if my dogs run a dozen in a night before i'm off home, we just don't have big numbers on my permission but when I visited the Dales with Tomo I was in awe of the vast numbers and I can say without a hint of embarrassment that i called it quits for my tyke whilst Tomos bitch was still filling the game bag. I have no doubt the spirit was willing but I knew he just didn't have the stamina and i'm not going to injure my dog for the sake of a few more runs. If I was running an area like the dales or other rabbit infested areas I would put stamina high of the list of desired attributes but as I rarely venture into such lagamorph ridden nirvana's it has never been as issue. alf a mile away this point is reached h Does stamina play a role in your desired rabbiting dogs genetic make up? And I mean physical stamina, not mental stamina which I think is very different. not an answer to your question but mental stamina without physical stamina is a recipe for disaster is that not where the handler should step in, like simoman said " I have no doubt the spirit was willing but I knew he just didn't have the stamina and i'm not going to injure my dog for the sake of a few more runs." but what if this point is reached half a mile away from you ? Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 must say interesting read this....... Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 socks the same way she new there was one in there in the first place, the same way she would crown the old hob on a kill, sometimes 20 yards into a field 3ft down, the same way she new i was on my way home from work even though i worked 20 mile away. hearing is but one sense The reason she knew there was one in there is because the warren smelt of rabbits ...The reason she knew the hob had killed out in the field is because she could hear it mate .... The dog doesn't walk around over the warren smelling through the ground to locate the rabbit ... It does it through listening ........... Quote Link to post
Desmond 480 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Simo, I aint knockin you nor your dog but I seriously doubt that your dog is as fit as you think it is. I havent read any of the replies really but your dog may surprise you if you took it up there often and just kept building it up a lil bit at a time. I aint sayin it will ever get as fit as Tomo's dog cuz I dont know either dogs but you cant get a dog running "fit" by exercising it along a road with your bike or walkin it or whatever. You can do all that til you are blue in the face but the dog wont be in shape like it will be when you take it hunting and run it over and over and over again. I road my dogs all the time and I try to keep them very tough all year round but they dont really get in shape til after about 6 weeks or so of hunting. First couple weeks they get kinda in shape but the next month is when they start gettin tough. If you dont hunt here with me all the time and bring your dog here it will not be able to handle it. Now if you left it here for a couple months you'd be surprised at how tough some dogs can get. Then again some just fold it up and quit but that aint nobody's fault but the dogs. dan that bikini girls lot fitter than my dogs at mo Apache looks like rick woller Quote Link to post
storm323 191 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Good topic I think it's a case of fitness more than stamina if your not doing it regular enough you don't take dogs that have been left in the kennel for months on end and go and catch 20/30 rabbits with it you have to but the miles in and build them up.i believe the ferreting lurcher relies on its ears more for bolters but maybe paulus should be up for trail to see if he's up for the moderators job haha 2 Quote Link to post
Desmond 480 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Reading this thread will automatically credit you with an honours degree in the science of catching rabbits :laugh: 1 Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 socks the same way she new there was one in there in the first place, the same way she would crown the old hob on a kill, sometimes 20 yards into a field 3ft down, the same way she new i was on my way home from work even though i worked 20 mile away. hearing is but one sense The reason she knew there was one in there is because the warren smelt of rabbits ...The reason she knew the hob had killed out in the field is because she could hear it mate .... The dog doesn't walk around over the warren smelling through the ground to locate the rabbit ... It does it through listening ........... what about terriers what try holes ,............they ignore most of them on big places and then always enter the one and find straight away........surely must be the same for lurchers? ( when there marking big warrens ) I personally think its a combination of sound and smell Quote Link to post
jf1970 328 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Just wondered if stamina is an important ingredient in your rabbiting dog's? I'm not talking about hare dogs, just bunnies. Personally i'm lucky if my dogs run a dozen in a night before i'm off home, we just don't have big numbers on my permission but when I visited the Dales with Tomo I was in awe of the vast numbers and I can say without a hint of embarrassment that i called it quits for my tyke whilst Tomos bitch was still filling the game bag. I have no doubt the spirit was willing but I knew he just didn't have the stamina and i'm not going to injure my dog for the sake of a few more runs. If I was running an area like the dales or other rabbit infested areas I would put stamina high of the list of desired attributes but as I rarely venture into such lagamorph ridden nirvana's it has never been as issue. alf a mile away this point is reached h Does stamina play a role in your desired rabbiting dogs genetic make up? And I mean physical stamina, not mental stamina which I think is very different. not an answer to your question but mental stamina without physical stamina is a recipe for disaster is that not where the handler should step in, like simoman said " I have no doubt the spirit was willing but I knew he just didn't have the stamina and i'm not going to injure my dog for the sake of a few more runs." but what if this point is reached