no land owner said yeh?

[COMPO 54]

Where do you live lad? someone on here may be able to take you out with them?

 

 

I use letters, a carefully worded and to the point letter with your name address and phone numbers on , take that with you if they say no leave them a letter, if there is no one in leave a letter anyway. dont just chase the big landowners, try to think outside the box not just farmers, golf courses,nurseries (plant not little kids) and horse owners/livery stable.

 

I have a few bits of permission and a fair few of them are equestrian places, plus smallholdings and smaller farms etc...once you have 1 piece do it well and responsibly, adhere to any rules they give and the permission will grow as you ask the neighbours, i am ferreting so and so's land and want to ferret the boundary, i will be setting nets on your side of the hedge etc....

 

good luck!

[jacob 28]

and wow they are rude i was just trying to do them a favor

 

Rude?

 

What is rude about not letting a complete stranger onto your land?

 

Would you give someone you have never met before carte blanche to kill animals on your land, remembering that these farmers may have already been 'burnt' by someone else in the past who poached, or lacked any respect?

 

If you go about this the correct way, print off some business cards, create a letterhead and print off some letters with your name and address, with perhaps a copy of a reference then post these out. Remembering to run it through a spell check first.

 

Treat it like a business, dress smart. I don't mean a suit and tie! But look the part, be polite, understanding and make sure you ooze professionalism.

 

At the same time as your face to face meetings, offer your services to the land owner. Do they need beaters if they are an estate. Can you help out during harvest. Would they like to you clean the yard, doesn't matter what it is, just be prepared to work to earn their trust.

 

Then you will start to get results.

 

 

/Mad

or you could offer them a sexual favour, or failing that ,just get on with it

[woodchip 2]

i managed to land myself a 1000 acre farm it is one of the hardest farms to get speaking to his son about 10 people a week ask for permission im a carpenter and i offerd my services i have put up a small celing for him 3 hrs work and ive had 4 visits a week 3 hrs a time so im happy try saying if they need a hand your willing to help him out farmers love free labour and its a way to meet other people throught the farmer you need to look at it from there point of view . them letting you ferret on there land is a privalidge so bend over backwards for the first farm and youre soon get a reputation throught the farmer .

[Guest The Big Fish]

im a carpenter

 

you need to calibrate your tape measure

[Madcowz 0]

or you could offer them a sexual favour, or failing that ,just get on with it

 

 

Interesting,

 

do you not feel that this type of attitude just makes it harder for those who are willing to take the time to get permission the right way, and I'm not talking sexual favours! . Or is this just not an issue?

 

I'm not spoiling for a fight or flame war or anything. Just interested to hear, from others as well if they just poach if they can't get permission.

 

What is the general consensus here guys? If someone won't give it to you just take it anyway?

 

thanks,

 

 

/Mad

[gibby 0]

I have been accepted on land a lot more times than I have been declined. I cant even remember being declined for that matter. This is how I do it:

 

Either me or my mums partner (who is kinda my hunting partner a lot of the time) go to the door and say something to the effect of, "are you the landowner here, only I noticed when passing by there are a load of rabbits here. Would you like us to come ferreting/hawking/shooting/whatever and see if we cant get rid of them for you" Sometimes we get asked to text them before we go in case they are moving beasts or something but usually the reply is "come by whenevr you like".

 

f**k offering days worth of labour for free just to get a few rabbits. After all the way I see it Im doing them a favour by offering free pest control. If they asked me however I would probably do it but Im not about to go to someones door and say "If I muck out your horses will you let me catch your rabbits".

 

And if I didnt have permission I would just go wherever I thought I wouldnt get caught.

[woodchip 2]

I have been accepted on land a lot more times than I have been declined. I cant even remember being declined for that matter. This is how I do it:

 

Either me or my mums partner (who is kinda my hunting partner a lot of the time) go to the door and say something to the effect of, "are you the landowner here, only I noticed when passing by there are a load of rabbits here. Would you like us to come ferreting/hawking/shooting/whatever and see if we cant get rid of them for you" Sometimes we get asked to text them before we go in case they are moving beasts or something but usually the reply is "come by whenevr you like".

 

f**k offering days worth of labour for free just to get a few rabbits. After all the way I see it Im doing them a favour by offering free pest control. If they asked me however I would probably do it but Im not about to go to someones door and say "If I muck out your horses will you let me catch your rabbits".

 

And if I didnt have permission I would just go wherever I thought I wouldnt get caught.

 

 

that comment is the main reason its so hard to get land poachers ruin it for us all..

[woodchip 2]

im a carpenter

 

you need to calibrate your tape measure

 

nothing wrong with my tape measure its you [-------------------------------------------------------------] this is 12" isnt it ?????