half a mile away from you ? i was under the impression we were talking about lamping bunnies, or am i feckin wrong again 1 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 socks the same way she new there was one in there in the first place, the same way she would crown the old hob on a kill, sometimes 20 yards into a field 3ft down, the same way she new i was on my way home from work even though i worked 20 mile away. hearing is but one sense The reason she knew there was one in there is because the warren smelt of rabbits ...The reason she knew the hob had killed out in the field is because she could hear it mate .... The dog doesn't walk around over the warren smelling through the ground to locate the rabbit ... It does it through listening ........... what about terriers what try holes ,............they ignore most of them on big places and then always enter the one and find straight away........surely must be the same for lurchers? ( when there marking big warrens )I personally think its a combination of sound and smell I am not talking about the initial mark I am talking about a warren with multiple holes and the ferrets are moving the rabbits around and the dog is waiting for the bolt and pinpoints the exact hole its coming out of ........... Quote Link to post
rob284 1,682 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Just wondered if stamina is an important ingredient in your rabbiting dog's? I'm not talking about hare dogs, just bunnies. Personally i'm lucky if my dogs run a dozen in a night before i'm off home, we just don't have big numbers on my permission but when I visited the Dales with Tomo I was in awe of the vast numbers and I can say without a hint of embarrassment that i called it quits for my tyke whilst Tomos bitch was still filling the game bag. I have no doubt the spirit was willing but I knew he just didn't have the stamina and i'm not going to injure my dog for the sake of a few more runs. If I was running an area like the dales or other rabbit infested areas I would put stamina high of the list of desired attributes but as I rarely venture into such lagamorph ridden nirvana's it has never been as issue. Does stamina play a role in your desired rabbiting dogs genetic make up? And I mean physical stamina, not mental stamina which I think is very different. not an answer to your question but mental stamina without physical stamina is a recipe for disaster But is it Paul? What about a ferreting dog that needs mental stamina to concentrate on a warren for extended periods of time but may not be required to use physical stamina as there may not be many bolters that aren't caught in the nets? thats concentration i would say mental stamina without physical stamina can take a dog past it limitsmental stamina is just drive really. And stamina is how long the body can last Quote Link to post
Simoman 110 Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Personally I wouldn't say mental concentration is drive. I have owned drive focused dogs of various breeds, but not all dogs with drive had concentration...... Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 socks the same way she new there was one in there in the first place, the same way she would crown the old hob on a kill, sometimes 20 yards into a field 3ft down, the same way she new i was on my way home from work even though i worked 20 mile away. hearing is but one sense The reason she knew there was one in there is because the warren smelt of rabbits ...The reason she knew the hob had killed out in the field is because she could hear it mate .... The dog doesn't walk around over the warren smelling through the ground to locate the rabbit ... It does it through listening ........... what about terriers what try holes ,............they ignore most of them on big places and then always enter the one and find straight away........surely must be the same for lurchers? ( when there marking big warrens )I personally think its a combination of sound and smell I am not talking about the initial mark I am talking about a warren with multiple holes and the ferrets are moving the rabbits around and the dog is waiting for the bolt and pinpoints the exact hole its coming out of ........... ive caught millions of rabbits from johno groats to lands end and your telling me that when bolting rabbits with a pug that a dog only realies on sound,...........sound and scent are combined and maybe the initial sound may tell the dog where the action is but the stronger the scent will confirm what is coming..........you must remember its my job ,.....a way of life ........this aint fun no more ,.........if I fail I don't eat Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 socks the same way she new there was one in there in the first place, the same way she would crown the old hob on a kill, sometimes 20 yards into a field 3ft down, the same way she new i was on my way home from work even though i worked 20 mile away. hearing is but one sense The reason she knew there was one in there is because the warren smelt of rabbits ...The reason she knew the hob had killed out in the field is because she could hear it mate .... The dog doesn't walk around over the warren smelling through the ground to locate the rabbit ... It does it through listening ........... what about terriers what try holes ,............they ignore most of them on big places and then always enter the one and find straight away........surely must be the same for lurchers? ( when there marking big warrens )I personally think its a combination of sound and smell I am not talking about the initial mark I am talking about a warren with multiple holes and the ferrets are moving the rabbits around and the dog is waiting for the bolt and pinpoints the exact hole its coming out of ........... ive caught millions of rabbits from johno groats to lands end and your telling me that when bolting rabbits with a pug that a dog only realies on sound,...........sound and scent are combined and maybe the initial sound may tell the dog where the action is but the stronger the scent will confirm what is coming..........you must remember its my job ,.....a way of life ........this aint fun no more ,.........if I fail I don't eat :laugh: ............. Quote Link to post
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