[Guest JDF]

or you could offer them a sexual favour, or failing that ,just get on with it

 

 

Interesting,

 

do you not feel that this type of attitude just makes it harder for those who are willing to take the time to get permission the right way, and I'm not talking sexual favours! . Or is this just not an issue?

 

I'm not spoiling for a fight or flame war or anything. Just interested to hear, from others as well if they just poach if they can't get permission.

 

What is the general consensus here guys? If someone won't give it to you just take it anyway?

 

thanks,

 

 

/Mad

 

in all honesty i've never had a problem getting permission(maybe things are different here in N. Ireland) but if i couldn't get it i would poach,i mean what's the alternative,it's all very noble resolutely seeking permission but while that's going on your animals aren't getting worked,i'd rather sneak around than not work or keep ferrets.

[Hob&Jill 258]

or you could offer them a sexual favour, or failing that ,just get on with it

 

 

Interesting,

 

do you not feel that this type of attitude just makes it harder for those who are willing to take the time to get permission the right way, and I'm not talking sexual favours! . Or is this just not an issue?

 

I'm not spoiling for a fight or flame war or anything. Just interested to hear, from others as well if they just poach if they can't get permission.

 

What is the general consensus here guys? If someone won't give it to you just take it anyway?

 

thanks,

 

 

/Mad

For me, geting permission is ALOT harder than most as im 16, nearly 17. Not many farmers are going to even think twice about giving me permission.

 

I have some 'semi permission' but its not very official or known about. I could do with getting it wrote down and some boundrys given to me.

 

I dont like poaching, but when I have the ferrets who havent been out for a couple of weeks and a young dog that needs guiding and training with ferreting, I dont really have much choice.

 

I dont have a romantic type of view of 'poaching' the lone poacher and all that non sense But like I said, I cant wait a year or so for permission as it woulnt be fair on the ferrets or dogs.

 

Saying all that, I have actually just got 3 pieces of small horse livery land by emailing round. They are quite far away though. Hopefully I will be able to get to them abit though.

 

All the best,

 

H&J

Edited August 18, 2007 by Hob&Jill

[markieboi 0]

hi lads sorry didnt reply sooner i got banned for some reason(if someone could tell me why that would be nice) i have got a pretty large farm i have permission on now which im pleased about everyone starts somewhere thanks for your replys mark

[gibby 0]

I have been accepted on land a lot more times than I have been declined. I cant even remember being declined for that matter. This is how I do it:

 

Either me or my mums partner (who is kinda my hunting partner a lot of the time) go to the door and say something to the effect of, "are you the landowner here, only I noticed when passing by there are a load of rabbits here. Would you like us to come ferreting/hawking/shooting/whatever and see if we cant get rid of them for you" Sometimes we get asked to text them before we go in case they are moving beasts or something but usually the reply is "come by whenevr you like".

 

f**k offering days worth of labour for free just to get a few rabbits. After all the way I see it Im doing them a favour by offering free pest control. If they asked me however I would probably do it but Im not about to go to someones door and say "If I muck out your horses will you let me catch your rabbits".

 

And if I didnt have permission I would just go wherever I thought I wouldnt get caught.

 

 

that comment is the main reason its so hard to get land poachers ruin it for us all..

 

Nonsense. First of all I said that I do have permission and I did that the right way by asking, But if I didnt have permission I would poach yes. Ive got ferrets to feed, and more importantly allow them to do there job.

 

Poaching does not ruin it for us all. People who take the piss are the ones who ruin it for us all.

Half the time no-one need even know someone has been on there land. Leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but rabbits you could say.

[JCF1 1]

.I've got land on a 1500 acre farm about 10mins walk from me , plus a 600 acre pheasant shoot/equestrian centre, that plus a racecourse, polo club, and two other smaller farms around the 2-300 acre mark.

 

The first shoot I got when I moved back to Somerset was a very big fruit farm - I looked up all the fruit farms (golf courses are another good one) in the yellow pages, and rang around. Got my first interest at the shoot down the road and offered to pop down to meet them first. I drew up a covering letter and permission slip that described the methods I will use and the insurance I have (with BASC), along with some phone numbers which they can contact me on. I made sure it mentioned that all responsibility for the very unlikely damage to crops or property would be mine, that I would only shoot species on the DEFRA general license (ie pests) and that I am fully insured.

 

Basically you should always look keen, reliable, experienced and sensible. Farmers want someone who will do the job week in week out, and who will be respectful of livestock, crops etc. This doesn't usually mean any old herbert who comes up to the door with a hope, a prayer and a ferret.

 

Then I serviced that shoot reliably and respectfully for over a year and demolished the rabbit population. This lead to reccomendations, introductions and offers of more land to shoot over.

 

And don't turn up at tea-time.

Edited January 4, 2008 by JCF1